Are babies alive? (Fetus')

Fdoou · Before February 2015

they have that choice, don't they?

Jabatheblob1 · Before February 2015

Regardless if they're made of cells or not that doesn't clasify it living... I could take my liver out but it's not a living organism.

Different55 · Before February 2015

You keep on giving examples of things that aren't living organisms. So, in your opinion, what makes something "alive"?

Awesomenessgood · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

You keep on giving examples of things that aren't living organisms. So, in your opinion, what makes something "alive"?

Imo it's something which can grow? Or progress?

Fdoou · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

You keep on giving examples of things that aren't living organisms. So, in your opinion, what makes something "alive"?

fetus is too much like an organ to be considered alive
although you could say "abortion is OK until (whatever week cognition starts)"

Different55 · Before February 2015

Fdoou wrote:

Different55 wrote:
You keep on giving examples of things that aren't living organisms. So, in your opinion, what makes something "alive"?
fetus is too much like an organ to be considered alive
although you could say "abortion is OK until (whatever week cognition starts)"

in what was is it like an organ? organs usually have a purpose. a fetus is more like a parasite. a voluntary parasite.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

in the sense that it can't be detached or it will die

Different55 · Before February 2015

Not immediately, though. The same could be said about plants or people in comas or on life support.

Jabatheblob1 · Before February 2015

Awesomenessgood wrote:

Different55 wrote:
You keep on giving examples of things that aren't living organisms. So, in your opinion, what makes something "alive"?
Imo it's something which can grow? Or progress?

Growing is one of the factors that make something alive. "Cell Theory", used in the most cases is what is classified as life.

Different55 · Before February 2015

Jabatheblob1 wrote:

Awesomenessgood wrote:
Different55 wrote:
You keep on giving examples of things that aren't living organisms. So, in your opinion, what makes something "alive"?
Imo it's something which can grow? Or progress?
Growing is one of the factors that make something alive. "Cell Theory", used in the most cases is what is classified as life.

Do you use cell theory as your working definition of what things are alive?

Tachyonic · Before February 2015

Anything that is alive must have the ability to reproduce.
Unless I'm unaware, fetus' can't reproduce to create a fetus' fetus to further continue the fetus race.

Last edited by Tachyonic (Oct 25 2014 3:48:45 am)

Awesomenessgood · Before February 2015

Tachyonic wrote:

Anything that is alive must have the ability to reproduce.
Unless I'm unaware, fetus' can't reproduce to create a fetus' fetus to further continue the fetus race.

That's like saying tadpoles can't reproduce, so they're not alive.

skullz17 · Before February 2015

A tadpole is not a species. The factors that make things alive refers to the species as a whole, not a specific stage of its growth.

So yes, fetuses are alive, and it is murder. However, I think one has the choice of abortion and that it's okay to do it.

Last edited by skullz16 (Oct 25 2014 6:20:30 am)

Awesomenessgood · Before February 2015

skullz16 wrote:

A tadpole is not a species. The factors that make things alive refers to the species as a whole, not a specific stage of its growth.

That's like saying a fetus is not a species.
Which is true.
I didn't say tadpoles are a species, I was using a tadpole comparison to a fetus to what Tachyonic said.

Also abortion is discouraged by the law, so I'll just stick with that I guess. Who knows, that fetus could be the next Bill Gates or something. It's just a waste of potential if you do abortion.

Last edited by Awesomenessgood (Oct 25 2014 6:33:16 am)

Fdoou · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

Not immediately, though. The same could be said about plants or people in comas or on life support.

plants are different because they are not attached to a human
same can be said for people in comas and on life support

Different55 · Before February 2015

Fdoou wrote:

Different55 wrote:
Not immediately, though. The same could be said about plants or people in comas or on life support.
plants are different because they are not attached to a human
same can be said for people in comas and on life support

You know what I mean Mr. All of those things depend entirely on something else in order to survive, but can live a short time without them or it.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

so?
what about it

Jabatheblob1 · Before February 2015

Cell Theory is used vastly among many, one thing that is in the definition is, living on it's own. Fetus' can't live on their own until week 24 when they have fully developed the required organs to be viable. This is when a fetus is actually a person. Until then the Fetus is just a fetus.

Different55 · Before February 2015

Jabatheblob1 wrote:

Cell Theory is used vastly among many, one thing that is in the definition is, living on it's own. Fetus' can't live on their own until week 24 when they have fully developed the required organs to be viable. This is when a fetus is actually a person. Until then the Fetus is just a fetus.

Where are you getting this from because I'm looking all over this cell theory stuff and nothing like that is here.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

I think whether a fetus is alive does not have relevance to the abortion argument. The fetus basically has cells that are not dead. It may not fit the definition of a living organism, but it isn't dead.

Now even if the fetus is alive, abortion does not necessarily harm it in any way. Organisms can be alive yet feel absolutely nothing if harmed/injured. If a fetus cannot sense pain or think then I wouldn't think that abortion would be an issue, at least during the times that it cannot sense pain or think.

There is also the argument by someone whose name I should remember that is something like:
The reason why murder is bad is because you rob someone of potential enjoyable time they have left, and killing a fetus that, while it cannot think or feel, may be likely to have much time left to enjoy life.

Jabatheblob1 · Before February 2015

Even if something has cells doesn't mean it's alive. There are more bacteria cells than human cells on a human body. Does that make it a bacteria rather than a human? This is if everything was based off of cells.

Even after a human death a large majority of the cells are still alive.

XxAtillaxX · Before February 2015

Jabatheblob1 wrote:

Even if something has cells doesn't mean it's alive. There are more bacteria cells than human cells on a human body. Does that make it a bacteria rather than a human? This is if everything was based off of cells.
Even after a human death a large majority of the cells are still alive.

That's why there's two different terms, medically alive and biologically alive.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

you learn it if you take first aid !

Jabatheblob1 · Before February 2015

XxAtillaxX wrote:

Jabatheblob1 wrote:
Even if something has cells doesn't mean it's alive. There are more bacteria cells than human cells on a human body. Does that make it a bacteria rather than a human? This is if everything was based off of cells.
Even after a human death a large majority of the cells are still alive.
That's why there's two different terms, medically alive and biologically alive.

regardless medically or biologically. My liver is not an alive organism. Let alone neither is my foot or nose. I am an alive individual.

Slushie · Before February 2015

I don't think it's fair to compare fetuses to organs. A fetus can grow into something that can live on its own and reproduce. Organs can not.

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