Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

27 died, twenty of them children. The gunman is also dead. This is the second deadliest shooting in US history after VT. The gunman was 20-year-old Adam Lanza, a teacher's son. He killed her, along with another relative at their home. He killed himself after his rampage was done. He broke in through a window, and killed the principal and others while the intercom was on. He had been in an altercation with faculty at the school days before; the people involved were killed.

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Zoey2070 · Before February 2015

CNN apparently posted the wrong picture of this Ryan Lanza guy, and now crap's going down for him.
Anyway, incredibly tragic.

edit: changed link + got rid of the second apparently

edit:
it's his brother.
link

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32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

Fox News (ugh) is claiming that the shooter was Ryan Lanza's brother Adam. No confirmation from other reliable sources, though. I doubt it was Adam because he's currently being questioned by police.

EDIT: Don't know which source to believe.
LATE EDIT: It was Adam.

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Zoey2070 · Before February 2015

Hey, look, my 2000th post. **** congrats to me and whatnot.

Anyway, this is absolutely horrible. Worse than Columbine, from what I've read. I think it was Adam because seriously, if Ryan was at work and posted three times it wasn't him, then it probably wasn't him. But you know, people lie. No one can say for sure, because it's been less than 12 hours. We'll just have to wait and see.

Honestly, though, I just want to know why.

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

This is terrible. Terrible.
These are innocent kids whose lives were cut short because of a troubled bast*** (not sure if I'm allowed to say that) who took his rage out on them. This was right before Christmas, where all these kids joys come in one day. They were waiting their entire month buying presents, meeting relatives, and loving each other. And now that is gone. How do you tell your child that their sibling is dead?? Their cousin?? Their school friend?? How are they supposed to handle this kind of tragedy at any time, let alone before the holidays??

The parents and the families, my heart and prayers go out to them. These are the real victims. Your 5 year old child should be safe to go to kindergarten and not murdered by a physcopath.

A little kid is so innocent, teeming with life and joy. One of them being murdered is traumatic. How do you deal with twenty??
And before anyone says so, this does not symbolify America. This could happen anywhere in the world and still be tragic. This does not mean America is a bad place. There are bad people in this world who do this kind of **** up sh*t, but it should not represent any country.
I've already said this, but my hearts and prayers go out to everyone who was affected this by this horror. Please if you can, pray for these people, the teachers, the family members, and the innocent children whose joy of the holidays and smiles of happiness will never come.

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Shift · Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

blerg

The maudlinism is strong with this one.

Now of course this event is terrible, but the majority of your post... just no. I'm not about to tear apart sentiment, though.

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

Shift wrote:

Arceus64 wrote:
blerg
The maudlinism is strong with this one.
Now of course this event is terrible, but the majority of your post... just no. I'm not about to tear apart sentiment, though.

What's wrong with it?

Deetz · Before February 2015

Idiots like the shooter make me sick. Everything about these people is wrong.

Tachyonic · Before February 2015

I'm pretty sure I'm going to be called a heartless s**thead from this but I'm going to say it how it is.

Now don't get me wrong, I think the whole event is horrifying - but mourning over a school shooting isn't going to change the past, is it? This is pretty much a more younger version of 9/11; just not as life-changing.

I don't mind if the victim's relatives burst into tears and sob over the death of their loved ones, because, that's what they're supposed to do. But you lot have no relation to this what-so-ever, and should just move on. This whole tragic story will fade away into the past anyway within the next few years, like 7/7. If you had to click on that link to find out what it is, you've just proven my point. We need to stop all of this whining and let the people who can actually help, do their jobs. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time. It's not like you care that (on average) 108 people die per minute, anyway.

If every death was this viral, we would have absolutely no time to do anything in this world, unless we simply forget; and move on. And that's what I'm trying to get across to everyone.

I hope you understand what I'm portraying.
Thanks for your time.

Before February 2015

Why is every year there an American pyscho who goes on a killing spree and then suicides?
I'd surely love to explode an assassin's head off, but I don't see why you would allow people to buy guns without strict restrictions.

Also, yup sad event. :/

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Echo! · Before February 2015

Gee, I feel so much sorry for these adults, just to their very own children robbed from them before their eyes, they was only 5-11 years old, still so much life left in them, I feel sorry for the parents, and I hope the kids Rest In Peace.
Like many things tragic things in this world, I wonder what was going in the shoots little twisted sick mind.

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

0176 wrote:

I'd surely love to explode an assassin's head off, but I don't see why you would allow people to buy guns without strict restriction.

Strict restricition meaning a check on how this guy had mental issues and should have been reported?

Why are so many people just focusing on "No more guns they kill people"? No, people kill people, people who have mental illness' like this guy should be reported and examined for help. Where was the family to report this? Shouldn't we be focusing more on what causes this stuff to happen rather than blaming guns for everything and trying to move on?

Tako · Before February 2015

The worst part is why this had to take place. No doubt a stupid argument or series of arguments caused the mother to be murdered, and then the heat of the moment killed the rest.

This is one of the many reasons why I don't believe in a free society (ironic given I'm from America, ha). People can be moronic monsters and it is ultimately self-destructive when they run themselves with the most fundamentally corrupted ideals and the desire to be powerful.

GadgetGeek wrote:

Now don't get me wrong, I think the whole event is horrifying - but mourning over a school shooting isn't going to change the past, is it? This is pretty much a more younger version of 9/11; just not as life-changing.

We're not trying to change things; we're just talking about it. Nothing wrong with that, eh?

Garfield2436 · Before February 2015

Horrible, stupid, sad, sorrowful, grave, and it had to happen.

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shaunsred · Before February 2015

This is just awful. I can't begin to imagine what kind of sick person would do this.

Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

0176 wrote:
I'd surely love to explode an assassin's head off, but I don't see why you would allow people to buy guns without strict restriction.
Strict restricition meaning a check on how this guy had mental issues and should have been reported?
Why are so many people just focusing on "No more guns they kill people"? No, people kill people, people who have mental illness' like this guy should be reported and examined for help. Where was the family to report this? Shouldn't we be focusing more on what causes this stuff to happen rather than blaming guns for everything and trying to move on?

By strict restriction I meant making it so only people such as cops and others be allowed to have one. Sure, people are going to buy it in the black market, but being allowed to just buy a gun at a store would make a mental ill's mind more, uh, worse. (and maybe some people are scared of the black market?)

And focusing on "curing" people with those types of mental illness is a solution, but I don't know what to say about that because in my country that doesn't work.

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Arceus64 · Before February 2015

0176 wrote:

Arceus64 wrote:
0176 wrote:
I'd surely love to explode an assassin's head off, but I don't see why you would allow people to buy guns without strict restriction.
Strict restricition meaning a check on how this guy had mental issues and should have been reported?
Why are so many people just focusing on "No more guns they kill people"? No, people kill people, people who have mental illness' like this guy should be reported and examined for help. Where was the family to report this? Shouldn't we be focusing more on what causes this stuff to happen rather than blaming guns for everything and trying to move on?
By strict restriction I meant making it so only people such as cops and others be allowed to have one. Sure, people are going to buy it in the black market, but being allowed to just buy a gun at a store would make a mental ill's mind more, uh, worse. (and maybe some people are scared of the black market?)

Funny you mention that, recently, my home state of Illionis overturned a ban on concealed weapon carry which takes affect in 2013. We were the only state to have a ban like that, and now a lot of people are happy they can bring guns out on the street as a self-defense (since in Chicago there have been 514 murders so far year), but more guns only makes a bigger temptation on these people to use these weapons in a wrong way.

I agree with you about only cops having guns (even though there would be a black market), but what about other weapons such as knives that these people could use? In a shocking coincidence, a China man took a knife to an elementary school and stabbed about 20 kids. No one has died yet, thank goodness, but people in this world have found ways to do these kinds of things with or without guns.

That's why I still think there should be mandatory mental illness checkups for all people. It's better to stop a deranged person from the inside, not the outside.

Nooby92 · Before February 2015

Many of these kid's and parents we're excited for Christmas, Winter Break, New Years, now they can't have it due to one a**hole. Gunlaw's are going to do nothing. People alway's have a different way of getting weapon's.

R.I.P

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

This is what happens when you have a society based around an obsession with guns, and a media that constantly feeds fear into the minds of citizens.

The sad thing is that gun laws are only partly responsible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jGtAcDefHg

Tako · Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

Why are so many people just focusing on "No more guns they kill people"? No, people kill people,

That's a nice saying. Of course people kill people, but it takes two to tango. People only advocate weapon-bans because weapons only open the paradigm of violence and hatred and revenge, and that is something to be forbidden in the hands of the public.

Arceus64 wrote:

people who have mental illness' like this guy should be reported and examined for help. Where was the family to report this? Shouldn't we be focusing more on what causes this stuff to happen rather than blaming guns for everything and trying to move on?

That's awfully presumptive of you. News sources aren't reporting a psychopath like with Aurora.

Instead, I believe he was mistaken. He made the wrong choices in life, and that ultimately warped his morale. That is not a mental illness. A mental illness causes you to act without rational reason; while this is and act of rational reason that is misplaced.

Where was the family? Living a normal life. It is doubtful that they knew his mind and could predict what would happen, especially given that Lanza was withdrawn around people that knew him.

What causes these things? That's over-simplification. Mass-homicide like this is more than likely caused by decades of abuse. Abuse can take form in a plethora of ways and no government will ever be able to "fix" it. It is innate in human nature; more fundamental than any morale you assemble or any lesson you learn. It is deeper than the government can dream of touching, even with such implacable power.

The human race is broken, and this is a consequence. We will blame guns because they are the manifestation of our imperfection and allow humans to further break themselves.

In brief, we don't focus on what causes these things because it cannot be changed, and we want bans on guns because they can be controlled, unlike human nature.

Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

That's why I still think there should be mandatory mental illness checkups for all people. It's better to stop a deranged person from the inside, not the outside.

That's a nice idea (hard to control white arms in other way for me), but is it for when people are still young? I can imagine a truel pyschopath going on a killing spree when he is forced to checkup, but my mind is too creative.

By the useless way, if the serial killer has Lanza as his surname, I'm scared of my mental health

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

0176 wrote:
I'd surely love to explode an assassin's head off, but I don't see why you would allow people to buy guns without strict restriction.
Strict restricition meaning a check on how this guy had mental issues and should have been reported?
Why are so many people just focusing on "No more guns they kill people"? No, people kill people, people who have mental illness' like this guy should be reported and examined for help. Where was the family to report this? Shouldn't we be focusing more on what causes this stuff to happen rather than blaming guns for everything and trying to move on?

What you don't realize is that people may kill others, but people with guns kill more, and more often.

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

Arceus64 wrote:
people who have mental illness' like this guy should be reported and examined for help. Where was the family to report this? Shouldn't we be focusing more on what causes this stuff to happen rather than blaming guns for everything and trying to move on?
That's awfully presumptive of you. News sources aren't reporting a psychopath like with Aurora.
Instead, I believe he was mistaken. He made the wrong choices in life, and that ultimately warped his morale. That is not a mental illness. A mental illness causes you to act without rational reason; while this is and act of rational reason that is misplaced.

Some of his relatives said he was "troubled" and "obviously not well". There was a moment in this chaos went a report went out saying he suffered from mental illness, but that's likely not the case right now.

And maybe me saying mental illness was too specific a term. Anyway, his behavior should have been reported at least.

treejoe4 wrote:

Arceus64 wrote:
0176 wrote:
I'd surely love to explode an assassin's head off, but I don't see why you would allow people to buy guns without strict restriction.
Strict restricition meaning a check on how this guy had mental issues and should have been reported?
Why are so many people just focusing on "No more guns they kill people"? No, people kill people, people who have mental illness' like this guy should be reported and examined for help. Where was the family to report this? Shouldn't we be focusing more on what causes this stuff to happen rather than blaming guns for everything and trying to move on?
What you don't realize is that people may kill others, but people with guns kill more, and more often.

Of couse I realize guns play a factor in this, I just don't think guns are the major problem. It's the people who do this.

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

But quite a lot of Americans aren't responsible with guns at the current moment, countries like Canada are much more responsible. So why should a society that misuses guns on a large scale get them?
http://www.oyetimes.com/news/america/33 … ted-states

Don't accuse me of being too judgmental, statistics and logic back me up.

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

The Constitution is meant to be a living document, able to be amended when necessary. This is one of those times, one way or the other.

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