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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

I'm gonna be mad if the mafia is just quietly lurking and it turns out to be Bon Jovi, Gandhi, and Shadow.
I'm not saying they are mafia, but I am saying I'd be mad if they all were.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

I'm gonna be mad if the mafia is just quietly lurking and it turns out to be Bon Jovi, Gandhi, and Shadow.
I'm not saying they are mafia, but I am saying I'd be mad if they all were.

Gandhi is lurking?

I mean, he made a bunch of votes and then disappeared so...
He disappeared is a better word cuz lurking would imply he's still here.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Wait uh, Norwee said that there wouldn't be more than 3 mafia in the signup thread.

I just assumed that meant 2 mafia and a traitor because 1 mafia 1 traitor seems off.

Shadow is your role custom or something? Cuz why would a town role say "there are exactly 2 mafia"?

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

It’s not more than 3 mafia total.
You’d pretty much never see a normal game with 4v9 in MS. So less than that.

Post #31 in the Mafia 52 Invitation Thread

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

I'm most likely going to be at school during EOD tomorrow, so I'm going to say some quick thoughts before bed.

Shadow's claim seems like a slip and also Lumi was suspicious of MM, ShadowsEdge, and Mini, and now they're dead.

If Shadow flips town, that's when we should start reevaluating slots like 2B/Gandhi.

!vote ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Wait how’d you go from agreeing with me that ShadowsEdge isn’t giving any reads to ShadowsEdge is town?

His posts lately are townie. He seems totally fine with just letting me lead without a conditionality to it of only liking me for pushing a particular player - in fact he's the one who got the vote on Allen before I did. Wolves generally don't see a confident town and then go "ya let's just sheep them before they've posted a read on me" - like that second part is critically important - ShadowsEdge came to the conclusion that I'm likely just town before I actually stated my read. I suppose he could have inferred it from me agreeing with his vote, but it's wolves get spooked at the idea of sheeping a leader type player that could then turn on them because they haven't actually stated a read on them yet.

He also liked my post earlier about me pointing out that people were townreading him despite him  not actually having made any real substantive reads yet - soft unpairs him with those three and there's a decent enough chance that there is a wolf among that grouping >rand at the very least.

Marshmallow Marshall feels awkward and uncomfortable.

I don't know what the heck Minimania is doing right now, I thought his aggressive push was townie, but then he just immediately recanted it and gave up. No towncred there.

Also onjit and BigBonJovi seriously need to do something this game

His OMGUS early on felt unnatural and not like the kind of reaction I would expect from him. Like I saw nothing to suspect pqwerty and yet MM thought it was enough to warrant an OMGUS vote rather than like just going back and forth or something.

The suspicion onto Elijah also feels very misplaced.

Ah I misremembered. Lumi was suspicious of MM and Mini, and changed their mind about ShadowsEdge at the end.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Only thing that really worries me about Gandhi is how they seemed to contradict themselves yesterday about Allen

Yeah I was worried when he did the same thing for Buzzerbee today. BB was one of his top reads only to get voted briefly. But these are just two instances of Gandhi acting off. I don't know if these two instances are defining of his character. Also most of my suspicion of Gandhi has been speculative anyway.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Well since the cop is dead, my role info doesn't help the mafia anymore.

I'm the Miller and I didn't want the mafia to know there was an investigative role to hunt down, so I kept my role a secret. I am no longer anti-town.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Also, would a mass claim be a good idea since 3/9 people have already claimed?

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Ok, but don't vote yet. It's not LYLO but we can hit 5 votes pretty quickly.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

I mean, Mini was Elijah's 99% townread and he said to never kill Mini, so that seems like a confirm to me.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

I'm struggling to see anyone else as mafia besides MM and Gandhi. Their D2 play was super underwhelming. 2B and BB seem like they're actively trying to solve the game. Grilyon is new but helpful. Gikkle is leading the town. I'm mindmelding with Mini in terms of strategy. Not to mention that Gandhi and MM were high on Shadow's townreads despite Shadow having horrible reasoning for all their reads, or that Shadow tried to clear MM. Like it just seems like all the fingers point their way since everyone else feels town to me.

Some reads from everyone would be helpful cuz I really need second opinons on this.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Well since the cop is dead, my role info doesn't help the mafia anymore.

I'm the Miller and I didn't want the mafia to know there was an investigative role to hunt down, so I kept my role a secret. I am no longer anti-town.

Why not claim Miller? Investigative is already something mafia would probably reason exists, and not claiming Miller means the cop could have checked you and wasted an action.

I was really hoping the anti-town claim would deter this because I really didn't want this worst-case scenario to happen. The best strategy would've been to claim miller and then have everyone else claim cop, but that strategy hasn't been accepted in past games when I suggested it so I figured claiming anti-town would just be best.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

I think BB was the only person who doubted your claim Gikkle. Idk if this is WIFOM territory, but the fact that you're still alive could mean that the mafia believed you and didn't kill you. Hence BB couldn't be mafia since he didn't believe your claim. Is this too speculative?

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Scum vs Scum

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Oh also are we supposed to be talking since the thread still says Night 2?

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

For what it's worth, I don't think he'd just post the flip and leave the thread open if we weren't allowed to talk

Ah true.

Anyway, I wanna see some stuff from Oliwaz before I make an opinion on them. But rn my vote is spiritually on MM.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Gandhi did get underwhelming during D2, but I have no clue how you reached the conclusion that I was. I managed to solve Elijah's slot through a lot of effort (now you're gonna say it's not amazing since he died, but before he died, it was very important, and it really didn't look like he'd get killed at all).

I'd like to hear what exactly makes you think 2B is solving. I have a hard time seeing it, and overall a hard time reading her.

So 2B, Gikkle, and BB were leading the interrogation on Shadow. I see that as solving, but we haven't gotten a readlist from BB or 2B in a while; they just sort of joined the hunt for Shadow instead.

I gave a lot of towncred to the people who hunted down Shadow, and I forgot that you solved Elijah and dipped.

Maybe it's recency bias but I gave BB and 2B more towncred for hunting Shadow than you solving Elijah, and because you didn't hunt Shadow in the end, it overshadowed (ba dm tss) your previous work.

Some reads from you, 2B, and Gandhi could help.

Oh also I make sure to copy my messages before posting so that if I get logged out, I can log in and paste again. Works wonders for me.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

BB is Buzzerbee, but also if you have reads then let em fly. your opinion matters too

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

I apologize in advance but I won’t be super active tomorrow or Friday. My schedule is really busy those days. My gut still says MM/Gandhi are the final pair but that’s not enough to go on. But I think it’s suspicious that Lumi and Elijah both scumread MM and now they’re dead. I’d really like some more opinions on this cuz it doesn’t feel right. It seems like a red herring but idk if my thoughts hold any weight.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

MM can we get a claim before sending you on your way?

I townread a lot of people, and so my upcoming vote on you is process of elimination.
Gikkle is leading the town. Mini is basically confirmed by mechanics. Oli was suspicious but Gikkle made a good case as to why BBJ probably wouldn't be mafia. Grilyon seems like they're hunting, especially given their first game. 2B is my Neighbor. So that leaves you/Gandhi/BB and honestly I think Gandhi/BB are townier.

Unless Gikkle and 2B are deepwolves, I think the final 2 mafia live among the three of you.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

!vote Marshmallow Marshall

I can’t make EOD so I have to do it now

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

!unvote

I just realized EOD isn't today. I'm gonna finish my homework and then I'll take another look at the ISOs.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Idk if this is useful, but if we're doing NKA and according to MM, anyone would've killed Lumi out of fear, why would they kill Elijah over Gikkle? Was Elijah not a fear kill?

Also, if it was a fear kill, then the team can't be two people who have never played with Lumi because at least 1 mafia had to be afraid of Lumi.

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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

would you mind rewording this? i’m having a hard time following lol sorry. also what is NKA

Night Kill Analysis.

Essentially MM says that the mafia were afraid of Lumi, so the mafia killed Lumi. But if the mafia are killing out of fear, you'd think they'd kill the town leader over Elijah. So maybe Elijah was killed for a different reason. Idk if this says much.

More importantly (imo), if the mafia killed Lumi out of fear, at least one of them had to be afraid of Lumi because otherwise you have 2 unafraid mafia. So, any potential pair who has not played with Lumi before would be clear since they would both not be afraid of Lumi.

Idk the logic here still feels shaky so I'm not married to the idea. I'm just entertaining it.