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ZeldaXD

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Re: Winners!

jesus, ipwner clearly deserved to win, staph complaining

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Tachyonic

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Re: Winners!

I voted purely on the originality and uniqueness aspect of levels.

But you forgot completely to rate the quality of art.

I'd also like to mention, we rated the levels without bias from the attitude of their respective creators.

Last edited by Tachyonic (Dec 1 2014 3:19:09 pm)

nathskiix7811

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Re: Winners!

WOW WTF
i'm pretty sure ipwners level existed before the contest and it also exploits a huge glitch, kiraninjas level was copied off of someone elses and wow this is what happens when you have biased members of the community judging

edit: either way congrats to all the winners

Last edited by nathskiix7811 (Dec 1 2014 3:49:04 pm)

4649

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Re: Winners!

oh. I'm not 3rd... I thought it its...

Tachyonic

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Re: Winners!

i'm pretty sure ipwners level existed before the contest and it also exploits a huge glitch, kiraninjas level was copied off of someone elses

Please elaborate.

Pingohits

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Joined: 2015-02-15

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Re: Winners!

that's true. ipwner had his level before the contest, I remember.

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Creature

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From: The Dark Web

Joined: 2015-02-15

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Re: Winners!

This prove how much guardians are unorganizated.

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This is a false statement.

Pyromaniac

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Re: Winners!

that's true. ipwner had his level before the contest, I remember.

I can just picture Gadgetgeek sitting in his dark room with a calculator muttering to himself because his complex rating algorithm is thrown askew by this new information.
EDIT: But even if Ipwner didn't deserve to win, they made their decision, and complaining about it isn't going to do anything. Its not like the stakes were very high anyways

Last edited by Pyromaniac (Dec 1 2014 6:31:14 pm)

Tachyonic

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Re: Winners!

I don't think you realise that we are unable to know when a world was created. Heck, you know we don't because y'all are basing these broad claims on mere assumptions. The knowledge, of when Ipwner's world for the contest was created before the starting gun, is beyond us judges. We just comment on the final product here.

But even if Ipwner made at least a template before-hand, it shouldn't matter because of the long timespan that each contestant was given to create their world with. I'm pretty sure Ipwner would have been able to come up with the same outcome if he was restricted to the time frame of start-to-finish.

Last edited by Tachyonic (Dec 1 2014 6:34:43 pm)

Anch

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Re: Winners!

I'm not complaining, and I'm not saying that his win isn't fair. I'm just saying that there were probably much better worlds. For example, the blog specifically stated

Quality of artwork and visuals

The artwork certainly wasn't very good, and if their are 5 sections, and it seems that the rating is out of 10, that would give 2 points for each section.
iPwner's score was 8.23, and he probably lost points on the artwork.
Now the fun factor, was actually fun, but he also built the world before the contest even started. Originality was pretty good, just that it hurts my eyes a little (probably no points taken off for that)
The points for minigames/challenges were good because they were pretty fun, but there were barely any minis (compared to others) and they were really simple and not very challenging or fun.
10 - 8.23 = 1.77, and I'm not sure if all of the points that should have been taken off add up to 1.77 or whatever.
What I said probably doesn't make sense but whatever.

tak4n

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Re: Winners!

Well I guess I should be happy with 3rd place and 3 months of builder's club, big spender will remain just a dream :/ Oh well, time to find 20 friends I can add to my list.

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GKAbyss

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Re: Winners!

I see nothing in rules about the level having to have been started after the contest was announced.

dragonranger

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Re: Winners!

I see nothing in rules about the level having to have been started after the contest was announced.

Couldve worked with other people though, or done other stuff that goes against the rules, before the contest started

#loophole

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GKAbyss

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Re: Winners!

Whether or not it is serious, for the sake of establishing points:
iPwner could have done that even if he had started the level after the contest was announced.
I think there may be a question as to whether multiple people were allowed to work on a single level together or not.

Aoitenshi

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Re: Winners!

I did not compete in this, but congrats to all who made it!

PS. Shame that no kongers won this.

Buzzerbee

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Re: Winners!

I did not compete in this, but congrats to all who made it!

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ZeldaXD

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Re: Winners!

I did not compete in this, but congrats to all who made it!

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xKiran

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Re: Winners!

WOW WTF
i'm pretty sure ipwners level existed before the contest and it also exploits a huge glitch, kiraninjas level was copied off of someone elses and wow this is what happens when you have biased members of the community judging

edit: either way congrats to all the winners

Copied? Funny.

This is the behavior of persons toward the winners. We won, because we did a great job.

Also, Ipwners level was one of the best of the contest, the concept and gameplay was the most enjoying without any doubts.

iDC

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Re: Winners!

The problem is that a judging system was not established. I followed most of the judges around and it seemed that the way they were judging was simply finishing the level then giving it a x/10 rating off the top of their head. This led to bias in what parts of the level made it good. The original blog post stated that each level would be judged on 5 different aspects. If they had spent more than one day doing the judging we would have ended up with a far more constructive list of winners. The way it should have been done is rating each aspect of a level out of 10 then combining all 5 scores to get an average.

Last edited by DC levels (Dec 2 2014 11:52:36 am)

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iDC

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Re: Winners!

WOW WTF
i'm pretty sure ipwners level existed before the contest and it also exploits a huge glitch, kiraninjas level was copied off of someone elses and wow this is what happens when you have biased members of the community judging

edit: either way congrats to all the winners

Ipwner created the a basic version of the concept before the contest. He never made a level out of it and I assume he was saving the concept for a good time. This was that good time. He invented the concept and he made his contest level from scratch. His level deserved 1st or 2nd place. The fact that he didn't even get honorable mention proves how bad the judging system was.

Last edited by DC levels (Dec 2 2014 11:56:09 am)

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Pyromaniac

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Re: Winners!

The problem is that a judging system was not established. I followed most of the judges around and it seemed that the way they were judging was simply finishing the level then giving it a x/10 rating off the top of their head. This led to bias in what parts of the level made it good. The original blog post stated that each level would be judged on 5 different aspects. If they had spent more than one day doing the judging we would have ended up with a far more constructive list of winners. The way it should have been done is rating each aspect of a level out of 10 then combining all 5 scores to get an average.

yeah I was wondering where these numbers came from. This happens in every contest because the judging parameters are not clearly stated and/or adhered to.

rgl23

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Re: Winners!

If they had spent more than one day doing the judging we would have ended up with a far more constructive list of winners.

This was the major issue I had with the judging, when I heard that Jawapa said he did over 30 levels in one day (probably like the other judges did) there were going to be some skewed scores. Absolutely no one would be able to play that many levels and say they rated each and every one as fair as when they first started, fatigue would have set in and they were just focusing on finishing than looking at everything in the level. They probably should have realized they would have to cram, and should have postponed the final judging days so they would have more time, It would have been much better to get correct scores rather than just finishing within a deadline.

Tachyonic

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Re: Winners!

I suppose it's probably key to mention that NVD was away most of the time and Bass didn't contribute anything.

In regards to the criticism, I completely agree. We found and brought the issue up in chat but the method we compromised to fit the hole probably wasn't the best prepared for. We went with it anyway so we didn't look like complete twits who put everyone's efforts to waste.

Apologies.

Last edited by Tachyonic (Dec 2 2014 1:52:57 pm)

xKiran

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Re: Winners!

Judging wasn't bad overall, though i don't agree with 2 or 3 placements.

iDC

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Re: Winners!

I suppose it's probably key to mention that NVD was away most of the time and Bass didn't contribute anything.

In regards to the criticism, I completely agree. We found and brought the issue up in chat but the method we compromised to fit the hole probably wasn't the best prepared for. We went with it anyway so we didn't look like complete twits who put everyone's efforts to waste.

Apologies.

I offered to fill a hole in the judging to make the results more balanced because I decided not to participate in the contest, but I was told it wasn't needed. The simple solution would have been to delay the results a few days. Instead, the sloth of the judges made the efforts of multiple people (who put lots and time and thought into their worlds) completely null.

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