Suicide

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

And you're telling me that most people who want to kill themselves are justified in doing so?

Deetz · Before February 2015

AL3XTH3M3NTALON3 wrote:

Most of the causes for suicide are depression. Usually this depression comes from school/social activities.
My advice is for those people that are depressed out there just to think of the positives of life, perhaps join a club, so its interaction, which could then lead to a new friend. Which is a positive. Try and block out all the depressing/Frustrating aspects of life and focus on the good things.

Taking it back here, No.

For some peole, that is the hardest thing in the world to do. Ever. Including the descision to commit suicide

NOTE: I do not mean that this is a bad idea. I just mean that for some people, it's just not possible.

Tako · Before February 2015

treejoe4 wrote:

And you're telling me that most people who want to kill themselves are justified in doing so?

Well, yes. I don't know what hell they've been through... do you? You must, since you're putting a blanket over it. My opinion is passive; yours is an assertion. Back your assertion up. Why is all life so sacred that people should be forced to endure pain and suffering when they don't want to or need to?

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Because the majority of people who want to commit suicide are truly lost, they can enjoy life, but they don't know how too because they are depressed. Depression makes these people lost, it gives them the attitude that they cannot escape a life of depression.

If you seriously think that suicidal people should be left to themselves, then I have absolute no respect for you, and I think you have some serious issues that you need to deal with. You obviously lack any sort of emotion towards people, and you clearly don't understand how to deal with depression.

So, are you actually telling me that a teenager who is bullied, is justified in killing themselves? Are you telling me that someone who just lost their job or friends is justified in killing themselves? Suicide is the way out when their is no more options, such as terminally people. But for everyone else, their is a way out.

I'm sure the parents of a teenager who have lost their child to suicide would enjoy your opinion.

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

strider wrote:

suicide i once tride to kill my self by pushing my face into my pillow cuz i hated my life but ever sence i found zanzlanz.com i made some friends and i don't think about suicide anymore.

I hope you know that's a method you can't accomplish on your own. You would pass out after a while and then loosen your pressure on the pillow and continue breathing normally. Here ~~are~~ was a list of the ten most common suicide methods, along with side effects for if they are failed.

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I think that if someone is at the point where they want to commit suicide, they should be allowed to. If some kids are getting bullied and can't see that it will end soon, and wants to kill themselves, let them.

EDIT: I don't appreciate my post being edited and redirecting my link to motivational quotes.

Mod Edit: I don't appreciate you explaining how to kill yourself or someone else.

The author of this post has received a warning for explaining illegal behavior (yes, that's in our rules).

Last edited by Tako (Mar 17 2013 4:40:09 pm)

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh wrote:

strider wrote:
suicide i once tride to kill my self by pushing my face into my pillow cuz i hated my life but ever sence i found zanzlanz.com i made some friends and i don't think about suicide anymore.
I hope you know that's a method you can't accomplish on your own. You would pass out after a while and then loosen your pressure on the pillow and continue breathing normally. Here are the ten most common suicide methods, along with side effects for if they are failed.
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I think that if someone is at the point where they want to commit suicide, they should be allowed to. If some kids are getting bullied and can't see that it will end soon, and wants to kill themselves, let them.

What an awful attitude. Some people deserve to live.

Calicara · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh wrote:

I think that if someone is at the point where they want to commit suicide, they should be allowed to. If some kids are getting bullied and can't see that it will end soon, and wants to kill themselves, let them.

Woah, woah, WHAT?! Are you actually saying that people SHOULD kill themselves?! That's horrible! Everyone deserves to live, no matter what they are going through. Everyone has problems, but that is no reason to go and kill yourself. Suicide is a terrible, terrible thing.

If some kids are getting bullied and can't see that it will end soon

I'll have you know I am a victim of bullying in middle school myself. Turns out, the kids who bullied me dropped out of school, and here I am now at college. I never contemplated suicide, but I just don't think there is any reason for it. Everyone has a tough life, life will never be easy. When you kill yourself you are not only wasting your life, which you could have spent solving world problems, you are also giving into the bullies.

I just cannot believe that anyone would EVER say something like that! This is extremely upsetting!

Last edited by Calicara (Mar 17 2013 2:16:16 pm)

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh wrote:

I think that if someone is at the point where they want to commit suicide, they should be allowed to. If some kids are getting bullied and can't see that it will end soon, and wants to kill themselves, let them.

That is very unacceptable. Kids of this modern age NEED to understand that committing suicide because there are bullies that are making you feel like crap is completely intolerable. They see their attackers as invincible, powerful people, when in reality, they are just stupid 14-year-old jerks who prey on attention, make other kids feel bad about themselves for pure fun, have useless parents (if they had real parents, they'd teach their kids proper behavior), and can easily be taken care of by a responsible adult, like a teacher.

Tako · Before February 2015

So, are you actually telling me that a teenager who is bullied, is justified in killing themselves? Are you telling me that someone who just lost their job or friends is justified in killing themselves? Suicide is the way out when their is no more options, such as terminally people. But for everyone else, their is a way out.

(As I said in my first post) People who are experiencing a trial with a fixable cause like a bully victim should not commit suicide. There is a simple resolve for that; there is resolve in many directions. These types of suicide, which are very common, ought to be prevented. Especially when the individual doesn't want to. I have compassion for them and their family, and I would never want a simple mistake like that to ruin the lives around them. Much less would I say something as ignorant and dim-witted like "suicide victims should be left to themselves".

But... to the minority of people who have good reasons, to the minority of people who have good ethics and philosophies, you should be allowed to commit suicide. It is, in my opinion (and the opinion of several philosophers before me, such as Hobbes and Buddha), that anyone with such secure reasoning and understanding should make their own decisions.

I loathe suicide prevention when its agents refuse to see it from the victim's standpoint. Sure, many instances are mistakes. Many people commit suicide with false intentions and it ultimately results in more pain and suffering than before. Props to them for fixing those.

But since they refuse to see it from the victim's perspective, some people - the people who have good reasons to commit suicide, for instance the terminally ill as you said - are tortured because they are refused suicide. They are essentially spoon-fed pain and agony, every day, 365 days of the year. That is inhumane. It's appalling how people who are in such immense pain, either physically or mentally or socially, are not allowed death because some fool adopted the idea that all suicide is bad suicide and further transmitted that idea to everyone around him. It is a fate worse than death and I am disgusted anyone would suggest we should blanket suicide and encourage such ignorance at the cost of a minority's well-being and happiness through death.
PS: I removed the -rep because of how radically twisted you received my stance. If, after reading this, you still think I, someone who is essentially is agreeing with you, is still completely wrong, feel free to rep again.

(And I'd be more than happy to repeat such measure to anyone else experiencing a similar situation. I don't want anyone to get the idea I'm abusing my power this way)

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

If the people contemplating suicide are dumb enough not to see that there is a way out, then let them take the easy way out. Simple as that. It's truly survival of the fittest.

Tako · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh wrote:

If the people contemplating suicide are dumb enough not to see that there is a way out, then let them take the easy way out. Simple as that. It's truly survival of the fittest.

Well sheesh, with that logic murder should be legalized. I don't think humanity is all about advancing survival of the fittest; that's nature's job.

Calicara · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh wrote:

If the people contemplating suicide are dumb enough not to see that there is a way out, then let them take the easy way out. Simple as that. It's truly survival of the fittest.

That is very ignorant way of putting it. You are saying that people who commit suicide are stupid, and that they deserve to die because they are stupid, which is very harsh and unnecessary.

Just focusing on victims of bullying here, children are one of societies most important resources. Of course when children are young they are unknowing, they have hardly experienced their lives and probably don't understand a lot about the world. Now not going into the whole "age determines maturity level", all I am saying is, I see no reason why a kid should commit suicide over bullying.

Bullying is a problem that will follow most people through their entire lives, and though I'm not condoning bullying, I also do not think it is something that people should kill themselves over, especially children. For all you know, that weak and defenseless child who wants to kill himself because he is being bullied by some jock, could grow up to cure cancer.

A child who wants to commit suicide is usually not stupid, just unknowing. Unknowing of how what their doing will effect everyone, and themselves. Being athletic of popular is not the only way to get around in this world, and when you tell people it's ok to commit suicide, think of this. If all the victims of these bully attacks go around and kill themselves, who will grow up to be our future generation, our politicians, our workers, our artists, our scientists.

You really should reconsider what your saying.

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Takoman, what you fail to understand is that most people who kill themselves are not doing it out of logic or reason, they are doing it because they are depressed.

There is normally, more options available to people than suicide, so in general suicide is wrong from a logical view. So why do you still insist that people are still right to do so? Where do you get the logic that most people who kill themselves are doing it within reason? If someone commits suicide because they are lonely, do you think it would be too much to make them find a relationship?

Why can't you accept that sometimes people don't know what is best for them? Especially people who are prone to depression and suicidal thoughts. I can imagine these groups of people saved by help from others would feel sick at your comments.

It's pointless arguing anyway, because you are too arrogant to accept another view. And just like everyone else here, if you knew someone was about to kill themselves, and walked right in front of them, you would stop them.

And stop with the pretentious philosopher garbage.

Last edited by treejoe4 (Mar 17 2013 4:11:14 pm)

Urban · Before February 2015

I think that people who react based on emotions end up regretting most of their decisions later... and people who have taken their own lives would probably regret it if they could. When I tried to kill myself years ago, I wasn't thinking, and I regret that I even thought to end my life. Looking back on it, my reasons were just small problems that wouldn't have mattered later. Suicide may seem like a good idea, but all it does is hurt everyone else, and waste your life.

Echo! · Before February 2015

Urban wrote:

I think that people who react based on emotions end up regretting most of their decisions later... and people who have taken their own lives would probably regret it if they could. When I tried to kill myself years ago, I wasn't thinking, and I regret that I even thought to end my life. Looking back on it, my reasons were just small problems that wouldn't have mattered later. Suicide may seem like a good idea, but all it does is hurt everyone else, and waste your life.

Dude your problems are small, it doesn't mean every freaking persons problem out there are miniscule. If only you know what I people have been put through, people would probably be far how long them people have made it. But, I think there's a point where everything just gets to much. I've tried like 3 times, I keep messing up, im so crap at it, never freaking works, god must love me or something, curse him.

Committing suicide is a waste of your life? Really. most people kill their-selves because it feels like they've wasted their life. Tell you what, never been depressed? go live in a cage for 17 years, put the key just in sight, but still far away, now, you've go tot survive in the cage, you won't gain nothing, what is there to gain in a small cage? Nothing, you're just going loose everything, watch everything around you grow and get better, while you'll slowly get worse and the thing you love will die and burn. And the only way to get out of the cage is demise.

Last edited by Echo! (Mar 17 2013 5:48:50 pm)

killingpepper123 · Before February 2015

AsurcH wrote:

The way I would prevent myself from suiciding is, I have a life motto that at some point of my life I have to be useful for someone/something.

#yolo. But that's true, yolo.

Redhat · Before February 2015

After read all the posts, I decided to tell you people what my brother said in the night before his suicide. I'm not from EUA, so turn off your grammarnazi sensor

first my brother came and said he needed to have an important conversation, when we were in the room, he told me: "I want to commit suicide, and I want you to give support to our parents" (not so direct, but that's what he meant )

When I heard, I thought he was joking but he was serious, so I asked him why. He told me to repeat our sense of life (we had arrived at a conclusion about the meaning of life a few years ago)

So I said: "We are not immortal, so we must try to do something important that our lives are not in vain."

he told me he had discovered that it was ALSO in vain, so I asked why. He said: "Because nothing lasts forever, even if we can do great things, they will be forgotten one day, as we are not immortal, humanity is also not immortal.

So I told him that one day mankind would achieve immortality, that science still has long way to go.

he told me that no matter how much science achievement, considering that time is infinite, anything that has a higher chance of 0% to happen, will happen billions of times. For mankind to attain immortality, the chances of someone dying would have to be reduced to 0%, and we know that this is impossible. no matter what we do, life is meaningless.

Then I began to understand, I was really sad, but leave I realized something, I told him: "if life has no meaning, death also has not."
He said he agreed but said that committing suicide or not, he would come to the same thing: death. And told me he could not live knowing that everything he do would be useless, he was 26 and had already made a lot before reach this conclusion, said the death was what he wanted, I was very pensive at that time, trying to find some argument, any chance, anything he might have missed in his line of reasoning, then he told me he had been thinking about it for months, had no way to make life worthwhile, I understand it, (the speech after that has no importance to pursue what I want to tell you guys), my brother went to his room and injected KCl into a vein before sleep. He didn't awoke the next morning.

My brother decided to die and died
I can live knowing that I will be useless, because I don't made so much as he, who gave up his social life for studies, work, etc ...

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gregregreg · Before February 2015

RedHat wrote:

After read all the posts, I decided to tell you people what my brother said in the night before his suicide. I'm not from EUA, so turn off your grammarnazi sensor
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first my brother came and said he needed to have an important conversation, when we were in the room, he told me: "I want to commit suicide, and I want you to give support to our parents" (not so direct, but that's what he meant )
When I heard, I thought he was joking but he was serious, so I asked him why. He told me to repeat our sense of life (we had arrived at a conclusion about the meaning of life a few years ago)
So I said: "We are not immortal, so we must try to do something important that our lives are not in vain."
he told me he had discovered that it was ALSO in vain, so I asked why. He said: "Because nothing lasts forever, even if we can do great things, they will be forgotten one day, as we are not immortal, humanity is also not immortal.
So I told him that one day mankind would achieve immortality, that science still has long way to go.
he told me that no matter how much science achievement, considering that time is infinite, anything that has a higher chance of 0% to happen, will happen billions of times. For mankind to attain immortality, the chances of someone dying would have to be reduced to 0%, and we know that this is impossible. no matter what we do, life is meaningless.
Then I began to understand, I was really sad, but leave I realized something, I told him: "if life has no meaning, death also has not."
He said he agreed but said that committing suicide or not, he would come to the same thing: death. And told me he could not live knowing that everything he do would be useless, he was 26 and had already made a lot before reach this conclusion, said the death was what he wanted, I was very pensive at that time, trying to find some argument, any chance, anything he might have missed in his line of reasoning, then he told me he had been thinking about it for months, had no way to make life worthwhile, I understand it, (the speech after that has no importance to pursue what I want to tell you guys), my brother went to his room and injected KCl into a vein before sleep. He didn't awoke the next morning.
My brother decided to die and died
I can live knowing that I will be useless, because I don't made so much as he, who gave up his social life for studies, work, etc ...
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This is...this is...

I hope your brother Rests In Peace.

Tako · Before February 2015

RedHat wrote:

After read all the posts, I decided to tell you people what my brother said in the night before his suicide. I'm not from EUA, so turn off your grammarnazi sensor
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Would you feel better if your brother was institutionalized (put into an apartment designed for people with special needs) and drugged instead?

Your brother sounds like he was very intelligent. It is a shame he can't be here but I would not go as far as to say you should have institutionalized him.

Last edited by Tako (Mar 18 2013 2:15:51 pm)

Echo! · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

RedHat wrote:
After read all the posts, I decided to tell you people what my brother said in the night before his suicide. I'm not from EUA, so turn off your grammarnazi sensor
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Would you feel better if your brother was institutionalized (put into an apartment designed for people with special needs) and drugged instead?

I don't think his brother would of like that.

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People keep telling me things will get better, though, the same as RedHat, my older brother did it, and he had a car, a job, and kids. but he got depressed for a reason we do not know, then we woke up with a calamity on our hands.

Redhat · Before February 2015

how can anyone life drugged in an apartment? this is not life. suicide is way better than that.

Echo! · Before February 2015

RedHat wrote:

how can anyone life drugged in an apartment? this is not life. suicide is way better than that.

Exactly my point, yet no one understands.

Tako · Before February 2015

RedHat wrote:

how can anyone life drugged in an apartment? this is not life. suicide is way better than that.

He was lucky to have a brother like you who is considerate enough to see it from his perspective. Most people would skip that step.

Just making sure I'm not as crazy as people are telling me.

gregregreg · Before February 2015

If anyone wants to commit suicide, it's their problem. But, they should consider calling the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (1-800-273-8255 in the U.S.), and, if they understand what may happen after, and if they REALLY want to leave the face of the Earth, then they are allowed to do it. Everyone has to die at some point. Hopefully, anyone that wishes to commit suicide talks it over with someone.

Echo! · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

RedHat wrote:
how can anyone life drugged in an apartment? this is not life. suicide is way better than that.
He was lucky to have a brother like you who is considerate enough to see it from his perspective. Most people would skip that step.

Lol, well just don't tell anyone in the first place, and just do it.

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