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Redhat

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Re: Suicide

You think that's not ok, but it isn't a fact.

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Echo!

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Re: Suicide

I'm through with this topic. I have said what I needed to say. Redhat, if you really think that it's ok for people to commit suicide, I recommend seeing a counselor because that is not ok.

If anyone else need any information please go the International Suicide Prevention Wiki: http://suicideprevention.wikia.com/wiki … _Directory

It's because most suicide prevention lead to people ending up in a nutty house/psychiatrist hospital, even if it for a short while, wth? Maybe if there was a better solution for suicide prevention, then this conversation may have no been happening.

This is half the reason I'm pretty bad atm, a month ago my psychiatrist said, that if I feel the need I have to harm/kill my self, or anyone, then I'll probably end up in one. So every week I see him, and he asks if I have been feeling this way, I simply have to reply "nope". Because I honestly don't want to end up in a somewhat prison.

Echo!

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Re: Suicide

I am sure I am not the only one here who cares. But I am worried for Capasha/doh. It would go against me if I said stuff about his personal life. But, he's in the same frame of mind that I was a few weeks ago, and I'm really worried for him. Since he tried to end it all. And he creeps scaring me and saying he's going to try again, but he's at hospital. It sucks because I know just how he feels, and I can't do nothing.

I just hope he's okay, but I don't think he is.

SeymourG

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Re: Suicide

I've thought about suicide before. Last year, my father died, all my friends moved, new school. Bleh life sucked. I just don't have the balls for it or the brain for it because of my logical side... And I'm an athiest so I, personally, am afraid to do it because I feel there will just be nothing afterwards. No heaven or anything, so I feel that killing myself would be the end of everything, which I can't really bear.

So yeah, there are my thoughts.

treejoe4

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I've thought about suicide before. Last year, my father died, all my friends moved, new school. Bleh life sucked. I just don't have the balls for it or the brain for it because of my logical side... And I'm an athiest so I, personally, am afraid to do it because I feel there will just be nothing afterwards. No heaven or anything, so I feel that killing myself would be the end of everything, which I can't really bear.

So yeah, there are my thoughts.

Why does being an atheist remove the belief that there is higher level of conscious? Lots of people who have had near death experiences describe a white tunnel...

SeymourG

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Re: Suicide

Morgan Freeman (the only level of higher conciousness I believe in ) told me during a sciencey program at 2 in the morning this (read in his voice. It makes perfect sense):

According to the first Law of Thermodynamics, energy can not be created or destroyed, so when someone dies, that energy has to go somewhere. It is theorized that when you die, this energy is projected off your body and to your surroundings, allowing thoughts/memories to be created of you looking down upon your self. Then, the part of the brain that controls the eyes begins to fail, creating a white light... Then when you 'come back to life', these thoughts return, and you remember all that.

Also, that explains ghosts, according to Hodgins from Bones. Those thoughts are projected, but they don't return because you just... die. So people can pick up on those thoughts and experience paranormal things (not like stuff from horror movies, though).

Redhat

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Re: Suicide

I don't know much about energy conduction, but the energy shouldn't go to the ground?

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treejoe4

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Re: Suicide

Morgan Freeman (the only level of higher conciousness I believe in ) told me during a sciencey program at 2 in the morning this (read in his voice. It makes perfect sense):

According to the first Law of Thermodynamics, energy can not be created or destroyed, so when someone dies, that energy has to go somewhere. It is theorized that when you die, this energy is projected off your body and to your surroundings, allowing thoughts/memories to be created of you looking down upon your self. Then, the part of the brain that controls the eyes begins to fail, creating a white light... Then when you 'come back to life', these thoughts return, and you remember all that.

Also, that explains ghosts, according to Hodgins from Bones. Those thoughts are projected, but they don't return because you just... die. So people can pick up on those thoughts and experience paranormal things (not like stuff from horror movies, though).

....? that makes no sense
and wouldn't failing eyes turn black?

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BlazingZelda

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Re: Suicide

sad... sad... most of the people on this forum are just going to ignore me and say I'm some crazy religious person, but that shouldn't stop me from stating my view.

Yes redhat, no man should decide what another man does with his life (or his death). failgirl doesn't have the right to take away other people's choices. and yes failgirl, suicide is wrong and life is a beautiful thing.

Neither of you seem to believe in god and that is what I believe to be the error of both of your ways. I'm not saying that it is, I'm saying that it is what I believe to be your flaws.

My view on suicide is this: god created our life and killing ourselves is like taking the gift he gave us and complaining about it   and then throwing it on the ground. one of god's ten commandments is "Thou shall not murder". I don't need anymore reason than that. Because I owe my life to god there is no just reason for me go against his law.

plat aka kingpooultra

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Re: Suicide

Sometimes the only reason I don't commit suicide is because I know I live for other people. I'm here to try to make people happy. Not only that, but I understand the great pain it would leave towards any family/friends I have. Sometimes you just need to know that there are people out there who care for you, and that you need to try to be there, no matter how rough.

"Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, it's a mean, and nasty place. And I don't care how hard you hit, no one is gonna hit harder than life. It's not about being able to hit harder, but you have to be able to take the hits, and keep going!" -Don't remember who

EDIT: Echo, I know you're thinking about it, please don't do it man! Hit me up, I'll let you vent anything you need to

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Calicara

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Re: Suicide

<snip>

Respectfully, I am atheist. So, though we may disagree in our views at least we can both agree, "Suicide is wrong and life is a beautiful thing."

I get the argument that, who is to decide who lives and who dies? Well no one really, because no one is superior, and yet at the same time I guess I would ask this.

If you are saying not one person has the right to control others, than what are the point of government? What are the point of leaders? What are the point of heroes? (Hero, referring to a person who does a good deed to help others without hindering anyone in the process nor expecting a reward.)

Yes, I think it's bad for people to control each other only if it's in a negative way, but why is it so bad to have someone in charge? Why is it so bad to have someone to help? People who protect you from suicide, and try to show you that you have the right to live, are not trying to control you, they are trying to help you.

Why is it so horrible to admit you need help?

I think that people who are willing to help others, and to lend a hand should be praised. So what if they appear to have a higher social status, so what if they are leader? Isn't that a good thing? (Relatively speaking.) So when you say, "well who are you to decide who should live and who dies?", well my answer is I'm nobody. I'm nobody really, except someone who knows that suicide is wrong, and that I would lift a helping hand if someone seriously needed it.

People have to trust someone to lead them, or to guide them, otherwise where would we be? And whether you think that leader is god, or another person, fine. But if that person or god keeps you going day by day, leads you in a right and straight forward direction, then don't be afraid to listen. Keep an open mind, and just remember that there is never any good reason for suicide.

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killingpepper123

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Re: Suicide

My point of view:

You didn't ask to be born. You leave when you want.

Calicara

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Re: Suicide

My point of view:

You didn't ask to be born. You leave when you want.

What if you commit suicide, when you one day you might have cured cancer?

Also I'm off to bed now. I need plenty of rest so I can argue more in the morning. Night.

SeymourG

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Re: Suicide

^ Lol Failgirl, that's very you.

Anyway, Killingpepper, your post reminded me of a video on Newgrounds... It's called "What are the odds?". It shows the general odds of you being alive. You know what those odds are? One out of one with 900,000 zeros. So after watching that, it feels like sort of... A huge, incredible waste. The odds of you being alive right now are so incredibly small that suicide seems like a gigantic middle finger to the universe.

Redhat

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Re: Suicide

What if you commit suicide, when you one day you might have cured cancer?

that would be sad, but he does not have to find a cure for cancer if he dont want to, it is not his obligation.
and do not get me wrong, I'm not opposed to trying to help people who want to commit suicide, but I am against forcing psychologically them saying that "suicide is cowardice" or "suicide is selfishness"
some people don't really want to die, these are people who need help, but only to find out if they want to die or not. after confirming that they really want to die, just tell them to solve any consequence before commiting suicide (for example: if a mother wants to die, she needs to find someone to take care of her childrens) and stop insisting.

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Calicara

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Re: Suicide

What if you commit suicide, when you one day you might have cured cancer?

that would be sad, but he does not have to find a cure for cancer if he dont want to, it is not his obligation.
and do not get me wrong, I'm not opposed to trying to help people who want to commit suicide, but I am against forcing psychologically them saying that "suicide is cowardice" or "suicide is selfishness"
some people don't really want to die, these are people who need help, but only to find out if they want to die or not. after confirming that they really want to die, just tell them to solve any consequence before commiting suicide (for example: if a mother wants to die, she needs to find someone to take care of her childrens) and stop insisting.

Committing suicide is selfish, and cowardly.

People do have the ability to do great things, and when they'd rather kill themselves then help save the world that is selfish. When they'd rather run from their problems by dying then face them, that is cowardly.

I know, probably not every person saved from suicide will want to go out and cure cancer, that was just an example. But just because it's improbable doesn't mean it's impossible. Everyone is capable of being great, and I do think it's their obligation to use their given talents to the best of their abilities to help mankind.

The way I see what you are saying is like, for example: A person has the power to turn the tides of war, but they won't do it simply because they don't want to. It's not about them, it's about what they can do. They can help others, they can make a difference, but they won't because they are selfish and lazy.

but only to find out if they want to die or not. after confirming that they really want to die, just tell them to solve any consequence before committing suicide (for example: if a mother wants to die, she needs to find someone to take care of her childrens) and stop insisting.

That might have been one of the most sick things I have ever read. Jeez I wouldn't want to live in a world were you are in charge, that's horrible! You shouldn't help anyone commit suicide.

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BlazingZelda

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If you are saying not one person has the right to control others, than what are the point of government? What are the point of leaders? What are the point of heroes? (Hero, referring to a person who does a good deed to help others without hindering anyone in the process nor expecting a reward.)

The point of the government is to protect the people, and generally that is to the peoples liking. The point of a leader? Someone who you have decided to follow and/or do what they say, but no one forced you to follow that leader. Heroes often times do god's will when "performing a heroic act" even if they don't believe in god they may (and usually do if they're a real hero) do what god desires.

Yes, I think it's bad for people to control each other only if it's in a negative way, but why is it so bad to have someone in charge? Why is it so bad to have someone to help? People who protect you from suicide, and try to show you that you have the right to live, are not trying to control you, they are trying to help you.

so... I don't see how your arguing against me here. I never said anything against having someone in charge. it isn't bad to have someone help. It's good for them to help. People who protect you from suicide, and try to show you that you have the right to live, are not trying to control you, they are trying to help you. hey look what I think is so similar I even copied what you said, and it matches up with the other things I've said.

I think that people who are willing to help others, and to lend a hand should be praised. So what if they appear to have a higher social status, so what if they are leader? Isn't that a good thing? (Relatively speaking.) So when you say, "well who are you to decide who should live and who dies?", well my answer is I'm nobody. I'm nobody really, except someone who knows that suicide is wrong, and that I would lift a helping hand if someone seriously needed it.

Yes, those who complete god's will should be praised. Social status has little to do with any of this. So if you know suicide is wrong you can determine another's fate? If that were true Christians would rule the world right now, but we don't. Having more knowledge or a "better belief" on something does not give superiority.   I think you should lift a helping hand even when their life doesn't hinge upon it.

People have to trust someone to lead them, or to guide them, otherwise where would we be? And whether you think that leader is god, or another person, fine. But if that person or god keeps you going day by day, leads you in a right and straight forward direction, then don't be afraid to listen. Keep an open mind, and just remember that there is never any good reason for suicide.

this section looks good. the only thing is that little statement at the bottom. If there is no god, what is the problem with suicide? what is the problem with taking your tiny life and giving it up? sure, it would be an incredible waste, but that doesn't determine right and wrong. if there is no god or superior being what is right? what is wrong? what should we do? what should we not do? even humans have imprinted in their minds to love your neighbor as you love yourself. even if you think of it a different way, we have some sort of code that we need to be nice. but we fail. it is human nature. and without god there is little point to any of this.

My point of view:

You didn't ask to be born. You leave when you want.

good job! you made a perfectly reasonable statement if there is no god

It shows the general odds of you being alive. You know what those odds are? One out of one with 900,000 zeros. So after watching that, it feels like sort of... A huge, incredible waste. The odds of you being alive right now are so incredibly small that suicide seems like a gigantic middle finger to the universe.

in this statement you seem to be putting the universe at the role of superior being. Need I say more?

that would be sad, but he does not have to find a cure for cancer if he dont want to, it is not his obligation.
and do not get me wrong, I'm not opposed to trying to help people who want to commit suicide, but I am against forcing psychologically them saying that "suicide is cowardice" or "suicide is selfishness"
some people don't really want to die, these are people who need help, but only to find out if they want to die or not. after confirming that they really want to die, just tell them to solve any consequence before commiting suicide (for example: if a mother wants to die, she needs to find someone to take care of her childrens) and stop insisting.

well red... unlike failgirl you do talk like an atheist. from a godless perspective you make perfect sense and fail girl sounds illogical. From a christian perspective,(which this whole forum seems to lack) red looks godless and failgirl seems to grasp the concept but is missing the most important part. God.

red, I'm truly sorry for you. failgirl,   be more careful before you go calling yourself an atheist.

Sometimes the only reason I don't commit suicide is because I know I live for other people. I'm here to try to make people happy. Not only that, but I understand the great pain it would leave towards any family/friends I have. Sometimes you just need to know that there are people out there who care for you, and that you need to try to be there, no matter how rough.

I almost forgot you... I completely agree. Sometimes you do just need to know that possibly even one being cares.

killingpepper123

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Re: Suicide

You shouldn't help anyone commit suicide.

I lol'd when I saw that. That sentence ruined all your arguments. If the mother kills herself and she did not find anyone to raise her children, than her children would be in deep trouble.

EDIT: I bet RedHat is the president of russia

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Arceus64

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Re: Suicide

EDIT: I bet RedHat is the president of russia

Wouldn't he be advertising his own Putin comic here by now?

Tako

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Re: Suicide

Committing suicide is selfish, and cowardly.

People do have the ability to do great things, and when they'd rather kill themselves then help save the world that is selfish. When they'd rather run from their problems by dying then face them, that is cowardly.

I know, probably not every person saved from suicide will want to go out and cure cancer, that was just an example. But just because it's improbable doesn't mean it's impossible. Everyone is capable of being great, and I do think it's their obligation to use their given talents to the best of their abilities to help mankind.

The way I see what you are saying is like, for example: A person has the power to turn the tides of war, but they won't do it simply because they don't want to. It's not about them, it's about what they can do. They can help others, they can make a difference, but they won't because they are selfish and lazy.

You know what? You're absolutely right. It's selfish.

It's also selfish to say "hey, let's torture this guy because he has a small chance of fixing my problem."

Understand the extremely small probability that this person will be of value. Understand what you're doing to someone when you said "preventing them from committing suicide".

If your message is sincere, be more concerned with things like child hunger and cancer research instead of controlling people you don't know.

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Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

BlazingZelda

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Re: Suicide

Committing suicide is selfish, and cowardly.

People do have the ability to do great things, and when they'd rather kill themselves then help save the world that is selfish. When they'd rather run from their problems by dying then face them, that is cowardly.

I know, probably not every person saved from suicide will want to go out and cure cancer, that was just an example. But just because it's improbable doesn't mean it's impossible. Everyone is capable of being great, and I do think it's their obligation to use their given talents to the best of their abilities to help mankind.

The way I see what you are saying is like, for example: A person has the power to turn the tides of war, but they won't do it simply because they don't want to. It's not about them, it's about what they can do. They can help others, they can make a difference, but they won't because they are selfish and lazy.

You know what? You're absolutely right. It's selfish.

It's also selfish to say "hey, let's torture this guy because he has a small chance of fixing my problem."

Understand the extremely small probability that this person will be of value. Understand what you're doing to someone when you said "preventing them from committing suicide".

Like I said, No human has the right to control another human.

Redhat

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Re: Suicide

Committing suicide is selfish, and cowardly.

please do not blame me if your comment made me a little angry. Let's see your point of view.

People do have the ability to do great things, and when they'd rather kill themselves then help save the world that is selfish.

what's your concept of "great things"?
Ooh, if he had not committed suicide, he could probably find a cure for cancer, so that people with cancer would live longer, and after living they would die anyway and all the memories would be discarded, but at least they would have lived longer, even if there had NO MEANING. He can not commit suicide because he needs to create more meaningless things for the planet, it is selfishness!
Ooh, if he had not committed suicide he could have stopped a war, so people could live peacetime only to have their memories removed in death, then it would not matter to them whether they lived or not, but hey, people were related to them, such as friends, relatives, and these people have a benefit by the end of the war, after all, they could spend more time with their relatives, only to have their memories removed in death, then it would not matter to them whether they lived with relatives or not, so he can not commit suicide, he needs to create more meaningless things for the planet.

no matter what someone does, there is not really "great things" to be done. Because in this universe, everything leads to the same result: death and destruction.

(I do not know why, but I think google translator is trolling me with these translations, they do not seems right '-')

When they'd rather run from their problems by dying then face them, that is cowardly.

because for some mysterious reason he NEEDS to face the problems, is not it? explain it better, please.

That might have been one of the most sick things I have ever read. Jeez I wouldn't want to live in a world were you are in charge, that's horrible! You shouldn't help anyone commit suicide.

I'm not sure if it's google translate's fault, or if it's your fault, but I did not mean "help people commit suicide", I mean "help people discover if they REALLY want to commit suicide", because most of them are just sad.

EDIT: I bet RedHat is the president of russia

SHHHH! nobody can know

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BlazingZelda

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Re: Suicide

This is Ecclesiastes chapter 1   verses 1-11

1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 ?Meaningless! Meaningless!?
     says the Teacher.
?Utterly meaningless!
     Everything is meaningless.?
3 What do people gain from all their labors
     at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
     but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
     and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
     and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
     ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
     yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
     there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
     more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
     nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
     what has been done will be done again;
     there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
     ?Look! This is something new??
It was here already, long ago;
     it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
     and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
     by those who follow them.

This is Ecclesiastes chapter 12 verses 9-14

The Conclusion of the Matter

9 Not only was the Teacher wise, but he also imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. 10 The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.

11 The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails?given by one shepherd.[b] 12 Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.

Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.

13 Now all has been heard;
     here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
     for this is the duty of all mankind.
14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
     including every hidden thing,
     whether it is good or evil.

If there is no god there is no point to our existence.
If there is a god then our lives have meaning.

Echo!

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Re: Suicide

Committing suicide is selfish, and cowardly.

I'm on vacation, and you've made me angry. You've crossed the line...You've just insulted MILLIONS of people, millions.

Want to know what selfish is? Your lack of understanding and judgment. Just because you think it's bad, does that really make you have some sort of freaking right to call my brother a "selfish coward"? ...Really? It's not just all, see a professional then everything is rainbows and unicorns....? I can't ever look at you the same, well done... Suicide is so sensitive, and you think your opinion is so superior and correct, that you can just be so evil....

Calicara

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I didn't mean to offend anyone, jeez. I wasn't referring to anyone in particular when I made my statement. Sorry if you don't agree with me, but that doesn't make me a bad person. I'm gonna back off this topic anyways, clearly there is no convincing Redhat and I feel like I'm wasting my time anyways. I don't think anyone should commit suicide, no one should help others commit suicide, and I give respect the deceased.

That is all.

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