🕐🕑🕒🕓🕔🕕 Mafia 56 (Clock Mafia) 🕖🕗🕘🕙🕚🕛

Onjit · 2024-03-21 06:54:45

🕐🕑 Welcome to🕒🕓
🕔🕕 Mafia 56🕖🕗
🕘🕙(Clock Mafia)🕚🕛

It's time to get started!

Basic Rules:

Don't be a ****, it's just a game
Try to post at least 10 times per day phase
Don't talk about the game outside of where you're allowed to (ie. this thread)
Days will be about 70 hours long, and nights will be 24 hours long (We'll have the same cutoff time of 3pm AEST so its suitable for strategic purposes)
Ask me if you have any questions
Have fun (mandatory)

The setup is explained here: 09:12, but I'll do a proper write-up in a bit and add it to the thread.

The players are:

Pqwerty
Zumza - Killed Night 1: Vanilla Townie
Bobithan
Processor
Different55 - Lynched Day 2: Vanilla Town
Edilights
Buzzerbee - Lynched Day 1: Town Follower
N1KF
Schlog

Schlog · 2024-03-21 18:11:36

WOW >:(

Schlog · 2024-03-22 00:26:14

i think onjit is mafia, can we lynch him

Schlog · 2024-03-22 16:37:32

N1KF wrote:

!vote Schlog
You framed Onjit after I confirmed his innocence!
If Mafia has daychat, is it better or worse to end day 1 early?

i think it might be better to end early after discussion here is done to limit their strategies

Schlog · 2024-03-22 19:22:28

Bobithan wrote:

72 hrs of daychat + 24 hrs of nightchat: 96 hrs of scumchat and 72 hrs of townchat; scum only gets 33% more time than town
24 hrs of daychat + 24 hrs of nightchat: 48 hrs of scumchat and 24 hrs of townchat: scum gets 100% more time than town
longer days are more beneficial for town i think. more information is always better. ABP (always be Posting)

that's a good point, i hadn't thought of it that way

i think proc is just trolling because he's bored

Schlog · 2024-03-23 06:01:17

unironically i think voting day 1 is just a bad idea since there's no real information to go off of yet and the likelihood of actually getting a mafia member at random makes it too risky

Schlog · 2024-03-23 19:03:49

Bobithan wrote:

Also schlog we are not nolimming today. Generally just a bad idea outside of extremely except8onal circumstances. Getting everybody's votes in + a reveal at the end of the day is a lot of information to work with even if we do miss

idk, i still don't think it's the play

if we don't get a d2 hit after n1 the game could just end on d3, and it could be even worse if it's an important town role that ends up getting sacked

but you are right, lynching someone would give us information, i just don't like how random it feels right now

Schlog · 2024-03-24 01:23:15

N1KF wrote:

Under 5 hours remain. I might vote BuzzerBee if we need to kill somebody.
I think I'll look more into how people are interacting with each other. Remember that Mafia has daychat so they very well could try to manipulate the day 1 discussion.
Votes
2 - BuzzerBee: Zumza, Pqwerty
1 - N1KF: BuzzerBee
1 - Processor: Bobithan, Zumza, N1KF
1 - Schlog: Edilights, N1KF
0 - Edilights: Zumza
0 - Zumza: Bobithan
Correct me if I messed something up.

(a bit offtopic but i appreciate the summaries you're putting out)

Schlog · 2024-03-24 01:39:05

i really don't see the value of a d1 lynch, i feel like it'll just end with 2 dead townies and the same amount of information on day 2 as if there was only 1 from an overnight kill

towwl can you explain in case im just not understanding something

Schlog · 2024-03-24 03:22:37

Bobithan wrote:

Votes are the only town aligned eliminations that happen in mafia and town doesn't get many of them. Scum can kill but they can ONLY kill town, so we need to take as many chances as we can get. also more information is always good, even if we hit town d1 we can look at the flow of votes throughout the day and try to find anything fishy. Not eliminating gives us very little to work with the following day
2 simple example games where town mislynches twice in a row:
vote somebody out d1: 7 town 2 mafia -> mislynch -> 6 town 2 mafia -> nightkill -> 5 town 2 mafia -> mislynch -> 4 town 2 mafia -> nightkill -> 3 town 2 mafia (do or die)
vote nobody out d1: 7 town 2 mafia -> nolynch -> 7 town 2 mafia -> nightkill -> 6 town 2 mafia -> mislynch -> 5 town 2 mafia -> nightkill -> 4 town 2 mafia -> mislynch -> 3 town 2 mafia -> nightkill -> 2 town 2 mafia (scum wins)
in the first situation even after missing twice in a row, we still have an opportunity to save the game with 2 scum out of 5 remaining players. If we don't eliminate today, we can only mislynch once before a mislynch ends the game with a scum victory
It's basically never the right idea to not lynch day one, especially with an odd number of players. The PRs in the 9:12 setup aren't nearly influential enough to change that argument, I would not be surprised at all if the PRs this game end up not mattering.
I feel like pqwerty should know all of this since I gather he's experienced with this game so I'm a little suspicious that he's so keen here on not lynching tonight

i hadn't really done the math on it but those flow charts make it pretty clear, yeah

my first thought was that it might go against the original idea of keeping days as long as possible to ensure that mafia doesn't have as much time but then i realized that it would benefit the whole game equally

no other comments on that, since we're going for the vote my top 3 picks would be:
1. processor: he still has not contributed to today's discussion in any significant way, i'm pretty sure he has a history of mindgaming so maybe the scrub claim was a bluff
2. edilights: seems like he's been very volatile this entire time, randomly voting people with no real explanation
3. diff: not necessarily suspicious, but more like a safe bet since he hasn't really said anything

i can understand the sentiment for buzzerbee, though - if he wanted to lynch someone who seems to be neutral, then why not pick someone who hasn't participated? they're technically neutral too, lil sus tbh

in any case we're kinda low on time and buzzerbee has 3 votes so ill cast mine on him as well

!vote buzzerbee

Schlog · 2024-03-27 22:00:17

sorry for not contributing much today, i have been busy with work

as far as the zumza kill goes, as someone who plays a lot of fighting games, it really depends on how many levels deep the killer was thinking before performing the action - and i think this is especially important because nearly everyone in this game knows how to play mafia quite well. from what i can tell, zumza was clearly baiting out a mafia kill from pqwerty and i'm not 100% sure pqwerty would've fallen for it. i don't think edilights would've thought of this much at all, and considering how he's playing, i think he's probably town, and was hoping for a mafia role because they're usually more fun when you aren't really thinking

this leads my scum reads; i think the team is either pqwerty-n1kf or processor-n1kf and it seems like it's just a hard 50/50

for pqwerty, he clearly has the game knowledge to perform the layered thinking like previously mentioned

as for processor, i have two reasons:
-firstly, his defense of pqwerty - i honestly thought bobithan's suspicion was justified immediately, since pqwerty was on zumza's suspect list. pqwerty also just sort of voted anyone who was starting to rack up votes
-secondly, his reasoning for NOT voting diff:

Processor wrote:

I personally feel more confident lynching someone from the set of people who voted on Buzz [Schlog, N1KF, Pqwerty, Bobithan] than to lynch the inactives

this is just objectively wrong i feel. like bobithan explained, it's a numbers game which is currently a 2v5 that's playing like a 2v3. diff's inactivity punishes the town because every voter is essential, and edilight's vote isn't nearly as useful since he's an agent of chaos. at least edilights can still do something, but diff is really just a liability unless he starts talking

for my town reads, i actually think there's a strong possibility of diff being the other TP role. nobody's claimed and we don't know anything about the night actions.
i think edilights is town for reasons stated already
bobithan i think is town, mostly because yeah i literally can't refute a single thing he's said so far (if he's mafia then he's too busted)

since i rule those 3 as town that leaves n1kf as the last option and i really doubt both processor and pqwerty are the mafia

Schlog · 2024-03-27 22:10:07

i kinda wanna vote diff tbh and pqwerty tomorrow so we dont end up in a 2v3 with an inactive and miss a vote

Schlog · 2024-03-27 22:14:24

Bobithan wrote:

also care to explain your strong suspicion vs N1KF?

idk it kinda feels like he's just being too perfect and really only analyzing everyone else rather than posting any strong opinions, just gives me a bad feeling

Schlog · 2024-03-27 22:16:53

Bobithan wrote:

I'm going to hope that onjit is able to find a sub for diff for d3
Also didn't you just say diff is probably the pr

yeah but he might as well be nothing if he isn't going to use night actions or help us get majority

i would REALLY like him to get subbed so i don't feel compelled to vote him

Schlog · 2024-03-27 22:18:19

(not to mention we dont really have that much time left and onjit is going to probably be asleep until the next day)

Schlog · 2024-03-27 22:49:00

i really think there's still a possibility of this being a simple deflection tactic, and i think it's smarter to go for diff to ensure all of our votes count on day 3 so i'm going to vote him for now

if diff gets voted out today, i'll vote pqwerty tmrw and if n1kf changes his mind and swaps to pqwerty, i will too

!vote Different55

Schlog · 2024-03-27 22:49:49

i will retract my vote on diff completely if he gets subbed btw

Schlog · 2024-03-27 23:05:20

Processor wrote:

I personally consider the probability of the number of scum among the Buzz voters [Schlog, Pqwerty, N1KF, Bobithan] to be
0 Scum: 0 %
1 Scum: 50 %
2 Scum: 50 %
=> 1.5 expected scum members among [Schlog, Pqwerty, N1KF, Bobithan]
I therefore estimate the number of scum among [Diff, Edi (, Proc)] to be 0.5
I therefore think it is much more fruitful to lynch one of the [Schlog, Pqwerty, N1KF, Bobithan]
Additionally, a lynch on an inactive member does not produce any reads for further investigation, where as a lynch on an active member gives us more to work with.

Processor wrote:

Additionally, a lynch on an inactive member does not produce any reads for further investigation, where as a lynch on an active member gives us more to work with.

i understand that much, but there's only going to be 3 town tomorrow assuming we ML, and if one of them is diff, then the game's just over unless he decides to act. even edilight's random voting is better than literally nothing

the likelihood of him getting subbed in is extremely low because the day ends in 6 hours and onjit will be at work the entire time

if it were like one day before or we had more players then i would definitely go for an active player

Schlog · 2024-03-27 23:05:41

mfw quote twice on accident L

Schlog · 2024-03-27 23:28:44

N1KF wrote:

Why couldn't he be subbed Day 3?

you have no idea how hard i facepalmed after you said this

holy **** im dumb

N1KF

Schlog · 2024-03-27 23:40:04

honestly i don't really like how completely neutral n1kf is, either; like surely you have someone you want out, right? i don't think you ever even explained your OWN diff vote, and just kinda did it because edilights did

this is exactly what i mean by "too perfect", he could be literally anything and i really don't like that

Schlog · 2024-03-27 23:45:15

i also forgot to do this

!unvote

between n1kf and pqwerty for me rn since those are the only possible votes today i think, still suspicious of proc like i said b4

Schlog · 2024-03-27 23:55:42

N1KF wrote:

What would satisfy you? I could change much vote to Pqwerty, but would you criticize me for being too similar to Bobithan? What do you want me to do?

i just wanna know what you're thinking. seems less like you're forming your own opinions and more like you're just following the flow of the game

Schlog · 2024-03-28 01:29:26

!vote Different55

this is just kinda funny tbh

Processor

Schlog · 2024-03-29 18:32:09

to be clear hammering diff at the last second was for no other reason than "it was funny" (which it was)

i am not proud of it but it actually just did not register to me that he could be subbed in today instead lmao

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