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Conspiracy Theories

Does anyone here think that the vast majority of them are completely stupid and are against social progress? Or do you think conspiracies are true, and think you are part of some revolution?
In my opinion the vast majority of conspiracy theorists are nothing more than idiots. I also think that the people who believe in these kind of schemes are the same type of people who voted the Nazis in, because they will accept any ideology or 'fact' if it sounds convenient, or if it is repeated enough. This opinion also conveniently relates to Holocaust deniers, another group of idiots. Furthermore, I think that conspiracy theorists as a whole are actually slowing down social progress, as they divert issues such as radical Islamic views shown in 9/11, and instead focus on weird and crazy plots.

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Koto

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This is coming from well-known reputable people who work in the Architect and Engineering field.   Do you really think that many credible people would make up crap, especially when the way things supposedly happened would literally be impossible?

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treejoe4

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This is coming from well-known reputable people who work in the Architect and Engineering field.   Do you really think that many credible people would make up crap, especially when the way things supposedly happened would literally be impossible?

You want to know what I think?
So what.
There are thousands upon thousands of engineers across the planet, a relatively small group arguing doesn't mean anything. Especially when you take in the fact that the people who actually constructed the towers and the surrounding buildings aren't the ones arguing that it is a conspiracy. But I guess anyone who opposes you and your belief system must be a part of another scheme.
Additionally, the opinions of one group doesn't make something scientific fact, you need many different sources and evidence. Evidence of a conspiracy has never come to light, and before you counter this argument, show me 9/11's Edward Snowden. Here is a clue...(He doesn't exist.)

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The fact that you take everything they tell you at face value without looking into things on your own shows that you aren't someone who has put the proper effort to know what they are talking about.   Alot of conspiracy theories are freaking ridiculous, but honestly, how much do you actually know about this stuff.   That group has well over 1000 members, many of which ARE reputable.   I don't think you are part of a scheme, but I have personally seen even city-level politicians do some really shady stuff.   I don't believe everything they say, and I do look up things on my own.   It's when the explanation that they give us doesn't make sense that I start to question their actions.
Hell, there have been "conspiracies" that have been around that people dismissed that were later revealed to be factual.   Look things up yourself.

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Calicara

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I think, whether conspiracy theories are true or not, it won't make a huge difference in my life. Even if certain parts of my life are controlled by government or whatever, I don't care. As long as the government isn't covering up something like the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, I see no reason to get in a huff.
Besides, most conspiracy theories don't have any empirical evidence to back them up. They are as they say they are, theories.

Calicara

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Calicara, this thread is not for conspiracy theories in general, please post this in Treejoe's topic.

This is Treejoe's topic.

Fdoou

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Conspiracies are worth a good laugh, but when the people are serious, it just makes you shiver and walk away questioning people's sanity.

Koto

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Calicara, this thread is not for conspiracy theories in general, please post this in Treejoe's topic.

This is Treejoe's topic.

Sorry, going from topic to topic, got mixed up for asecond.

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treejoe4

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I think, whether conspiracy theories are true or not, it won't make a huge difference in my life. Even if certain parts of my life are controlled by government or whatever, I don't care. As long as the government isn't covering up something like the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, I see no reason to get in a huff.
Besides, most conspiracy theories don't have any empirical evidence to back them up. They are as they say they are, theories.

You cannot say they don't   make a huge difference.
In the west banks do not have enough regulations, they are pretty much free to trade with the public's money to make themselves rich. Then they are bailed out with public money.   You cannot say that issues in this area won't effect you and the rest of the public.
@KingOfTheOzone

Taking things at face value from many areas of science is not a sign of a 'sheep'. Someone like yourself may look at the analysis of the ash and debris released from the buildings, where they claim to prove it contains explosive residue. And you may agree with these scientists. You took this as face value fact, when it is not something backed up by other scientists.

You can't look at these people then claim it is fact, when nearly everyone disagrees with you.

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Koto

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I never mentioned the word 'sheep' or anything about explosive residue from debris from the buildings.   Those are both things your brought up, nothing that I ever mentioned.   Hell, if a plane crashed, I would expect there to be some sort of explosion, so that makes no sense.     If you know anything about building destruction you would realize that the way the fell was probably from an implosion, which would explain why the debis was not more spread out, as it should have been, especially if the center support system was that badly damaged by the flames from the plane crash.   It wouldn't have simply fallen directly downwards, it fell in a similar manner as buildings that they implode for demolition all the time.

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treejoe4

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I never mentioned the word 'sheep' or anything about explosive residue from debris from the buildings.   Those are both things your brought up, nothing that I ever mentioned.   Hell, if a plane crashed, I would expect there to be some sort of explosion, so that makes no sense.     If you know anything about building destruction you would realize that the way the fell was probably from an implosion, which would explain why the debis was not more spread out, as it should have been, especially if the center support system was that badly damaged by the flames from the plane crash.   It wouldn't have simply fallen directly downwards, it fell in a similar manner as buildings that they implode for demolition all the time.

What the hell are you talking about? 'If you know anything about building destruction'. Now you are diagnosing your self as an expert?
The explosive residue I was talking about was the absurd claim of thermite in the ash of the towers, which is not a backed up claim.

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Have you ever seen a building demolished with your own eyes in real life?   I'm betting not.   They implode buildings so that they fall in a downward trajectory, so that surrounding buildings aren't damaged.   Two buildings that tall, that would have fallen due to the main support system being damaged should have caused alot more damage to surrounding buildings.

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Have you ever seen a building demolished with your own eyes in real life?   I'm betting not.   They implode buildings so that they fall in a downward trajectory, so that surrounding buildings aren't damaged.   Two buildings that tall, that would have fallen due to the main support system being damaged should have caused alot more damage to surrounding buildings.

They did cause damage to the surrounding buildings, such as WTC 7.

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...and if you look things up on your own, there were over 100 reports of fire inside WTC 7 before either of the other collapsed.   The only other building damaged, enough to collapse.

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Ok, personally, as far as I'm aware, conspiracy theories have not affected MY life. I actually live quite comfortably, with a slightly above average college education. As conceited as this sounds, I tend to only worry about the things that effect me. Conspiracies theories haven't effected me directly so I have not seen the need to worry about them. If however I find myself in a situation in which the needs arises for me to be aware of such information I would do my best to be educated on the manner. Likewise, if my friend or a close acquaintance was in a situation in which required information about a certain conspiracy, I would do my best to be well informed. I don't have time to worry about every scam/scandal/conspiracy that every existed in history.

Koto

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Again, I'm going to mention the holocaust, because it's one of the few examples that I could give that would make sense to people.   If you were a Jewish person in Germany with that same opinion about it "not effecting me", you would have been walled in Germany and one of the people cowering in their attics with no escape.   The smart people noticed things going on before hand and left before it escalated to the point where it would directly effect them.

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treejoe4

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...and if you look things up on your own, there were over 100 reports of fire inside WTC 7 before either of the other collapsed.   The only other building damaged, enough to collapse.

But there was still damage.
There is no point arguing with you now, because I can simply say it collapsed due to the weakened, but you believe in the internet so you won't ever think you may be wrong.
Failgirl if you are not interested in the goings on historically, socially, economically until it becomes obvious and it personally effects you, then you are a selfish individual and not deserving of the comforts of society provided by the effort of everyone else.   I have no reason to stand up for you rights if you not willing to find the truth behind many areas of society.

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Failgirl if you are not interested in the goings on historically, socially, economically until it becomes obvious and it personally effects you, then you are a selfish individual and not deserving of the comforts of society provided by the effort of everyone else.   I have no reason to stand up for you rights if you not willing to find the truth behind many areas of society.

I never asked you to stand up for my rights. Frankly I'm content to live for me, my family, my friends, and acquaintances. If something is not effecting me, I see no reason to research it. For example, if I so wanted to I'm sure I could find plenty of information and academic articles on marine biology, but I have no intention to be a marine biologist. So what use is such information to me? I cannot know everything, nor do I intend to know everything.
Furthermore, you are making the assumption that finding truth behind different areas of society is the only viable lifestyle to exist. I think a person can equally live a fulfilled life without knowing many things about society. I do agree people shouldn't turn a blind eye to terrorism, but at the same time it's also impossible to eradicate terrorism. So which should I do? Devote my life to fighting ignorance or terrorism, or devote my life to another area of society of equal importance, like environmental studies, literary theory, or just taking care of my friends and family? No one can tell me how to live my life but me, and as long as I'm not hurting other on purpose I don't see what is so selfish about that.

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I never said you couldn't live that way, but if you choose to ,then you should remove yourself from many aspects of society. The attitude you have is the reason why wars, hatred, bigotry, and instability of society still exists. Because the opinion you have is the same opinion which allowed Jews to be persecuted.
If we are to have a world that is sustainable, and has a high quality of life, everyone needs to be a part of finding the truths, the evil, and the way forward to a better world. Do you understand why I think your opinions as mildly sociopathic. Quite frankly, there is no reason why you should even begin to give your opinions on religion and other matters.
Neil de Grasse Tyson gets it:

“For me, I am driven by two main philosophies: know more today about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you.”

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^ I totally agree with that post, though.   There is a guy in Florida who loaned his friend his car, and went to bed, and later found out that his friend used his car as a part of a robbery that turned into a murder, and was put in jail for life with no chance of parole.   The reality is, anything can happen that is out of your control.   If something like that happened to you, I guarantee you would need to rely on people standing up for your rights, which is something you aren't willing to do, so why should you be entitled to receive help that you are so ignorant to not give?

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^ I totally agree with that post, though.   There is a guy in Florida who loaned his friend his car, and went to bed, and later found out that his friend used his car as a part of a robbery that turned into a murder, and was put in jail for life with no chance of parole.   The reality is, anything can happen that is out of your control.   If something like that happened to you, I guarantee you would need to rely on people standing up for your rights, which is something you aren't willing to do, so why should you be entitled to receive help that you are so ignorant to not give?

It is not just ignorance, it is a mixture of cynical attitudes and a lack of empathy and enlightenment.

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I never said you couldn't live that way, but if you choose to ,then you should remove yourself from many aspects of society. The attitude you have is the reason why wars, hatred, bigotry, and instability of society still exists. Because the opinion you have is the same opinion which allowed Jews to be persecuted.
If we are to have a world that is sustainable, and has a high quality of life, everyone needs to be a part of finding the truths, the evil, and the way forward to a better world. Do you understand why I think your opinions as mildly sociopathic. Quite frankly, there is no reason why you should even begin to give your opinions on religion and other matters.

The goal you seek, to find a better world, is unobtainable. You will spend you whole life working toward this goal of a world free of evils, but the most you can do is lessen the pains of others. In the end everyone is going to die at some point in their life, so why should I be bound to only the lifestyle in which I much sacrifice myself to help others?
If you must know it has always been my life goal to make video games. However I am also aware video games contribute little to nothing to the advancement of society (I'm speaking like Video games you play on the computer, not educational games.) Knowing that information doesn't deter me from my goals. I am stubborn, I can be vain, and frankly I don't like dealing with drama so I stay out of it (except for on these forums apparently). But, I do not hurt others, I am open to new ideas, and I do my best to be a good person. If that makes me mildly sociopathic in your eyes so be it.
The world always needs more educated people, but I also think it needs people who are kind. Doctors, scientists, educators, etc... will always try their best to improve the conditions of society, but not every person is fit to fill those roles. Since I am not good with math or chemistry, and don't have aspirations to lead others, the most I can do is be accepting of ideas that are good and share them with others.
P.S. I am aware of how vain this post sounds, and since I don't like to reiterate it will probably be my last. I have not much more to say on the manner, and it' already going off topic anyways.

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i like conspiracy theories that are jokes, but when people are serious then they're stupid.

treejoe4

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A world that little evil is only unobtainable because of people like you Failgirl.

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in

Has anyone ever heard of this, http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

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Yes, because me being kind to people and helping my friends is truly evil. I'll remember just how evil I am when I'm older, and though perhaps have not made a difference to society, have made a difference to my community.