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Religious Tolerance

Earlier today while I was moping around completely bored, waiting for my dad to return home so I could get on the computer, I ran into a site called religioustolerance.org.

It is, of course, as the title and website would suggest, about religious tolerance. I've only briefly read only those bits especially interesting to me, but I guess the entire site is a pretty good resource over all. It's got a ton of information on a bunch of religions.

So now that I've made a topic about religion, let's see if we can peacefully discuss the pros and cons of religion and things dealing with religion while -- gasp! -- being tolerant of others. But first, some rules since knowing you all I have to define what being tolerant is:

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1. Please do not hate on any religion. Period. This means, do not say that all atheists are nasty scum and are going to burn in hell. This also means don't say that all christians are the scum of the earth. (Why is my spell check saying to capitalize christians but not atheists? I'm staying consistent here.) It is okay to say that you believe all atheists are going to burn in hell for being atheists but please do not state this as absolute truth. Use words carefully.

2. Let's not debate on what is the best religious view. (for we all know that being atheist is best -- and actually, I'm joking. That's against rule number one AND two. Let's not be subtly sarcastic either because that will not end well.) Also, don't say that x religion is the one true religion as a definite thing.

3. Tread lightly on the topics of sexuality, ethics, and morals.

4. Also, you know, follow the normal forum rules. No flaming.

5. It's okay to step down when you said something that started a huge riot. No one's going to look down on you for it and it is in fact encouraged.

6. Don't be militant and don't try to convert anyone. And don't be condescending.

7. Read the rules.

8. Don't say anything is definite truth. Nothing is black and white. Fun fact, that includes this text. It's a very light gray.
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Pretty much, some discussion starters:

1, What are the pros and cons of religion in general?

2, What is the ideal religion? (Basically, how could (a) religion be improved? Remember that this is strictly your personal belief and that there are downsides to all religions)

I'll post my beliefs when someone else posts because this OP is too long and I don't feel like double posting.

Also, can we please avoid giving anyone reps in this topic, whether it be + or -?

Last edited by Zoey2070 (Nov 24 2012 7:15:25 pm)

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killingpepper123

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Re: Religious Tolerance

Ok, so I believe that:

PROs

-Religions (all of them) have no pros.

-CONs

1. Religions were created by men that were too lazy to find good explanations to weird things.
2. They were also created by men to give themselves power. Ex.: Back in the times, if a man was wise enought, he could've said "I'm hearing voices while I'm sleeping!" Than everybody would give him absolute power.
3. Relisions aren't tolerant.

Again, I BELIEVE what I stated, it's not the absolute truth.

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AzurePudding

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Re: Religious Tolerance

I am an athiest.   Science has proven the bible wrong time after time.  

The bible states that all gay people should be put to death.

The bible refers to women as a second class of people, below men.

The book of mormon states that black people are cursed with dark skin for being followers of satan.

The other day on the news I heard about a woman in desperate need of an abortion but it was against the law for her to get one.   Her doctor said she would have a natural miscarriage.   She had a miscarriage and bled to death.   This was a religious law.

Not only does science prove religions are false, but religions also promote homophobia, sexism, and racism.   Especially with the abortion case I just stated, this sounds immoral, which is the opposite of what religion aims for.

I do, however, hope for some kind of afterlife, as dying and just being deleted from the universe sounds so depressing.   Science, at least for now, can't disprove that.   But nearly everything else can be.  

It's hard for me to respect religions when they promote so many things I am against, such as homophobia.   If they believed in a god, sure, I can accept that even if I don't believe in that, but the racism, sexism, and homophobia, and all that other jazz, I cannot respect.   If we're all children of god, then why do we try to put fellow children of god below ourselves?   It's contradictory.   Religion teaches to love everyone for who they are.. with a few exceptions of course!

Arceus64

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Re: Religious Tolerance

Alright then.

To answer question 1:

Some pros of religion are possibly turning to something when your happy, tired, distressed, etc. (in both a good or bad way [thanking your religion when you're happy, cursing it when someone you loved had passed]).*

Another is possibly trying to believe in an afterlife/heaven (thinking "Hey, I just did someone a favor. Maybe I'll be closer to becoming accepted into heaven/having a good afterlife".) BTW, saying that IMO sounds kind of self-righteous, but I'll let it pass.

Some cons can be you may feel bad when you do something not right/know you did something not right, since maybe you think there is an afterlife and you are screwing up your chances of getting there happily.

Also for some people, it could put pressure on them to do what is ordered to serve their religion (although that might not be either a good or bad thing).

Anyways, I suppose that is all for now.

* = Wow, I finally used brackets inside of brackets for the very first time on this forum!

krubby

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Re: Religious Tolerance

Ok, so I believe that:

PROs

-Religions (all of them) have no pros.

-CONs

1. Religions were created by men that were too lazy to find good explanations to weird things.
2. They were also created by men to give themselves power. Ex.: Back in the times, if a man was wise enought, he could've said "I'm hearing voices while I'm sleeping!" Than everybody would give him absolute power.
3. Relisions aren't tolerant.

Again, I BELIEVE what I stated, it's not the absolute truth.

Once again the atheistic chumps think that Christianity is the only religion, and the extremist fundamentalist beliefs are the only form of Christianity.

What about Sikhism? 500 years ago it's founder created the religion and stated that all people should be equal, including women. He also said that it's important that everyone be allowed to worship their own religion, and disallowed blind and random beliefs and rituals in his own churches to prevent extremism. The religion believes in God, but focuses on how you live, mainly being a good and caring person.

How is there a single way that this is not good for society? One of their tenets is even "God cannot take human form" so that no one can call themself a grand messiah with full power over the religion.

Zoey2070

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Re: Religious Tolerance

I do, however, hope for some kind of afterlife, as dying and just being deleted from the universe sounds so depressing.   Science, at least for now, can't disprove that.   But nearly everything else can be.  

It's hard for me to respect religions when they promote so many things I am against, such as homophobia.   If they believed in a god, sure, I can accept that even if I don't believe in that, but the racism, sexism, and homophobia, and all that other jazz, I cannot respect.   If we're all children of god, then why do we try to put fellow children of god below ourselves?   It's contradictory.   Religion teaches to love everyone for who they are.. with a few exceptions of course!

I agree with the first quoted paragraph completely. However, I think respect and tolerance sort of go hand in hand but are not synonymous. I respect their beliefs despite not respecting the beliefs themselves (does that make sense? I respect that it's what they believe in but still disagree with it), but I am still tolerant of their beliefs even though... maybe it would be okay not to be, considering it's against my morals and pretty much basically wrong? Wow, I think I just confused myself there. My point is, I wouldn't hate them for being homophobic or something similar unless they are constantly spouting out how wrong it is and being a bigot about it, even though that's something I feel strongly about. We'd have disagreeing beliefs and that's okay. (And that last sentence pretty much sums up the entire purpose of this topic.)

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AzurePudding

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Re: Religious Tolerance

Ok, so I believe that:

PROs

-Religions (all of them) have no pros.

-CONs

1. Religions were created by men that were too lazy to find good explanations to weird things.
2. They were also created by men to give themselves power. Ex.: Back in the times, if a man was wise enought, he could've said "I'm hearing voices while I'm sleeping!" Than everybody would give him absolute power.
3. Relisions aren't tolerant.

Again, I BELIEVE what I stated, it's not the absolute truth.

Once again the atheistic chumps think that Christianity is the only religion, and the extremist fundamentalist beliefs are the only form of Christianity.

What about Sikhism? 500 years ago it's founder created the religion and stated that all people should be equal, including women. He also said that it's important that everyone be allowed to worship their own religion, and disallowed blind and random beliefs and rituals in his own churches to prevent extremism. The religion believes in God, but focuses on how you live, mainly being a good and caring person.

How is there a single way that this is not good for society? One of their tenets is even "God cannot take human form" so that no one can call themself a grand messiah with full power over the religion.

We often discuss the mroe common religions, the ones we have to deal with every day with other people.   From what you've said, I would not disrespect that religion, but I feel like I need to learn more of it before deciding that.

However where I live there are mostly mormon.   Most of my family is mormon.   So when talking about religion, that's the one I can best relate to and explain why I'm not a believer.

Oh, and don't refer to us as all the same, because not athiests are the same, as well as how not all religions are the same, and how each member of each religion are not the same.   Don't group us together as one unit like that.

I do, however, hope for some kind of afterlife, as dying and just being deleted from the universe sounds so depressing.   Science, at least for now, can't disprove that.   But nearly everything else can be.  

It's hard for me to respect religions when they promote so many things I am against, such as homophobia.   If they believed in a god, sure, I can accept that even if I don't believe in that, but the racism, sexism, and homophobia, and all that other jazz, I cannot respect.   If we're all children of god, then why do we try to put fellow children of god below ourselves?   It's contradictory.   Religion teaches to love everyone for who they are.. with a few exceptions of course!

I agree with the first quoted paragraph completely. However, I think respect and tolerance sort of go hand in hand but are not synonymous. I respect their beliefs despite not respecting the beliefs themselves (does that make sense? I respect that it's what they believe in but still disagree with it), but I am still tolerant of their beliefs even though... maybe it would be okay not to be, considering it's against my morals and pretty much basically wrong? Wow, I think I just confused myself there. My point is, I wouldn't hate them for being homophobic or something similar unless they are constantly spouting out how wrong it is and being a bigot about it, even though that's something I feel strongly about. We'd have disagreeing beliefs and that's okay. (And that last sentence pretty much sums up the entire purpose of this topic.)

But their religion states that gay people should be put to death.   There is a difference between thinking homophobia is wrong and thinking that you should be put to death for being gay.   Of course, if you ask any modern day christian if they think a homosexual should be murdered on the spot, that they would disagree.   I don't understand the pick-and-choosing of religion.   If you believe part of it, then you're not a believer in the faith.   Of course, I'd rather people think against hte killing, but I just don't understand how you can pick-and-choose from your religion.   If you disagree with part of your religion, you could argue that all of it is wrong, too.

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krubby

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Re: Religious Tolerance

I meant "chumps that are atheist", not "atheists and therefore chumps"

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soccerfreak006

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Re: Religious Tolerance

I understand that people are other religions, and I respect that. I have to agree, with Krubby (at some points). Like how he said that people attack christianity, more than most religions. Here are my pros and cons

                                                                                                                   Pros:
                                                                                                 Brings moral into some situation
                                                                                                 Sets basic rules
                                                                                                 Bible does actually have historical records
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                 Cons:
                                                                                        Some religions teach hate
                                                                                        Besides ^ none.

JadElClemens

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Re: Religious Tolerance

Just to clarify, this isn't a place to bash other religions (or religion at all). Discussion only, please.

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Toby

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Long post ahead on a light-hearted forum about a video game. Don't know why on earth I'm posting this...

Religion was good for explaining things which we knew nothing about a very long time ago. I think it's filler for the time between when a species can think and before they can properly figure everything out - if we ever encounter aliens or something like that, I guarantee at some point they will have had / will still have religions too.

It's good for telling large amounts of people how to live too when you have no realistic way of policing them all too. The Bible has been changed several times to merge religions/groups and bend the population a certain way (hence why Christmas is on a pagan holiday, why divorce is now acceptable) - but it's not needed anymore in modern society imo...

Religion also makes politics of non-secular countries (the US) hilarious to watch. Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnel, god it's so good. It's almost self-parodying.

As long as they're not arguing against scientific fact, I'm completely fine with religious people though. They just need to keep it as just a belief and not try to impose it on anyone else. Most atheists seem to go through an 'edgy' teenage phase though where they decide that all religious people are morons who somehow agree with genocide and the like because it's in the bible somewhere. Surprise, They're not.

I understand that people are other religions, and I respect that. I have to agree, with Krubby (at some points). Like how he said that people attack Christianity, more than most religions. Here are my pros and cons
Pros:
Brings moral into some situation, Sets basic rules,   Bible does actually have historical records                                                                                                  
Cons:
Some religions teach hate, Besides ^ none.

Uh, no. There were morals long before religion was about. Other species don't all kill one-another and all the ones about adultery and property are going to be present in ANY primitive society regardless of religion being there. Most of the ten commandments are really irrelevant things (respect your parents, adultery) compared to the stuff that isn't in there. So many of the crimes we consider the worst today aren't present at all. In The Bible horrible things we consider crimes today are encouraged by God; the only reason people say their scriptures teach morality is because people pick and choose what to sample from it - depending on the morals of the current population. The morals of the time dictate what the bible teaches, not the other way around.

How can you say there are no other downsides? Have you ever heard of The Salem Witch Trials? The Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? The 9/11 Attacks? Countless genocides / mass-murders / sacrafices? Evolution STILL being equated to ID in really religiously-run countries like the US? Really? Nothing?

Just to clarify, this isn't a place to bash other religions (or religion at all). Discussion only, please.

No-one has "bashed" religion in this thread. Like anything, it's completely up for criticism - especially considering how much influence religion has.

"You have a right to your belief; I have a right to the belief that your belief is stupid"

Oh, also some religions generate a lot of hateful people, which is sad. Religion significantly slowed down the African-American Civil Rights Movement and is still slowing down the LGBT Rights Movements.
@Krubby, people argue about what they know about - generally the Abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism). But you are right, you can't paint all religions with such a broad brush (though I'm generally against people not critically thinking anyway, which goes against all religions).

Anyway, this is too long a post for me to be typing at 4am. Forgive me if it made no sense at all.

soccerfreak006

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uh, no. There were morals long before religion was about. Other species don't all kill one-another and all the ones about adultery and property are going to be present in ANY primitive society regardless of religion being there. Most of the ten commandments are really irrelevant things (respect your parents, adultery) compared to the stuff that isn't in there. So many of the crimes we consider the worst today aren't present at all. In The Bible horrible things we consider crimes today are encouraged by God; the only reason people say their scriptures teach morality is because people pick and choose what to sample from it - depending on the morals of the current population. The morals of the time dictate what the bible teaches, not the other way around.

How can you say there are no other downsides? Have you ever heard of The Salem Witch Trials? The Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? The 9/11 Attacks? Countless genocides / mass-murders / sacrafices? Evolution STILL being equated to ID in really religiously-run countries like the US? Really? Nothing?

There were basic morals before religious books, but religious books did add some important ones. Some of these were based off of hate actually, like I said. Salem with trials were in christianity, a love religion. But then, the pilgrims were independent religion of christianity, puritans. They thought that God hated them, and that their live was supposed to be love-less. The crusades, I haven't studied that yet (still in middle school) so idk. I don't understand human sacrifices, by old religions. Christianity ended sacrifices, and they were animal sacrifices. Evolution being taught in school, and religion not being taught in most schools, can be offensive. The US isn't that religious at all anymore. People will claim to be of one religion, but they will barely believe it.

The reason why people don't like LGBT stuff, is because it is taught as immoral. They don't hate the people, they just don't like their actions.

Last edited by soccerfreak006 (Nov 25 2012 10:30:39 am)

Zoey2070

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Re: Religious Tolerance

WHAT HATH I WROUGHT?

I've read all of these posts so far but I'm not going to do some massive reply thing at the moment because all the individual quoting would take up too much room, so here's my beliefs:
(There are, of course, exceptions to all of these, much to my dismay/pleasure and I'm basing most of it on Christianity because that is the religion I am most familiar with even though I'm not familiar with it at all)

Pros:
- Can teach people to be tolerant (Some christians, for example. There's extremes on both sides, however)
- Gives people something to strive for (like going to heaven or something)
- Comforting (for the most part, because you've got some...thing? watching over you)

Cons:
- Extremists/intolerance
- Religious wars
- Can cause a lot of hate

All religions have pros and cons.

My ideal religion would be one that encourages equality and free-thought but doesn't necessarily worship a god. Does that make sense? Religious Agnostic/Atheist/Nontheist? You know, like Buddism and Taoism. Is it obvious that I really have no idea what I'm talking about? Like I know a few christians (well almost everyone I know is a christian because I live in america and they are an overwhelming majority here) that aren't hateful and it's just like. Yes. You are good. I like you.
I've been looking into Wicca these past 3 days and it sort of seems like a decent religion and I might convert to it once I look into it some more.

But yes, good job on not getting into another holy war guys, keep it up.

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soccerfreak006

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WHAT HATH I WROUGHT?

I've read all of these posts so far but I'm not going to do some massive reply thing at the moment because all the individual quoting would take up too much room, so here's my beliefs:
(There are, of course, exceptions to all of these, much to my dismay/pleasure and I'm basing most of it on Christianity because that is the religion I am most familiar with even though I'm not familiar with it at all)

Pros:
- Can teach people to be tolerant (Some christians, for example. There's extremes on both sides, however)
- Gives people something to strive for (like going to heaven or something)
- Comforting (for the most part, because you've got some...thing? watching over you)

Cons:
- Extremists/intolerance
- Religious wars
- Can cause a lot of hate

All religions have pros and cons.

My ideal religion would be one that encourages equality and free-thought but doesn't necessarily worship a god. Does that make sense? Religious Agnostic/Atheist/Nontheist? You know, like Buddism and Taoism. Is it obvious that I really have no idea what I'm talking about? Like I know a few christians (well almost everyone I know is a christian because I live in america and they are an overwhelming majority here) that aren't hateful and it's just like. Yes. You are good. I like you.
I've been looking into Wicca these past 3 days and it sort of seems like a decent religion and I might convert to it once I look into it some more.

But yes, good job on not getting into another holy war guys, keep it up.

I have to agree with your cons. An example of Religious wars (not trying to bash at all(. Sunni's and Shiites. They are both part of islam, but they absolutely hate each other.

ILoveBacon

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I find the way some religions view equality a bit weird. For example, in Christianity bishop's can't be female, yet in the Bible it states that everyone is equal. It seems to me most religions follow the same pattern and strictly believe in equality but have a couple of flaws. But I wouldn't really know being as I'm not that interested in religion.
Also, governmentally (<Really big word 1smile1 ) related how come education and schooling has to be supportive of your religion (here, anyway) yet where I live the only school holiday's you get are all based around Christian celebrations. Christmas and Easter, for example. Other, religion's holiday's are neglected. Shouldn't we also get Diwali and Ramadan off (I'm not good with religious celebrations, sorry if I get them wrong)?

Also, Zoey

1. Please do not hate on any religion. Period. This means, do not say that all atheists are nasty scum and are going to burn in hell. This also means don't say that all christians are the scum of the earth. (Why is my spell check saying to capitalize christians but not atheists? I'm staying consistent here.) It is okay to say that you believe all atheists are going to burn in hell for being atheists but please do not state this as absolute truth. Use words carefully.

I HATE THE AFTERLIFE I HATE THE AFTERLIFE I HATE THE AFTERLIFE I HATE THE AFTERLIFE

It seems you're putting hate on any religion that believes in an afterlife. Although thats just your sig and not in the actual topic itself.
Finally, can I just say that I took time on this post in a debating thread, and I'm really proud of myself for being bothered to post this.

Ratburntro44

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Also, governmentally (<Really big word 1smile1 ) related how come education and schooling has to be supportive of your religion (here, anyway) yet where I live the only school holiday's you get are all based around Christian celebrations. Christmas and Easter, for example. Other, religion's holiday's are neglected. Shouldn't we also get Diwali and Ramadan off (I'm not good with religious celebrations, sorry if I get them wrong)?

I don't support religion in government, but it is perfectly logical to give off the periods of time where the largest groups of people would take off anyways.

Btw, Easter is a Sunday, wouldn't that already be off?

soccerfreak006

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However, some people like atheists, twist the meaning of christmas or easter. For christmas, they use santa usually. Easter, easter bunny. Christianity doesn't have a bishop, I don't think. That is Cathlocism

Toby

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There were basic morals before religious books, but religious books did add some important ones.

Wrong. Name a single one that isn't based on false prophets or some other pure religious motive.

Some of these were based off of hate actually, like I said. Salem with trials were in christianity, a love religion. But then, the pilgrims were independent religion of christianity, puritans. They thought that God hated them, and that their live was supposed to be love-less. The crusades, I haven't studied that yet (still in middle school) so idk. I don't understand human sacrifices, by old religions.

The bible has human sacrifice in it and God gets Abraham to a point where he is willing to kill his own son. In stories about Sodom and Gomorrah a man offers his two daughters to a crowd of people to be raped to stop the people from raping some angels.

I'd say you're picking and choosing from the bible, but I'm pretty certain you've never actually read it. You seem quite young so I'm assuming you've not ever questioned what you've been taught by your parents, which is fine. But don't try to argue against people when you have no points to raise...

Christianity ended sacrifices, and they were animal sacrifices. Evolution being taught in school, and religion not being taught in most schools, can be offensive. The US isn't that religious at all anymore. People will claim to be of one religion, but they will barely believe it.

Religion should only be studied in schools, students shouldn't be taught it as fact - as per   your country's first amendment. Evolution is not some crazy story, there is evidence for it. It's a scientific theory as much as Newton's theory of gravitation and the theory of relativity. Do you not believe in gravity either? Is God holding us all down? Scientific theories are not the same as random ideas religious people came up with but have no evidence for (""""Theory"""" of Intelligent Design).

The reason why people don't like LGBT stuff, is because it is taught as immoral. They don't hate the people, they just don't like their actions.

If you're raised by your parents to think a certain group of people are amoral because of things they do which don't affect you whatsoever then those parents are pretty bad in my opinion. What happens if their child turns out to be gay? They'll have been raised thinking all these feeling they're having are completely unnatural and sinful.

There's a reason teen suicides for gay kids is so high and religion is completely the driving force behind it. It's inexcusable.

krubby

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Zoey's sig is just quote some dumb webcomic, don't worry.

Arceus64

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Some of these were based off of hate actually, like I said. Salem with trials were in christianity, a love religion. But then, the pilgrims were independent religion of christianity, puritans. They thought that God hated them, and that their live was supposed to be love-less. The crusades, I haven't studied that yet (still in middle school) so idk. I don't understand human sacrifices, by old religions.

The bible has human sacrifice in it and God gets Abraham to a point where he is willing to kill his own son.

He (God) does it to test Abram (as he was called then) about his obedience for his religion. He stops him from killing Isaac (the son), and instead had a ram sacrificed. I don't think the bible really endorsed the killing of his or any sons (however, the Passover is a different story).

Zoey2070

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Re: Religious Tolerance

Also, Zoey

1. Please do not hate on any religion. Period. This means, do not say that all atheists are nasty scum and are going to burn in hell. This also means don't say that all christians are the scum of the earth. (Why is my spell check saying to capitalize christians but not atheists? I'm staying consistent here.) It is okay to say that you believe all atheists are going to burn in hell for being atheists but please do not state this as absolute truth. Use words carefully.

I HATE THE AFTERLIFE I HATE THE AFTERLIFE I HATE THE AFTERLIFE I HATE THE AFTERLIFE

It seems you're putting hate on any religion that believes in an afterlife. Although thats just your sig and not in the actual topic itself.

Finally, can I just say that I took time on this post in a debating thread, and I'm really proud of myself for being bothered to post this.

Zoey's sig is just quote some dumb webcomic, don't worry.

it is not stupid.

I never said signatures were supposed to be taken seriously, but I can see where this can be misconstrued.

image of the quote source of image It's one of my favorite updates.

I'd probably reply more but I've got places to be for once.

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soccerfreak006

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toby, you did say that there is evidence for evolution, but there is a ton of evidence against it. Schools never teach what is against evolution, only what is for it. arceus64 was right about the abram (abraham) and isaac.

toby: Bestiality, super immoral. oh, i've read the bible, you probably haven't read it. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were sinful, and wouldn't change at all. Scientific theories are proven wrong so many times, by creationists. evidence points towards creationism. Atheist scientists usually lose to creationist scientists in debates. oh and btw, newton was christian.

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toby, you did say that there is evidence for evolution, but there is a ton of evidence against it. Schools never teach what is against evolution, only what is for it. arceus64 was right about the abram (abraham) and isaac.

toby: Bestiality, super immoral. oh, i've read the bible, you probably haven't read it. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were sinful, and wouldn't change at all. Scientific theories are proven wrong so many times, by creationists. evidence points towards creationism. Atheist scientists usually lose to creationist scientists in debates. oh and btw, newton was christian.

Sorry Zoey but I just hate it when you have people like this, I was going to post something earlier but I managed to restrain myself, I am normally okay with christians talking about stuff, but when they are trying to go "atheists always lose to christians because they are wrong", and that extra point on the end about newton, I mean what the (restrains self) does that have to with anything, Newton was gravity, ie: had nothing to do with anything. I am not going to mention anything about atheism.

The point in Science is think about what could, science has no definite's because everything in science is a theory, the theory of Gravity is still called the Theory of gravity because there is no way of proving it 100%.

I am not going into these Bible stories but *I had about 5 paragraphs on this but after re-reading them I thought it would be best to take them out of zoey would be very mad*.

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Re: Religious Tolerance

A topic discussing religion... with rules that make it impossible to discuss religion? The only thing your rules don't ban regarding others is agreeing with them.

I don't see this going very far.

Saintcool

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Plus if one person posts their "repent repent for you are going to hell" then the whole topic goes in rage.