Taking Things Personally

Different55 · Before February 2015

People shouldn't hate/dislike/hold negative feelings toward other people based on things that don't affect them.

Calicara · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

People shouldn't hate/dislike/hold negative feelings toward other people based on things that don't affect them.

I'm not saying they should, but that's what it seems. After all, why else would one get offensive if I say god is not real? By saying that statement I am not attacking any one mortal being in particular, yet when I say it, many people tend to get offended, because as they say "I'm denying a whole way of life." Well maybe I am, but that's not the life for me.
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Also I might add, from my perspective, me saying god doesn't exist and you getting offended, is equivalent to you saying god does exist and me getting offended. I would not get offended by the statement. I don't care, so why should others? Thinking one way or the other doesn't necessarily make you worse, so I don't the big deal.

Last edited by Calicara (Feb 23 2014 12:03:33 pm)

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

People shouldn't hate/dislike/hold negative feelings toward other people based on things that don't affect them.

So even though Nazi's won't affect me, I can't hate them? Okay!

Different55 · Before February 2015

Good point. I hadn't thought of it like that.

Superfly · Before February 2015

It's not really that your opinion is against the majority, it's how you're presenting said opinion.
From what I've seen from your posts and other people's responses, you are either:
1. Saying that people's opinions are wrong just because you don't agree (like Meredith said, it shouldn't detract from the value of those opinions just because YOU disagree), or
2. Delivering your opinion in a very almost-pretentious way, like you think you are better than others just because you have that opinion.

Also, like Pyromaniac said, with religious debates (I know this isn't about that but I'm just saying) you're essentially attacking a way of life and people will obviously retaliate. As long as you don't respond inconsiderately or in a way that shows that you think that they're a moron, you should be good.

Calicara · Before February 2015

I am not pretentious, but even so. I'm not gonna back down from expressing my opinions. Me declaring I'm an atheist isn't gonna be harmful to anyone so who cares. Me saying god is illogical is not harmful to anyone so who cares. Yes I like to carry on long arguments, but it's usually for the sake of discussion rather than proving a point. I can be pretty stubborn but who isn't? As long I'm not using slander, propaganda, black mail, or personal attacks then people shouldn't get their panties in a twist when I say something I believe to be true. (Unless it's harmful to others, but even so I try to keep my posts as generalized as possible.)

Last edited by Calicara (Feb 23 2014 3:59:21 pm)

skullz17 · Before February 2015

Saying something is something implies that it's a fact, so just adding "I think" at the beginning usually stops people from taking things personally. Whether that's a bad habit, I don't know.

Pyromaniac · Before February 2015

For the love of all that is good in the world please stop defending yourself and listen.
I don't give a flying rats butt if you don't believe. Its the way you express yourself that is so insulting. Can you just get down off of the pedestal that you have built for yourself and stop using words like "illogical" to describe all religions? You can think youre smarter than me if you want. I disagree. But for **** sake. You don't have to cram it down my throat that you think I am wrong every chance you get
Jeez I don't understand why you don't seem to get it. Its a little thing called empathy. Its honestly not about your unbelief. Its just that you express it so rudely. Literally I can count on my third hand all of the people that care if you believe in God or not. I only get offended when you go on a rampage against religion.

Also I just noticed the wise, wise words of Fdouu on the previous page
"come on, when I went through the anti-religion phase, I was quiet about it. It helped me realize that no one gives a damn about my opinion".
This is very, VERY important. Especially on the internet. ESPECIALLY on the internet. Especially. On. The. Internet.

Last edited by Pyromaniac (Feb 23 2014 5:49:28 pm)

Calicara · Before February 2015

I don't know why you're getting so angry. Like I said, you don't have to care at all about what I think, but it's not gonna make me change. I don't disrespect anyone for thinking a certain way, I think most of the time you are just taking it out of context.

Jeez I don't understand why you don't seem to get it. Its a little thing called empathy. Its honestly not about your unbelief. Its just that you express it so rudely. Literally I can count on my third hand all of the people that care if you believe in God or not. I only get offended when you go on a rampage against religion.

I don't recall going on a rampage bout religion, in fact most of the arguments we have seem to be us head butting over why you get so offended so easily and why I think you're being ridiculous. I've not been rude or insensitive.

I don't give a flying rats butt if you don't believe. Its the way you express yourself that is so insulting. Can you just get down off of the pedestal that you have built for yourself and stop using words like "illogical" to describe all religions? You can think youre smarter than me if you want. I disagree. But for **** sake. You don't have to cram it down my throat that you think I am wrong every chance you get

I never said I was smarter than everyone else, maybe you are really smart IRL, I don't know you. I don't cram anything down your throat. You choose to read my opinions you choose to reply, though I appreciate it, you seem to be getting all riled up over nothing.
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That's why I made this topic, to settle these absurd notions about me once and for all. I didn't want this topic to be about religion, but clearly it seems to have taken its part. I'm not gonna request a lock, because that would defeat the purpose. But I suppose I'll just make my self clear once more. I think god is ILLOGICAL and ABSURD. I DON'T think CHRISTIANS are always illogical absurd. I DON'T think CHRISTIANS are stupid or dumb or lesser than me. I DO think it's dumb, however, that you get so easily offended. I am NOT offended that you believe in god, go ahead if you want to, but you seem to get offended that I don't. The way I state my opinion is hardly arrogant. One could say "God is stupid, or Christians have been brainwashed", but that's both rude and uneducated. If you don't like my opinion you don't have to get butthurt.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

I don't get it, why voice your opinion if you know it will hurt people?

This isn't something big where you're speaking out against evil somethings, it's just rude and pretty blind

Last edited by Fdoou (Feb 23 2014 6:27:39 pm)

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

You do imply a lot of things failgirl

Pyromaniac · Before February 2015

Are you even reading what I am saying? I am not offended that you do not believe in God. Do you see that? I AM NOT OFFENDED THAT YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD. Obviously it would take a billboard to make you see that.
However, I get offended when you go off on a self righteous tangent.

And you do come across that way, even if you don't think you do.

I still justcant understand how you don't see that it is unnecessary to share opinions in a way that go against basic manners. Like fdouu said, why say stuff that you know is offensive (whether or not you think it should be is besides the point). It obviously is, and it is obviously annoying to more people that just myself. If you know its offensive and annoying, JUST DONT SAY IT.

**The parts in caps emphasize my main points so you do not miss them this time.

Last edited by Pyromaniac (Feb 23 2014 7:39:09 pm)

XxAtillaxX · Before February 2015

I try not engage in drama, but I must point out that it's respectful to refute another's ignorant claims.
Those claims are usually religious in nature, and we mustn't exaggerate more on that topic than what is required.
It's human nature - albeit not acceptable - to get upset after being proven wrong.
In order to help diminish that trait, having a soft tone and understanding as well as an un-intriguing stance might help.

Calicara · Before February 2015

Pyromaniac wrote:

I still justcant understand how you don't see that it is unnecessary to share opinions in a way that go against basic manners. Like fdouu said, why say stuff that you know is offensive (whether or not you think it should be is besides the point). It obviously is, and it is obviously annoying to more people that just myself. If you know its offensive and annoying, JUST DONT SAY IT.

I'd correct the grammar, but that's not important. If people we're always quiet about how they felt civilizations would be in state of despotism, and people would be abused and manipulated. Though, I doubt such effects would come from a small forums, you ask why I speak? I speak because I can. I speak, because I want to. I speak, because I want to share how I feel. I speak to get a point across. I speak because I have an opinion. And I speak, because I like to prove a point.
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I am like all people in this world, we all seek truth in some form, and though it may not always be obtainable, if we didn't speak we could never get closer to it.
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So, I apologize if you don't appreciate my rhetoric, but if the rhetoric is not towards you then why should you care? If the rhetoric is not attacking people, why should you care? If the rhetoric is nonsense to you, then why should you care? You're telling me I post and ignore 'basic manners', I don't know what manners you are referring to. I try my best to use proper grammar, and I try my best to say what I feel while avoiding an offensive manner. I try my best to hold back when I want to say something contemptuous toward another. You say I'm not reading what you say, but maybe you're not reading what I say.
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I, as a forumer, reserve the right to express my opinions and ideas on a subject manner as long as I'm not alienating or attacking anyone personally or promoting illegal activity. I also try my best to speak in an organized and grammatically correct format, and if that isn't following 'basic manners' than I don't know what is. You don't have to agree with everything I say, nor do you need to act so arrogantly toward me for disagreeing with you.
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If this doesn't answer your complaint, then please put it in the most shortest and most simplest format in which I can understand so we no longer have this issue.

Last edited by Calicara (Feb 23 2014 8:01:17 pm)

Pyromaniac · Before February 2015

I'm sorry. I suppose it was unfair of me to assume that we are on the same moral ground.

Atilla--I shudder to think of your idea of humanity if that is how you believe people should treat eachother.

Last edited by Pyromaniac (Feb 23 2014 8:04:05 pm)

Calicara · Before February 2015

I actually like Atillas post. I think he means more along the lines of, well we can use Treejoes example earlier, The Nazis. During the holocaust there was a lot of propaganda surrounding the Jewish people's in particular, in fact there was an entire film, shown in German theaters, dedicated to proving why Jewish people are rats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eterna … 40_film%29). When Ignorance like that becomes pervasive in society I think it is time to speak up and make a change. There is no reason why someone should be alienated against for having their own beliefs.

Last edited by Calicara (Feb 23 2014 8:10:44 pm)

Pyromaniac · Before February 2015

I can agree with that. But I think he meant that Christianity is ignorance, which you are entitled to believe.
I disagree because apart from the ideas of God and Jesus, which I can understand your disbelief in, Christianity at its core is about living a good life. This means morality, respect, kindness. All ideals I don't always live up to, admittedly. Its about charity and helping. Is this ignorance? The crusades, the corruption in churches are terrible marks on the face of religion, but at its core, why do people find it so appalling? Why is it considered ignorance?
This is starting to sound corny, but you get the idea.

This is why I don't understand why you insist on bashing Christianity. Because I was raised not to do that to another persons belief system, and apparently you were not.

Last edited by Pyromaniac (Feb 23 2014 8:15:01 pm)

Superfly · Before February 2015

Calicara wrote:

I also try my best to speak in an organized and grammatically correct format, and if that isn't following 'basic manners' than I don't know what is.

It's too bad that not many people follow this.

Last edited by Superfly (Feb 23 2014 8:14:49 pm)

Calicara · Before February 2015

Pyromaniac wrote:

I can agree with that. But I think he meant that Christianity is ignorance, which you are entitled to believe.
I disagree because apart from the ideas of God and Jesus, which I can understand your disbelief in, Christianity at its core is about living a good life. This means morality, respect, kindness. All ideals I don't always live up to, admittedly. Its about charity and helping. Is this ignorance? The crusades, the corruption in churches are terrible marks on the face of religion, but at its core, why do people find it so appalling? Why is it considered ignorance?
This is starting to sound corny, but you get the idea.

Most of what ruined it for me was Fear and Trembling by Soren Kierkegard.

XxAtillaxX · Before February 2015

Pyromaniac wrote:

I can agree with that. But I think he meant that Christianity is ignorance, which you are entitled to believe.
This is why I don't understand why you insist on bashing Christianity. Because I was raised not to do that to another persons belief system, and apparently you were not.

I did not say a single word about Christianity in my post. I merely said many ignorant claims are religious in nature.
I shudder if you think every persons claims being accepted is okay.
If I said something ridiculous, it would be more respectful for others to refute me, which is an adult and intelligent thing to do.
I enjoy understanding and learning truth, thus I don't 'take things personally', so to speak.

Superfly · Before February 2015

Atilla wrote:

If I said something ridiculous, it would be more respectful for others to refute me, which is an adult and intelligent thing to do.

What is "ridiculous" could be subjective, so you should be careful. I think that it would be ridiculous if you said "Asians are terrible people and should be segregated"; it would be right for people to refute you because all races should be and are created equal. I also think that it would be ridiculous if you said "Flappy Bird is one of the best games ever created". However, this is a matter of personal preference, and starting arguments over it wouldn't be "adult and intelligent". They would be stupid and childish.

Last edited by Superfly (Feb 23 2014 11:22:04 pm)

XxAtillaxX · Before February 2015

Superfly wrote:

Atilla wrote:
If I said something ridiculous, it would be more respectful for others to refute me, which is an adult and intelligent thing to do.
I also think that it would be ridiculous if you said "Flappy Bird is one of the best games ever created". However, this is a matter of personal preference, and starting arguments over it wouldn't be "adult and intelligent". They would be stupid and childish.

Nowhere did I say that starting an argument is necessary for every statement. It clearly isn't.
Also, I must ask why you believe that someones religious beliefs are to be held higher than any other.
Because, they aren't and they ought not to be, nor will it in any civilized society.

Last edited by XxAtillaxX (Feb 24 2014 12:06:43 am)

Different55 · Before February 2015

XxAtillaxX wrote:

It's human nature - albeit not acceptable - to get upset after being proven wrong.
In order to help diminish that trait, having a soft tone and understanding as well as an un-intriguing stance might help.

Not sure how this relates. Who is being proven wrong anywhere? All that's happening is "God is illogical" "Negative reactions" "Complaints" "More complaints" "More stuff" "Less stuff" "Upside down stuff" "Stuff" and a lot of drama. You can't prove anything to be anything with words alone. You need something to back it up. Sometimes you can back it up with common knowledge or just common sense but "God is illogical" isn't going to cut it for anyone unless they already agree with you. Not even someone with a completely impartial, unbiased viewpoint would agree with something like that. But this is all acting as if you were stating a fact, or starting a debate instead of voicing your opinion.
Maybe the reason you're getting a negative reaction is because it almost seems like you're trying to convince the people who disagree with that short statement, instead of it looking like you're simply sharing your opinion like you say you were trying to do. What might make people less negative is if you posted something more than 3 words so there could be a discussion. Stating it the way you did only allows for repetitive contradiction. Either that or changing your rhetoric so that it doesn't seem like a half-hearted attack/statement/declaration-of-war-against-all-christianity-and-maybe-buddhism-because-why-not/thing.

It's midnight, I'm tired, goodnight forums.

Last edited by Different55 (Feb 24 2014 12:28:39 am)

XxAtillaxX · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

XxAtillaxX wrote:
It's human nature - albeit not acceptable - to get upset after being proven wrong.
In order to help diminish that trait, having a soft tone and understanding as well as an un-intriguing stance might help.
1400 word wall of text

I'm not pointing towards anyone being wrong, nor am I attacking anyone who believes in a deity.
You seem to be getting upset that I'm not writing walls of text or getting upset. This is the kind of thing I'm referring to, and you just proved my point.
Please read what I've posted when you're not tired. You clearly haven't read what I've written.
My arguments and opinions are clean and concise, I prefer to keep it that way.

Different55 · Before February 2015

But dood I'm not even mad/upset/any of the things you say I seem to be. I completely understand that you're nut pointing/attacking/any of the things you said I thought you were doing. So I'm bit really sure how I proved your point or if I'm still proving your point if all those things you said I seemed to be thinking/feeling were based on misunderstanding. Anyway, most of that wall of text was actually directed at Calicara. Somewhere in the first half of that, "you" switched from Atilla to Calicara, which is probably at least part of the reason why there was so much misunderstanding. Anyway, 6 hours of sleep and a pop tart later I'm feeling more awake, still confused slightly by your post (specifically the part where you said it's respectful to refute claims. It isn't, and never has been respectful. Like you said, people get upset when proven wrong.), and am still standing by what I said when I was slightly less awake.
EDIT: The point I was trying to make in my last post was that nobody's bring proven wrong here or anywhere.
As for the walls of text, that's an accident. All the posts I've made in this topic were made on a phone, so you can be reasonably sure that I didn't set out to write a book when I started. Long posts just sort of happen because I go back and rewrite and add more stuff as I go along. I really couldn't care less how long other people's posts are as long as they contribute to the discussion in some way.

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