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Amputation as punishment

Some african countries punishes thieves with hand amputations, and it seems better than filling a prison with robbers. What do you think about this punishment in your country? This could be used in huge crimes like murder.

Positive points:
- Possible trauma in who is punished, discouraging him to do it again.
- Least prison space used, seriously, prisons are being overfilled.
- Least criminals, specially if they show how criminals are punished in public.

Negative points:
- Wrong suspect, it would be unfair if they choose the wrong suspect to be punished.

I'm for it, I'm tired of robbers and few years in prison is a weak punishment.

What do you think?

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Re: Amputation as punishment

Being sent to prison is bad enough, you gotta stay there for a few years and the cells are tiny and dusty
do you even know how much 3 years is

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Re: Amputation as punishment

But most of them repeat their deed after left the prison.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

Most country religions will not allow that.
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Re: Amputation as punishment

On one hand:

- Least prison space used, seriously, prisons are being overfilled.

But on the other, it prevents people who sincerely regret having committed their crimes from moving on. They'll be discriminated against for the rest of their lives and will probably end up dead one way or another.

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Not that its a reason against this, this is illegal as I believe it is considered cruel or unsual punishment.

Anyway I believe people should be given help to reintegrate into society rather than given even more obstacles.
I don't have an argument.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

Amputating someone's limbs for committing theft is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. Since the U.S. Constitution prohibits this, it will never happen here.

Not that I would condone it even if it weren't forbidden. Everyone should have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, become a better person because of the fact and move on. Taking someone's limbs for their crime prevents them from being able to move on; they're stuck with their mistake for the rest of their life.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

They get their chance, but if they stay in their mistake, there's no more chance.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

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ILoveBacon

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Don't get me wrong here, I'm not some kind of Nazi and I do value the human life 'n' s__t.

I think that if you commit a crime there should be 3 things that could happen.
1. You get a fine (for really petty crimes, ofc).
2. 5 years in prison. But after that you get a normal life, as in you can get a job despite the fact you've been in prison (petty crimes).
3. Sentenced to a fast and painless death (any other crime).

I know this seems extreme but, who would commit a crime if you're going to get killed for it?

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Re: Amputation as punishment

What happens if i commit so many crimes one after another that i will literally have nothing left to amputate?

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GKAbyss

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I know this seems extreme but, who would commit a crime if you're going to get killed for it?

If they think they can get away with it or if they don't think things through. What if someone commits manslaughter as a result of drunk driving? Not saying they are not responsible, but they are not exactly choosing to commit a crime while knowing that they will be killed/executed.

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ILoveBacon

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What if someone commits manslaughter as a result of drunk driving? Not saying they are not responsible, but they are not exactly choosing to commit a crime while knowing that they will be killed/executed.

That's where the 5 years in prison would come in.

GKAbyss

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So manslaughter by drunk driving would be 5 years in prison/petty crime?

Also I assume if someone has a mental illness then they will not receive the death penalty? And maybe not prison?

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Re: Amputation as punishment

Welcome back, dark medival ages. Maybe people should burn at the stake so others might think twice before stealing a cookie.

btw. prison is not a place to lock away someone for all eternity but a place to rehabilitate and re-socialise into the community. At least it is the case where I live. Called justice and not retribution.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

What happens if i commit so many crimes one after another that i will literally have nothing left to amputate?

You'll live without any limbs.

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GKAbyss

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Assuming that the government will be paying for anything that the person who loses the limbs as punishment needs to live without having a limb or without having multiple limbs (having no limbs?), I'll go out on a limb and say that it will probably cost a significant amount. I don't know how it would compare to the cost of keeping someone in prison.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Amputation_in … punishment

This may help in how it works.

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GKAbyss

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"The hand should be cut off for stealing something that is worth a quarter of a Dinar or more."
searched "dinar to usd"
"1 Iraqi Dinar equals
0.00087 US Dollar"

This would essentially mean stealing anything would result in losing a hand.
"Narrated 'Aisha: The hand of a thief was not cut off during the lifetime of the Prophet except for stealing something equal to a shield in value."
I do not know what "the lifetime of the Prophet" means.
What is a shield? If that is a currency I cannot find its value through "shield to usd" on google.

Maybe you are mean to base it on this and not make it exactly the same. If you do mean to have it exactly the same, in which case the values are likely to be different when that was written than they are today, then here look at this: "or steals a rope, for which his hand is to be cut off.". I am inclined to strongly disagree that someone's hand should be cut off for stealing a rope.

If you are indeed wanting to use those specifics, eg cutting off someone's hand because they stole something worth a quarter of a Dinar or more, then why should we use that value?

I am against the entire concept of cutting off hands as punishment regardless of the specifics of the crime.
edit: looking at your original post, which mentions using amputations in cases like murder, then I do not understand your most recent post. This guideline conflicts with the ones you linked to.

edit 2 I found that there was more in that link and found that a shield mentioned was woth three dirham.
I googled that "1 United Arab Emirates Dirham equals
0.27 US Dollar"
Again I understand it was probably worth a different amount but for reference, it would not be worth about 70 cents.

Based on reading most of those instances, the general idea I get is that you should cut off someone's hand if they steal, unless what they steal is needed for their survival.

Regardless of this, I still believe we should not punish someone by cutting off their limbs.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

Why not just tattoo on their forehead "I'm a criminal"

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Re: Amputation as punishment

Not exactly that value, but harsh crimes like mass murders or big assaults.

Why not just tattoo on their forehead "I'm a criminal"

Not a bad idea, but they can hide it.

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GKAbyss

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Why do we need to hide the fact that someone is a criminal. Afaik there is enough bias against people who have done crimes. I doubt many people would hire anyone who has killed someone, or has done some somewhat serious or any crime at all in the past. Again I prefer reintegration into society over punishment. If someone is reintegrated and started up in society I'm pretty sure that decreases the likelihood that they will commit crimes(?).

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Re: Amputation as punishment

I agree with GKA. I imagine it would be difficult for someone to live a normal life after being released from prison; for example, employers can see if you have a criminal record and this makes it hard to get a job. Something that shows whether you are a criminal or not, such as amputation, will only increase bias against you.

Anyway, amputation is too cruel. It will affect their life even more negatively than it would without it. And the reason you might see a lot of robbers is probably due to police numbers rather than the form of punishment.

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Re: Amputation as punishment

looks like someone needs to give these guys a hand

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Re: Amputation as punishment

Criminals should be shot to death, these "but human rights! free these poor souls!" guys are a bigger cancer than the criminals themselves, gg

looks like someone needs to give these guys a hand

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