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Calicara

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Fan-Fiction

Is it just me or does fan-fiction seem really pointless? I've watched a few videos which are documentaries about fandoms. Most people who write fan-fiction use the defense it is a writing of passion. Personally I don't see the value in fan-fiction, because whether it is good or not, for starters you are using characters which are not yours so you cannot claim to own the work, second it's impossible to make any royalties off of it since it's not original work.
I might also mention I am indifferent to fandoms. I will admit to indulging in much to much My Little Pony merchandise, but I do not indulge in fan activities such as fan-art, fac-fics, cosplay, or comic-cons. I think it's ok to like certain characters, but I don't feel comfortable using something that isn't mine in an idea which I have. Seems to me if someone has an idea they think is really good they should use it for original content.

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Ratburntro44

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People write fan-fiction to carry out the plotlines they want to see with the characters. People read it because they want to see more plotlines with the characters. (for both cases this does include explicit plots that would never show up in the original work) I don't think the point is to try to make money or claim that they own it.

Calicara

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People write fan-fiction to carry out the plotlines they want to see with the characters. People read it because they want to see more plotlines with the characters. (for both cases this does include explicit plots that would never show up in the original work) I don't think the point is to try to make money or claim that they own it.

Why even write it to begin with then? Fan-fiction isn't canon, it's just made up story arcs which will never be in the show. Plus it fuels false fanon within communities that often leads to cries of anguish when fan theories are crushed by shows actual canon.
Meh... My real issue is with shipping. I despise shipping with a passion. My greatest fear about being an author is that people ship my characters. I'm probably going to be one of those grouchy producers vehemently against fanon.

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Fdoou

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Re: Fan-Fiction

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Breadfinn

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Re: Fan-Fiction

Is it just me or does this topic seem really pointless?

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nathskiix7811

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fanfiction is correcting problems within the canon (such as killing off a character) and playing with characters that you enjoy in the original media
it's like a sandbox. you got a box. and it's sand. and you can make a castle or something in it but you're still within a box.
it allows you to explore things not explicitly mentioned in canon.

Calicara

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Is it just me or does this topic seem really pointless?

I do not know what you are implying

fanfiction is correcting problems within the canon (such as killing off a character) and playing
with characters that you enjoy in the original media
it's like a sandbox. you got a box. and it's sand. and you can make a castle or something in it but you're still within a box.
it allows you to explore things not explicitly mentioned in canon.

Fan-fiction also only makes sense within the context of a certain canon. If you are not familiar with the canon you cannot participate in fan-fiction. Furthermore, fan-fiction will never be real canon, so why pretend fanon is a thing? I watched an interview with Megan McCarthy about the future of MLP, and she stated the creators are not even allowed to read it, it is illegal. If people can are so intent on writing, then why not address a real contemporary issue instead of an imaginary one?

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Fdoou

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goddammnit reply to me i'm trying to be intelligent!

Calicara

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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Fan-fiction is not imitation. It is crudely written fiction which looks at imaginary issues that only make sense in the context of a certain canon. It's often poorly written with overused and cliche themes. Besides, and I've said above, the authors of canons are not allowed to read the fan-fiction, because if the show/book were to imitate a fan work they could get in trouble for copyright issues.
Furthermore, even if there is a good fan-fiction, it cannot be used for any monetary compensation, nor used to represent any contemporary issues (because again, it only makes sense in the context of a canon), therefore I think it is a waste of time.

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Breadfinn

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Is it just me or does this topic seem really pointless?

I do not know what you are implying

Fan-Fictions have more point than this topic. It is simply done to entertain someone. This topic is not. I will not answer to your replys to avoid sparking arguments.

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Calicara

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It is simply done to entertain someone

You don't have to respond, and it is understandable. I would just like to make one more argument against fan-fiction which hopefully seems more plausible.
Even after taking Existentialism I have come to the conclusion it is impossible to tell someone how they ought to live. However, there are certain lifestyles which are better than others. My favorite of those being the one described by Camus. Assuming you are atheist, no one can tell you how to live, and since life is short we can either choose to pleasure ourselves (being the aesthete) or fight back against the fleeting of humanity by doing all we can in our lifetime to improve the human condition.
From my experience with the internet, it would seem there is an overwhelming appeal the the life of the aesthete, and Camus would refer to that as the plague. The aesthetic life is the plague, because the aesthetic life does not lead to lasting happiness. The aesthete is one who strives for immediate pleasure through entertainment, but that pleasure cannot be maintained forever and thus it is always fleeting. One who is the aesthete makes no commits to life and is only concerned with ones own pleasure. Those who write fan-fictions are the aesthetes. They write it for their own self pleasure. Fan-fiction has no literary value or purpose other than to please the aesthete or his peers. It contributes nothing to the improvement of the human condition.
Literature on the other hand, in my opinion, is a work that forces audiences to address contemporary issue. My favorite form of this would be satire, like The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain. Mind you this book is banned in several schools due the usage of a certain word, yet it is one of the best books I have read thus far addressing the issue of race and ignorance in America. Literature works to improve the human condition by making its audiences aware of the issues which exist in the world today. It also speaks in a more general canon to reach a wider range of audiences. As a creative writing major I think literature is important to help explain and explore issues which are pervasive in the empirical world, fan-fiction is written in the premises of a world which does not exist and is only done so to fulfill a self pleasure to fill in a missing or otherwise desired part of a canon.
To defend fan-fiction is to defend those who would rather ignore the world around them in lieu of a delusional fantasy world. I often speak from the voice of the aesthete, because I have not yet made a commitment in my life. However, while I am struggling to take the leap from aesthetic pleasure to commitment, I take care not to fall too far back into my own fantasies. Ignoring the world around you isn't going to make it any better, and in fact ignoring contemporary issue doesn't make you any better than those who are the root of these same problems (ie: Racism, Sexism, Classism).
P.S. I am also aware that this post pretty much contradicts everything I've ever said on these forums ever, but I feel it is the only plausible argument against fan-fiction, and so if I must betray my pseudonym for my true nature than so be it.
P.S.S. I recommend anyone who disagrees with me to read the Rebel by Albert Camus. It is an amazing book.

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theditor

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i think fan-fiction people should be...hmmm..executed? thats the soloution to everything isnt it

Calicara

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i think fan-fiction people should be...hmmm..executed? thats the soloution to everything isnt it

Well no. The idea isn't to eradicate ignorance though execution, it is to eradicate ignorance through education. If we, as a society, make the aesthetic lifestyle more and more socially acceptable more and more people will fall back into its pleasures because in many ways it provides a sense of security. Is it not easier to live a life by someone elses standards? Yet this life cannot be entirely fulfilling, because you are ignoring issues of society which are constructed around you and pretending that they do not exist.
If you know there is a problem, and you do not try to fix it, then you are no better than the one who created the problem to begin with.

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Koto

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If you know there is a problem, and you do not try to fix it, then you are no better than the one who created the problem to begin with.

Yeah, but we're talking about fan-fiction, not Genocide or Rape.

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Calicara

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If you know there is a problem, and you do not try to fix it, then you are no better than the one who created the problem to begin with.

Yeah, but we're talking about fan-fiction, not Genocide or Rape.

Every day someone writes a fan-fiction, someone in some part of the world is dying of starvation or injustice.

treejoe4

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Failgirl, why do you feel the need to create this huge paragraphs? Nobody wants to read that much, it's boring and extremely pretentious. You are not that interesting to capture that much attention for that long.

Fan fiction is typically made by nerds about stuff they like, there is no argument, that's it. Stop trying to force your 'intellectual' opinions to this forum on inane issues such as this.

Jesus, argument was destroyed by Addi in one sentence.

Calicara

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Failgirl, why do you feel the need to create this huge paragraphs? Nobody wants to read that much, it's boring and extremely pretentious. You are not that interesting to capture that much attention for that long.

Fan fiction is typically made by nerds about stuff they like, there is no argument, that's it. Stop trying to force your 'intellectual' opinions to this forum on inane issues such as this.

Jesus, argument was destroyed by Addi in one sentence.

Why do you feel the need to write here when you know your opinion is not welcome. Jesus why do you waste your time if you do not care about what I think. Shoo Treegoist4.

treejoe4

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I feel pity for you, that is why

Calicara

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I feel pity for you, that is why

No need. I choose to be who I am in society, so you are just gonna have to deal with it whether you like it or not.

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Koto

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If you know there is a problem, and you do not try to fix it, then you are no better than the one who created the problem to begin with.

Yeah, but we're talking about fan-fiction, not Genocide or Rape.

Every day someone writes a fan-fiction, someone in some part of the world is dying of starvation or injustice.

I'm sorry but that comment had no point other than to provide meaningless babble as a "comment" to my statement.

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Calicara

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Actually my post had everything to do with your comment. I am against fan-fiction because I think it is a waste of time. You said it might be a waste of time, but it is not bad like genocide or rape. I am saying it is, because by writing fan-fiction you are ignoring those same contemporary issues. While one sits back and writes a useless fan-fiction, someone in some part of the world is being subjective to extreme violence. So the question is, do you continue to write fantasy stories, or wake up and take part in the world around you?

Koto

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You've already said in past topics that you don't care about issues that don't affect your life.   Why should fan-fiction be something you'd want to talk about if that were the case.   Last I checked you don't own any rights to a franchise that gets enough fan-fiction written about it to be an issue and need discussion.

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Re: Fan-Fiction

Failgirl, why do you feel the need to create this huge paragraphs? Nobody wants to read that much, it's boring and extremely pretentious. You are not that interesting to capture that much attention for that long.

Fan fiction is typically made by nerds about stuff they like, there is no argument, that's it. Stop trying to force your 'intellectual' opinions to this forum on inane issues such as this.

Jesus, argument was destroyed by Addi in one sentence.

Why do you feel the need to write here when you know your opinion is not welcome. Jesus why do you waste your time if you do not care about what I think. Shoo Treegoist4.

Why do you waste your time making these topics, when you already know that the majority of the forum doesn't care about what you think? Shoo Califail101.

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Calicara

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You've already said in past topics that you don't care about issues that don't affect your life.   Why should fan-fiction be something you'd want to talk about if that were the case.   Last I checked you don't own any rights to a franchise that gets enough fan-fiction written about it to be an issue and need discussion.

I care about people insofar as they support my work, but I do not care for them when they try to take over my canon with their fanon.

Why do you waste your time making these topics when you already know that the majority of the forum doesn't care about what you think? Shoo Califail101.

To spread intellectual and philosophical thoughts that I have learned. I'm taking a hiatus soon though for summer vacation.

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Koto

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Even if what someone wrote, it's meant to be enjoyed in that moment, and doesn't have to fit.     Please learn to appreciate the smaller things in life, like a kid writing a made up story about his favorite cartoon, then come back to me for meaningful discussion.

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