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GKAbyss

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Re: A tale of school uniform

Just because there are campaigns for pedophilia to be tolerated does not mean it will be tolerated.
I am watching the video now but I may not have enough time to finish it.

Again, just because people who are of the LGBT community are tolerated does not mean that pedophilia will be tolerated.

I gtg but will finish post later

If you mean respect by admiration, then I agree that that being something does not elicit respect. I would also agree that I would not necessarily respect someone for acting whoever(?)/however they wanted. Based on the definition that pops up on google for tolerate: "allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference", I would say that LGBT people deserve tolerance. I would agree with you that people acting whoever/however they want does not necessarily warrant tolerance. I will quickly note that I will not include respect in these examples because what different people choose to admire is a subjective matter. For example, a person who is trying to annoy you by stealing your stuff does not warrant tolerance by doing whatever they want.   A person who is dressing in clothes usually worn by the opposite gender I would say warrants tolerance. Due to wearing of the opposing gender's clothes not affecting anyone, it should be tolerated. I do not see why something that does not affect you should not be tolerated. I would argue that a person who wishes to engage in a relationship of pedophilia (IDK how to refer to it) does not warrant tolerance because the child could( is likely? IDK) be harmed.

IDK if my logic is flawed, sorry if it is, and please point it out. I guess my argument is that something should be tolerated in the event that it causes no harm, and that it should not be tolerated if it does cause harm. I may have used bad examples.

I have not commented on whether pride parades are effective. I think that unless it is an area where nudity is legal, then people should not be nude while participating in the parades.

I have next to watch the video you posted.

Last edited by GKAbyss (Aug 14 2014 4:52:20 pm)

Calicara

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Re: A tale of school uniform

@tree: Writing this from my phone so it will be brief. I will also watch that posted video later. I just had a brief response to your comment about naked men running in the street supporting LGBT rights.

Have you heard of the term columbusing? You can look it up, but basically it's when a person or group of people try to celebrate a part of someone else's culture but they end up doing it incorrectly an sometimes end up looking offensive. The truth is that most of these people are just trying to celebrate a culture in the only way they know how, and rarely it is their intention to hurt someone else. LGBT parades are meant to celebrate LGBT rights, and those whom you claim are a bad influence on society (naked men) are simply misinterpreting the purpose of the celebration. A single person does not necessarily represent an entire group of people. You need to look beyond the ignorant followers to the heart of the cause. I'm sure for every one moron running naked there are many more legitimate people who do appropriately represent the meaning of what it means to be LGBT.

If that isn't enough though please also consider, everyone interprets different ideologies in different ways. There is no one way to celebrate an idea as I said before there is no good or bad only better or worse.

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Calicara

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Re: A tale of school uniform

I'm making a separate post in regards to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnFHp2MagJs
Like most slander I am positive these interviews were hand picked from a selection in order to place shame upon those who take part of something they enjoy. I am thoroughly disgusted that anyone would go around asking those questions to begin with, but even so it seemed as if most people answered with their honest opinions to which I applaud them.
It is not Ron Stewarts or anyone's job to tell people how to live their life. So what if a few bronies life with their parents, and so what if they prefer clop to real sexual activity? There is no set way in which one should have to live their life. While some people prefer to celebrate masculinity in the traditional role, there are others who prefer to be more feminine or even androgynous. Also, while I do think clop is disgusting, I don't find it disturbing at all that they are most attracted to pony ****. A lot people would be attracted to any **** regardless of color. If you find **** disturbing, then it sucks to be you. You aren't the only person in the world.
It's clear to me you spend way too much time seeing things from a one sided perspective. If you go out and explore and meet some of these people whom you so seem to hate, bronies/artists etc... you will find they are not so bad as the internet makes them out to be. Have a little empathy, because these people are more than faces and voices on a screen. They have feelings like us, dreams like us, and desires like us, so there is no reason to alienate them because they're worldviews don't match up to yours.
"The world in which you were born is just one model of reality. Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you; they are unique manifestations of the human spirit.”
-Wade Davis

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Fdoou

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Re: A tale of school uniform

failgirl trying too hard

treejoe4

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Re: A tale of school uniform

Wow Failgirl, absolutely brilliant. Instead of actually finding a logical reason to say why I am wrong, you just went into a hippy 'muh-feelings' style rant on freedom. You actually said that bronies and naked men running down the street can be compared to normal behaviour. Wow, I am amazed at your ego fueled mental gymnastics.

Seriously Failgirl the people in these videos were complete, almost mentally ill losers who leech of the government and their parents to pursue a life long obsession with pixels. They are the result of failed parenting, not a unique representation of how kewl humans are.

And to GKA:
'I do not see why something that does not affect you should not be tolerated.'
It's not about me, it's about society.

All this muh-feelings stlye logic just promotes what people WANT, rather than what they NEED.

GKAbyss

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Re: A tale of school uniform

Does this mean you want people to only do things that benefit society?

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Calicara

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Re: A tale of school uniform

Seriously Failgirl the people in these videos were complete, almost mentally ill losers who leech of the government and their parents to pursue a life long obsession with pixels. They are the result of failed parenting, not a unique representation of how kewl humans are.

Ron Stewart isn't any better either by criticizing how other people live. I personally think clop is disgusting but it's none of my business. You don't encourage good behavior by discouraging bad behavior, you do it by idealizing good behavior. When you make fun of someone or tell them they suck you are only encouraging them to try harder to **** you off.
Also, please stop comparing people you don't like to those who are mentally ill. Mental illness is a serious thing, and not comparable with just people you don't like.
So stop wasting your time, and stop being so ornery. All you are doing is slandering the names of things you don't like, and dehumanizing them for celebrating a culture. The way you live your life is no better than they way a brony lives his life. The only difference being the way in which you do it.

Last edited by Calicara (Aug 15 2014 10:33:44 am)

MaxDG/MXIII

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Re: A tale of school uniform

Wow Failgirl, absolutely brilliant. Instead of actually finding a logical reason to say why I am wrong, you just went into a hippy 'muh-feelings' style rant on freedom. You actually said that bronies and naked men running down the street can be compared to normal behaviour. Wow, I am amazed at your ego fueled mental gymnastics.

Seriously Failgirl the people in these videos were complete, almost mentally ill losers who leech of the government and their parents to pursue a life long obsession with pixels. They are the result of failed parenting, not a unique representation of how kewl humans are.

And to GKA:
'I do not see why something that does not affect you should not be tolerated.'
It's not about me, it's about society.

All this muh-feelings stlye logic just promotes what people WANT, rather than what they NEED.

Funny you mention the "ego fueled" mental gymnastics, when even your signature mentions that your logic is "unshakeable", which sounds very ego driven to me. I don't have anything against that but maybe people might agree with you more if you didn't use hypocritical arguments mixed in with the rest?
I think the only mention you made of how negative to society tolerance of them would be, was a slippery slope fallacy where you claimed it would lead to tolerance of pedophilia, but provided no logical reason for that to happen. It's just like when hateful Christians claim that gay marriage is going to lead to men getting married to animals.
Tolerance of pedophiles is never going to be very common. The reason it's so hated is because it involves adults with children, who are below the age of consent. You can see the clear difference between that, and people like transsexuals, right? There is no correlation between tolerance of transsexuals and tolerance of pedophiles.
If transsexuals don't affect you or anyone else, then why not "tolerate" them?

Fdoou

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Re: A tale of school uniform

i love treejoe's signature. it's something that effectively detects idiots.

skullz17

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Re: A tale of school uniform

How does this affect society in a negative way?

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Tachyonic

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Re: A tale of school uniform

I hope this topic turns into a scene out of a Jerry Springer episode by the end of this.

Fdoou

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Re: A tale of school uniform

messing with thousand year old definitions of masculinity/femininity

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Re: A tale of school uniform

that people keep arguing are biased and have many flaws

treejoe4

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Re: A tale of school uniform

Does this mean you want people to only do things that benefit society?

Sometimes progress needs machiavellian movements to provide technology, economic growth etc. But most things need more of a sustainable long term plan to really figure out the pros and cons for very large numbers of people. This not based on a extremist view point or ignorance.

Modern liberal movements involve LGBT, and these general groups of people are far too accepting of factors which do not directly effect them, just because of how cool it is to be tolerant. Thanks to these people Islam has spread across Europe, thanks to these people anyone can be a bigot, racist, homophobe, anti-semitic, Islamophobe, mysoginistic idiot for voicing an opinion. Look at their sheer hatred said in this thread, all because I think Sqaud would better off developing actual cognitive abilities in his youth rather than learning how to crossdress half the week. Yeah, what an **** I must be.

I think movements like these develop out of lust or a desire to be a special snowflake, regardless of the fact that the people who actually succeed in life aren't the ones calling themselves gender fluid and dancing naked in a LGBT parade. These people don't build Space Shuttles or provide the food that you buy, they work in Starbucks. It's a goddman waste of personality and a mockary of biological gender roles.

And Failgirl, the Jew's name is Howard Stern, what a poor attempt at irritating me. And my life is better than every single freak in that video, how dare you compare me to an 30 year old MLP collecter.

Last edited by treejoe4 (Aug 15 2014 10:16:54 am)

MaxDG/MXIII

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Re: A tale of school uniform

messing with thousand year old definitions of masculinity/femininity

A lot of things are thousands of years old. The Bible is. In no way does the fact that it's been around for so long mean it's necessarily the 100% correct way to go about things.

Does this mean you want people to only do things that benefit society?

Modern liberal movements involve LGBT, and these general groups of people are far too accepting of factors which do not directly effect them, just because of how cool it is to be tolerant. Thanks to these people Islam has spread across Europe, thanks to these people anyone can be a bigot, racist, homophobe, anti-semitic, Islamophobe, mysoginistic idiot for voicing an opinion. Look at their sheer hatred said in this thread, all because I think Sqaud would better off developing actual cognitive abilities in his youth rather than learning how to crossdress half the week. Yeah, what an **** I must be.

I think movements like these develop out of lust or a desire to be a special snowflake, regardless of the fact that the people who actually succeed in life aren't the ones calling themselves gender fluid and dancing naked in a LGBT parade. These people don't build Space Shuttles or provide the food that you buy, they work in Starbucks. It's a goddman waste of personality and a mockary of biological gender roles.

Just because two things are common ideaologies of a particular political affiliation, does not mean that everyone that identifies as one of them does not mean that hold all those ideologies. For example, you can be pro-guns and pro-choice at the same time, even though pro-guns is usually conservative and pro-choice is usually liberal.
How in the world can you be "too tolerant" of something that doesn't affect anyone? And how can that possibly be linked to Islam?
I don't see anywhere that anyone said anything hateful towards you in this thread. If anything, it's you that seems to hold a lack of respect for those you "don't tolerate". What's your purpose with this? Do you want people who don't agree with you to agree with you, or are you just arguing to look smart and get praise from those who agree? Or do you just want a reaction?
If you actually care about the issue, you should want people to agree with you, but no more people will agree with you if you're saying they're wasting personality, have a desire to be a special snowflake, and work at Starbucks.

Calicara

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Re: A tale of school uniform

And Failgirl, the Jew's name is Howard Stern, what a poor attempt at irritating me. And my life is better than every single freak in that video, how dare you compare me to an 30 year old MLP collecter.

You are right there one difference. At least bronies are good people. They donate to charity, take care of each other, and try to genuinely spread the message of the empowering effects of friendship and kindness. Yea there are always a few rotten apples (cloppers), but that can be said for pretty much any organized group of people in society.

Last edited by Calicara (Aug 15 2014 10:41:15 am)

Fdoou

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Re: A tale of school uniform

those few rotten apples are more like an orchard of rotten apples

sthegreat

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Re: A tale of school uniform

messing with thousand year old definitions of masculinity/femininity

plsno. People thought the earth was flat for hundreds of years, should we have messed with that?

Sometimes progress needs machiavellian movements to provide technology, economic growth etc. But most things need more of a sustainable long term plan to really figure out the pros and cons for very large numbers of people. This not based on a extremist view point or ignorance.
Modern liberal movements involve LGBT, and these general groups of people are far too accepting of factors which do not directly effect them, just because of how cool it is to be tolerant. Thanks to these people Islam has spread across Europe, thanks to these people anyone can be a bigot, racist, homophobe, anti-semitic, Islamophobe, mysoginistic idiot for voicing an opinion. Look at their sheer hatred said in this thread, all because I think Sqaud would better off developing actual cognitive abilities in his youth rather than learning how to crossdress half the week. Yeah, what an **** I must be.
I think movements like these develop out of lust or a desire to be a special snowflake, regardless of the fact that the people who actually succeed in life aren't the ones calling themselves gender fluid and dancing naked in a LGBT parade. These people don't build Space Shuttles or provide the food that you buy, they work in Starbucks. It's a goddman waste of personality and a mockary of biological gender roles.
And Failgirl, the Jew's name is Howard Stern, what a poor attempt at irritating me. And my life is better than every single freak in that video, how dare you compare me to an 30 year old MLP collecter.

If they want to be gender fluid, let them. It doesn't negatively affect you in any way, so why are you so against it.

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GKAbyss

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Re: A tale of school uniform

I think Treejoe is saying that people should not be focused on this so much, and that people should not tolerate everything they come across.

Fdoou

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Re: A tale of school uniform

plsno. People thought the earth was flat for hundreds of years, should we have messed with that?

that definition didn't last through out all of human history, it died recently RIP

theditor

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Re: A tale of school uniform

This was about school uniforms guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fdoou

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Re: A tale of school uniform

aw man
we are so bad at simulation realistic conversation
oh wait

OrangeCrix

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Re: A tale of school uniform

messing with thousand year old definitions of masculinity/femininity

A lot of things are thousands of years old. The Bible is. In no way does the fact that it's been around for so long mean it's necessarily the 100% correct way to go about things.

So then you would agree that this is masculine?

Things like this cannot be considered masculine.

Image is from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTPTQNZQkhE

Last edited by OrangeCrix (Aug 15 2014 4:30:20 pm)

MaxDG/MXIII

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Re: A tale of school uniform

messing with thousand year old definitions of masculinity/femininity

A lot of things are thousands of years old. The Bible is. In no way does the fact that it's been around for so long mean it's necessarily the 100% correct way to go about things.

So then you would agree that this is masculine?

http://puu.sh/aU7a9/326d56a777.jpg

Things like this cannot be considered masculine.

Image is from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTPTQNZQkhE

Not sure that I do. I don't frequently use the word "masculine", so I'm not an expert at defining things as masculine based on the common definition of masculine. Why does it matter? All I'm saying is that the fact that our definitions of masculinity and femininity are thousands of years old, in no way suggests that they're correct. It's just a poor argument.

treejoe4

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Re: A tale of school uniform

@MaxDG/MXIII

You literally do not know what you are talking about. You indirectly compared the Bible to genetics.
Men and women differ due to the sex chromosomes, men have XY, women have XX. These chromosomes carry the genetic information to produce very different physical characteristics, from bone density to brain structure. The definitions of masculinity and femininity is carried in your cell's nucleus.

Humans, just like a heck of a lot of animals have basic gender roles. For example, the more sympathetic and emotional thought patterns of women allowed them to be the ones in charge of raising children, while the large size of men allowed them to hunt, to bring the fresh kill in. There is no abstract liberal thought pattern here, it's yin and yang, it's been part of the foundation of every single civilization that has ever existed.