A tale of school uniform

Tako · Before February 2015

treejoe4 wrote:

This behaviour does cause harm.
I've got a phrase for ya Tako.
'Stop acting like a freak and grow up'

Oh come on, put a little more effort into it.

I thought I was going to get something intelligible from you.

OrangeCrix · Before February 2015

*Raises paw* uhhhh.... please don't use that offensive "people" word. I consider myself to be an androgynous quasi-female pansexual wolfsoul. Your concept of throwing around the word "people" willy-nilly is greatly offensive to my personal conceptualizations of my unique self image, and addressing others by using a certain generic label such as "people" is traumatic to me on a deep personal level, I was shaken to the core by your judgmental words. Please be a little more considerate next time. Thanks!

Onjit · Before February 2015

^ this guy. go back to tumblr pls.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

you lost me at paw

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Calicara wrote:

treejoe4 wrote:
Tachyonic wrote:
As long as people have the ability to be catered to their unique characteristics and traits, if it causes no harm to the general public, then what's the big deal?
This behaviour does cause harm.
I've got a phrase for ya Tako.
'Stop acting like a freak and grow up'
Tree, you are on an online forum which encourages creativity. I get your point, but then why are you here? You are wasting your time trying to convince people to act how you want them to act. There are plenty of other places in which to express your concern for space and and the environment in which people would actually care. Your logic makes no sense.

Yeah I am really wasting my life here

My logic makes perfect sense, you will see it in the following decades to come, when the West's dignity, respect and strength collapses because people like you care more about liberal drivel like this than the real issues facing the West.

Last edited by treejoe4 (Aug 10 2014 5:32:03 pm)

Tako · Before February 2015

treejoe4 wrote:

My logic...

I'd rather look for a chupacrabra than your "unshakeable logic" in this thread.

Here, I'll do the searching for you. Here's a summary of your logic here:
There are more important things than androgyny rights.
Something about laws, which I still don't understand.
This is illegitimate.
More laws, except now I guess there are thousands of them.
More "This is illegitimate".
More laws.
Laws again.
"Strange laws" that you just refuse to obey.
Illegitimate; caused by internet; guitar is more important.

So your logic here seems to revolve around three ideas. (1) That androgyny rights would oppress other people by creating laws, (2) that it's illegitimate, and (3) that if you repeat yourself enough times, it must be true.

Here's my unshakeable logic: You're wrong on all three accounts, and you are incapable of forming a substantiated argument because you know that the evidence has already proved you wrong.

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

I haven't been proved wrong on anything. All you have done is explain how it is 'cool' and 'normal' to fight conformity on every level, and how something can be 'normal and 'okay' if it is done on a mass level. By your logic, the Nazis were okay.

Men and women exist for the sole purpose of the biological relationships that have evolved, which revolves around raising and protecting a family. There is no mixing, people are men or women, it's genetically determined by the X and Y chromosomes. Anyone who thinks for thousands upon thousands of years gender roles have only been socially placed is an idiot. Transexuals can't relate to their gender due to how they are raised, genetics, and differences in brain structure. Promoting these new trendy rights is encouraging more and more people to go through horrible mutilation, just to fit in to something that apparently was a social construct.

All of this drivel is a disgrace to to the amazing combined ability of masculinity and femininity, something which is being tainted by modern feminism and nonsense like this.

Men are women are apples and oranges, and try as hard as you like, an apple will never be an orange. That apple can pretend to be one, and act like one, but it will never truely be an orange.

Last edited by treejoe4 (Aug 10 2014 11:53:33 pm)

Calicara · Before February 2015

treejoe4 wrote:

Men are women are apples and oranges, and try as hard as you like, an apple will never be an orange. That apple can pretend to be one, and act like one, but it will never truely be an orange.

I think that comparison can only go so far though. Fruits do not have consciousness, fruits do not have choice. Fruits cannot think and reason in the way that human beings can, fruits cannot think at all. Humans are animals with complex thoughts and ideas which have been created over hundreds of years of reason.
It may have been easy at one point in society to define what is man and what is female, but that was a time when sex/gender were intertwined. However as I have said before that is no longer the case. One can be born male, and act like a female. True that male will never truly be a female, but he may find more peace in his life being able to act how he feels.
Humans spend such a short time on this earth surrounded by people who make them feel like they're worth something, who are you to take away someones inner peace for your ideals of how they should act. I doubt my little speech will do much to change your mind, but at least if you disagree be respectful. There is no right or wrong in this world, only better or worse.

Last edited by Calicara (Aug 11 2014 11:13:24 am)

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

Assuming that the surgeries all have risks now, I do not see any possible problems in the case that any surgeries' risks are reduced to close to zero possibility.
However I agree that people should put more effort into things like safer alternative energy sources and biological batteries than they do now.

Last edited by GKAbyss (Aug 11 2014 11:21:19 am)

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

Assuming that the surgeries all have risks now, I do not see any possible problems in the case that any surgeries' risks are reduced to close to zero possibility.
However I agree that people should put more effort into things like safer alternative energy sources and biological batteries than they do now.

It is not about the risk, if you actually know about what happens during the surgery then you would understand just how horrible it is. Look for yourself it is to disgusting to describe.

Failgirl, I will treat transexuals as the gender they indenitify with. But I will not act like it is natural nor would I continue to pander to people who suddenly think they are a wolf or a cat or a chick half the week. Before you know it, the year 2038 arrives and the gender tick box on a form has 20 different options and sits nexts to the species box.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

hahahahaha this isn't even about species

come on no one takes those fools seriously

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

treejoe4 wrote:

It is not about the risk, if you actually know about what happens during the surgery then you would understand just how horrible it is. Look for yourself it is to disgusting to describe.

If there is no risk, and the people really want to undergo the surgery, then I do not see the issue.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

yeah, most surgery is disgusting to look at, we shouldn't do surgery
qed

Calicara · Before February 2015

Treejoe4 wrote:

But I will not act like it is natural nor would I continue to pander to people who suddenly think they are a wolf or a cat or a chick half the week. Before you know it, the year 2038 arrives and the gender tick box on a form has 20 different options and sits nexts to the species box.

On a personal level I would agree that there are some sub gender and/or species identifications that are unnecessary, but I have just learned to ignore said people. I think they are in the minority of society.
Still, what we find acceptable as an identification has greatly changed over time. At one point it was only acceptable to get married to a person of the opposite gender, now there are many places in which it is acceptable to marry whomever you wish regardless of gender.
It is of my opinions humans should be able to self identify with whatever they wish, so long as that identification is of relation to homo sapiens, ie: A person should not be legally able to declare themselves as a fox/cat/pony etc... Furthermore, they should not be able to engage in unions with non homo sapiens such as a pet, or cartoon character. I also believe it should not be legal to leave large amounts of money to pets in a will, as it really makes no economic sense
However, I cannot tell other people how to lives and so all of these decisions should be theirs to make, not mine.

Last edited by Calicara (Aug 11 2014 4:13:20 pm)

OrangeCrix · Before February 2015

Perhaps you're all missing the real reason behind the addition to all of these new genders. Maybe the purpose of these is to keep the meanings of the male and female genders intact. Upon speculation of the gender issue, I realized that nobody would want to share the same gender as somebody that has modified their body to look like their preferred gender. It's very simple; men and women, how many of you would want to share the same gender identity as these people:

Transsexual:

?:

Probably not many of you want to be placed in the same category of these people. It's obviously because conservatives want to preserve the integrity of the original genders (Male/Female).

I do agree with Treejoe's points about how there are more important things such as preservation of the ecosystem. But really, will the butch ladies that are spokepersons of gender studies teams be able to aid in the research of the environment preservation. They'll be too busy calling the trees priveledged for never having to exercise and they get to stand there (living for hundreds of years) doing nothing their whole life. They'll stop once they realize that trees are monoecious and start yelling at something else.

Tako · Before February 2015

OrangeCrix wrote:

Perhaps you're all missing the real reason behind the addition to all of these new genders. Maybe the purpose of these is to keep the meanings of the male and female genders intact. Upon speculation of the gender issue, I realized that nobody would want to share the same gender as somebody that has modified their body to look like their preferred gender. It's very simple; men and women, how many of you would want to share the same gender identity as these people:
Transsexual:
Qy9EnZ14cY4
?:
6902vWku404
Probably not many of you want to be placed in the same category of these people. It's obviously because conservatives want to preserve the integrity of the original genders (Male/Female).
I do agree with Treejoe's points about how there are more important things such as preservation of the ecosystem. But really, will the butch ladies that are spokepersons of gender studies teams be able to aid in the research of the environment preservation. They'll be too busy calling the trees priveledged for never having to exercise and they get to stand there (living for hundreds of years) doing nothing their whole life. They'll stop once they realize that trees are monoecious and start yelling at something else.

Why are you talking about trees and ugly trans people?

Nobody said that "butch ladies" don't care about the rainforest. You misunderstood treejoe4 completely.

As for those videos, you would have a point, if they weren't cherry-picked and... disturbing. Trans people, believe it or not, can do a good job at being trans. But appearances are beside the point. The question is, should they be given rights in schools?

Noctis · Before February 2015

I still think Treejoe's argument on how people care so much on sexual influence is valid. Campaigns, donations, and even Kickstarter projects that try to raise awareness on things such as LGBT rights is just so stupid. Before people supposedly kept homosexual feelings to themselves, but now we have gay pride campaigns shoved into people's faces around the globe. Really people? I'm fine with gays / bis / trans et cetera to exist, but I really do not appreciate the fact that people are aggressively promoting sexual influence. Why? Because everyone knows about the LGBT already! What's happening now is LGBT rights are literally begging for people to turn lesbian / gay/ bi / transexual! I thought LGBT was made to influence and allow LGBT to co-exist with the rest of the world... Turns out I was mistaken.

Why spend millions of money around the world on LGBT campaigns if there are trees to save and endangered animals to help? If we humans are complex and powerful beings, we wouldn't need over a billion people helping us... I am going off-topic here, so I'll stop my blurbs.

Calicara · Before February 2015

Why spend millions of money around the world on LGBT campaigns if there are trees to save and endangered animals to help? If we humans are complex and powerful beings, we wouldn't need over a billion people helping us... I am going off-topic here, so I'll stop my blurbs.

I would agree in areas of the US that are liberal many of these campaigns are unnecessary, but there are still many parts of the US and the world which LGBT rights mean nothing compared to religious idealogies. How would you like it if someone told you to go to hell or your family exiled you just for following your own sexual desires. I have a friend whose parents tried to get her treatment because they found out she was bisexual.
Campaigns to support humans rights belong in places where those rights are being taken away. However, celebration of human rights such as LGBT pride parades are just as important, because they are reminders of just how far we've come as an accepting society. Perhaps they may not seem like much to you, but you have to consider the perspective of someone who is being oppressed. People don't usually care about their rights until they're taken away.

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Calicara wrote:

Why spend millions of money around the world on LGBT campaigns if there are trees to save and endangered animals to help? If we humans are complex and powerful beings, we wouldn't need over a billion people helping us... I am going off-topic here, so I'll stop my blurbs.
I would agree in areas of the US that are liberal many of these campaigns are unnecessary, but there are still many parts of the US and the world which LGBT rights mean nothing compared to religious idealogies. How would you like it if someone told you to go to hell or your family exiled you just for following your own sexual desires. I have a friend whose parents tried to get her treatment because they found out she was bisexual.
Campaigns to support humans rights belong in places where those rights are being taken away. However, celebration of human rights such as LGBT pride parades are just as important, because they are reminders of just how far we've come as an accepting society. Perhaps they may not seem like much to you, but you have to consider the perspective of someone who is being oppressed. People don't usually care about their rights until they're taken away.

'How would you like it if someone told you to go to hell'
They can say what they like, freedom of speech exists

LGBT parades are not a celebration of human rights, they are a celebration of LGBT rights.

Last edited by treejoe4 (Aug 13 2014 7:50:20 pm)

Calicara · Before February 2015

Treejoe4 wrote:

LGBT parades are not a celebration of human rights, they are a celebration of LGBT rights.

You know what I mean

EDIT: Also, I realize freedom of speech exists, but that doesn't make hate speech any less hurtful. Just use the westboro baptist church for example. They used freedom of speech to justify their disgusting views to others. Just because they can, does that make it ok? I don't think so...

Last edited by Calicara (Aug 13 2014 8:26:45 pm)

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Calicara wrote:

Treejoe4 wrote:
LGBT parades are not a celebration of human rights, they are a celebration of LGBT rights.
You know what I mean
EDIT: Also, I realize freedom of speech exists, but that doesn't make hate speech any less hurtful. Just use the westboro baptist church for example. They used freedom of speech to justify their disgusting views to others. Just because they can, does that make it ok? I don't think so...

They used the Bible to justify what they did, they didn't do it for fun.

Hate speech is still freedom of speech, if it is 99% drivel you cannot limit it. If people were more tolerant of people like Squad imagine where everything could end up, the ride doesn't stop.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

Where would it end up?

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

Where would it end up?

Paedophiles gaining rights is what I think it will end up with, and I don't mean allowing paedophiles do what they want, I just think it will end up with actual tolerance for how they think. Who knows where that may end up? Age of consent being lowered at some point decades later?

Along with the continued respect of sexual behaviour, future youth will lose dignity and innocence. Today I frequently female preteens and young teens dressing like sleasy adults, it sickens me.

Along with this is the loss of and the respect for masculinity and femininity. Two amazing things which have been like yin and yang for tens of thousands of years can now be seen as something which can be switched on a daily basis.

Today's social tolerance already allows thousands of adult males to flock to MLP conventions, imagine the west in 10, 20 years.

And while liberals slowly gain immense power, Islam slowly digs it's claws into Europe.....

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

That is a logical fallacy of slippery slope, so your conclusion is flawed. Aside from the fallacy, pedophilia is different from LGBT because it can (is likely?) to cause damage to people. There would be different arguments standing in the way of its acceptance.

I honestly do not know the issues of the second paragraph, but I think I can assume that it was happening independent of LGBT related campaigns/acceptance. Again it is a slippery slope argument.

This is a slippery slope argument. I still do not see why it is better for them to be separated, or how harm can be caused by allowing men to act like or become women, or women to act like or become men.

I do not see any issue with the age and sex of people at MLP conventions; it does not cause any harm (that I'm aware of).

Assuming that this all could happen as a result of tolerating people who are LGBT, the possibilities do not seem urgent enough and fast acting enough to warrant restricting tolerance of LGBT people for their prevention. Again, it is a slippery slope argument and I do not see how it is a direct effect of tolerating people who are LGBT.

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

That is a logical fallacy of slippery slope, so your conclusion is flawed. Aside from the fallacy, pedophilia is different from LGBT because it can (is likely?) to cause damage to people. There would be different arguments standing in the way of its acceptance.
I honestly do not know the issues of the second paragraph, but I think I can assume that it was happening independent of LGBT related campaigns/acceptance. Again it is a slippery slope argument.
This is a slippery slope argument. I still do not see why it is better for them to be separated, or how harm can be caused by allowing men to act like or become women, or women to act like or become men.
I do not see any issue with the age and sex of people at MLP conventions; it does not cause any harm (that I'm aware of).
Assuming that this all could happen as a result of tolerating people who are LGBT, the possibilities do not seem urgent enough and fast acting enough to warrant restricting tolerance of LGBT people for their prevention. Again, it is a slippery slope argument and I do not see how it is a direct effect of tolerating people who are LGBT.

Yeah yeah, sure it won't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnFHp2MagJs

Gays and Transexuals deserve rights, but acting whoever you want to be doesn't deserve respect nor tolerance.
Do you think people are going to be less homophobic after seeing a gay pride parade with naked men running down the street? This is the kind of behaviour supported by LGBT activists.

Last edited by treejoe4 (Aug 14 2014 11:47:53 am)

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