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Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Welcome to Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon. We are looking at unprecedented, troubling times. A plague is tearing through the country, and your government needs your help. Our sources have tracked an infected individual that may be in your area. In order to limit the spread of the plague, we are implementing new measures to help limit the spread of the disease. From now on, you are no longer allowed to go outside of your house at night. Food and necessities are to be rationed. You are no longer allowed to leave this town. Anyone who does not comply with these measures will undergo a democratic trial held by your town’s population, and may potentially be sentenced to death. To ensure these practices stay in place, we have dispatched government agents to help with the transition process. Your democratically elected mayor will be taking a back seat in this transition. Do not climb the wall we have built around town. Please note that we are only doing this for the safety of this town and its important member(s). Do not disobey.

Here are the rules that must be followed at all times:

▼Game Rules

- One in-game day will last 48 hours. One in-game night will last 18 hours. One in-game dawn will last 6 hours. Dawn occurs after a night is over, but before a day begins, and is a time where players receive feedback from the moderator. If you have a usable ability and do not respond in time, your turn will be forfeited, unless you are obligated to perform your role, in which case you will perform your ability on yourself.

- Votes that are not made using the Bold or Header tags will not be counted. Self-votes are allowed. See "How To Vote" below for tips on parsing your votes correctly.

- Do not game-throw, it's not fun for the other players and it's certainly not fun for your teammates (if you have any).

- Follow the rules of the forums and please be nice. Editing will be turned off.

- Orange will be the color I will be using to make posts as the game moderator. Do not use this color or otherwise attempt to impersonate me.

- Players may be prodded after 48 consecutive hours of inactivity by using the !prod <username> command. Players that are prodded for inactivity and don't become active within the next 48 hours will either be replaced or modkilled (if there are no replacements). Being inactive is not fun for anyone, please put in an effort.

- Do not discuss this game outside of this thread or outside of your role PMs unless express host permission is granted otherwise.

- A lynch will not occur when a majority has been reached. A lynch can only occur when the day ends. When a day ends, all lynch votes will be counted, and whichever player was voted for the most will be executed after factoring in role modifiers and abilities. If you do not vote, your vote will be counted as !sleep. Players can vote to not lynch anyone during the day by using the !sleep command.

- At the end of the Day Phase, a player will be lynched even if a (50% + 1) majority hasn't been reached. Rather, the player with the most votes amongst voters (a Plurality) will be lynched. If a Plurality of players vote to sleep, or two options are tied, sleep is chosen as the result.*

- Twilight occurs when the day has ended but the moderator hasn't closed the thread. Talking is allowed during twilight, provided the thread isn't closed. Players nominated for lynch may talk until the moderator announces their death. Once you are dead, you are not allowed to talk in the thread until the moderator has ended the game.

- Users not participating are not allowed to post in the game topic.

- Do not take screenshots or quote anything from your role pm. Do not attempt to fabricate fake quotes or pictures from your role pm. Do not post your Role Card ID, or a fake Role Card ID. This will be punished via modkill.

- To let me know that you've read these rules, please append your first message in this thread with the word "purpose" so that you will not forget that we are here with a purpose.

This game is a semi-open setup, so you will not know what roles are in the game to start. Here is the setup.

▼Setup

These are the possible roles that will be in the game. Not every role is used in the game. A (V) indicates that the action is one that constitutes a visit. The Mayor, Oppressor, Gladiator, and Plaguebearer roles are guaranteed to be in the game.

▼Town Roles

Vanilla - You have no abilities. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Cop - Once per Night, you can target a player to Interrogate (V); you learn whether or not they are Evil. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Sleuth - Once per Night, you can target a player to Investigate (V); you learn their exact role. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Inspector - Once per Night, you can target a player to Inspect (V); you learn their role modifiers. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Gambler - Once per Night, you can choose to predict the death of one other player (that the player will die during that Night or by Lynch during tomorrow's Day Phase. You can also instead choose to predict that nobody will die. If you make a correct prediction, your defense is increased for each correct prediction. With one successful prediction, you are protected from Basic Attacks; with two, you are also protected from Powerful Attacks; with three, you are protected from Unstoppable Attacks as well. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Vigilante - Once per Game, during the Night, you can target a player to Liberate (V); you make a Powerful Attack against that target. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Jailor - Once per Night, you can target a player to Jail (V); that player cannot visit other players, and other players cannot visit that target. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Retributionist - Once per game, during the Night, you can target a dead player to Revive (V); that player comes back to life. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Realtor - Once per Night, you target a player to Invite (V) to the Neighborhood Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with others 24/7, even during Night Phases. Any player can be invited to Neighborhood Chat, but you do not automatically start out with access. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Nurse - Once per Night, you can target a player to Heal (V); they gain Protection from Basic and Powerful Attacks during this Night. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Coroner - While you are alive, players who die will have their Role Cards flipped. If you die and there is no other Coroner and no Undertaker, Role Cards no longer flip. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Criminologist  - Once per Night, you can target a dead player to Autopsy (V); you learn all actions performed on that player. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Mayor  - Once per Game, during the Day, you can choose to Reveal your role; the judge will confirm that you are the Mayor. While revealed this way, your 1 Vote counts as three votes. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

▼Mafia Roles

Goon - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. Once per Night, you can choose 1 player to Murder (V); you deal a Basic Attack against that player. You are the only Mafia role in the game with a killing ability, so use it wisely. You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

Undertaker - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. While you are alive, players who die will have their Role Cards flipped. If you die and there is no other Undertaker and no Coroner, Role Cards no longer flip.You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

Forecaster - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. Once per Night, you can choose to predict the death of one other player (that the player will die during that Night or by Lynch during tomorrow's Day Phase. You can also instead choose to predict that nobody will die. If you make a correct prediction, your defense is increased for each correct prediction. With one successful prediction, you are protected from Basic Attacks; with two, you are also protected from Powerful Attacks; with three, you are protected from Unstoppable Attacks as well. You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

Oppressor - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. On every even Night, once per Night, you can select 3 players; players must vote amongst these three players during the next Day Phase, or they must vote to skip. You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

▼Neutral Roles

Gladiator - Once per game, during the Day, you can Declare one other player; the game host will confirm that you are the Gladiator, and for the rest of the Day Phase, all other players now must vote amongst you and your target. A majority of players in the game (50% + 1) must vote for either you or your target to be Lynched. If no Majority is reached, you die. Not voting in this instance is counted as a vote to sleep.* You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if a majority vote is reached against your Declared target.

Jester - On the Night after you are voted out, you can choose 1 player to Vindicate; an Unstoppable Attack is made against that target. You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if you are voted to elimination.

Survivor - Up to three times per game, once per Night, you can put on a Vest; you gain protection from Basic and Powerful Attacks for the Night. You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if you survive to the end of the game.

Executioner - You are assigned one player at the start of the game. Once per Night, if you haven't already won, you can have the judge reassign your target to a different, randomly chosen player. You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if your assigned player is voted to elimination.

▼Neutral Evil Roles

Serial Killer - Once per Night, you target 1 player to Stab (V); you make a Basic Attack against that player. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Plaguebearer - Once per Night, you target 1 player, dead or alive, to Infect (V). If that Infected player visits another player, they also Infect that player. If another player visits an Infected player, the visiting player is also Infected. When all players in the game have been Infected, including all dead players, you become a Pestilence during the next morning, and the judge publicly announces that a player has become a Pestilence. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Pestilence - You are protected from Basic, Powerful, and Unstoppable Attacks. Any player who visits you is dealt a Powerful Attack. Once per Night, you can target 1 Player to Doom (V); you deal a Powerful Attack against that player and any player who visited the player you Doomed during this Night. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Voodoo - Once per Night, you can perform one of two abilities:
• Select a player and Craft a Voodoo Doll in their image (max one at a time each).
• Select a player that you've already made a Voodoo Doll of and another target; Force that player to perform their Night Action on the other target, expending that player's Voodoo Doll in the process.
You cannot be visited by players that you have made a Voodoo Doll of. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Hexblade - Once per Night, you can choose one player to Hex. If all other players alive are Hexed, you can instead deal a Basic Attack against all Hexed players, causing your Hexes on them to wear off if any survived. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Arsonist - Once per Night, you can perform one of two abilities:
• Select a player to Douse (V).
• Ignite, dealing a Powerful Attack against all Doused players, after which all players are cleansed of being Doused.
Players that visit you are automatically Doused. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

These are the possible role modifiers in the game. Not every role modifier is used. Each player will be given two role modifiers to keep throughout the entire duration of the game.

▼Role Modifiers

Breadcrumb - If a Breadcrumb player is lynched,  if their Role Card is flipped, so too is the history of each Night Action they took.

Bulletproof - A Bulletproof player is protected from Basic Attacks, if they weren't already.

Complex - A Complex player can perform their Night Actions on all players except for Vanilla and Goon.

Delayed - A Delayed player's Night Actions resolve the Night after they use them, even if that player died.

False Flag - A False Flag player shows up as evil if they are town-aligned, and town-aligned if they are evil.

Flagbearer - A Flagbearer is representative of a single faction in the game. If a Flagbearer of a faction is Lynched, then that faction will automatically lose the game.

Hammering - A Hammering player's vote against a player only counts if it is the vote that creates a majority against a player.*

Hated - One less vote is required to Lynch a Hated player. If a tie occurs between a Hated player and a regular player, the regular player takes precedent.

Impulsive - An Impulsive player cannot choose to not perform their Night Action. They must perform their Night Action if it is possible to do so.

Loud - When a Loud player visits another player during the Night, that player is informed that the Loud player visited.

Macho - A Macho player cannot be Healed.

Novice - A Novice player can't use their Night ability on the first Night.

Reporting - The results of a Reporting player's Night actions, as well as the Night Actions themselves, become publicly announced at the start of the following Day.

Roaming - A Roaming player can't target the same player for their Night ability twice in a row.

Sentinel The Sentinel always knows who the Flagbearer of their faction is.

Simple - A Simple player can't perform their Night Actions on any players except for Vanilla and Goon.

Smelly - A Smelly player causes all players that are visited by the Smelly player to appear evil for the rest of the game.

Here are some rulings regarding the game if anyone is confused:

▼Rulings

• If you die, you keep the role and alignment you had when you died, as well as any boons you might have had. Therefore, if a Retributionist revives you, for example, and you were a Pestilence converted from a Plaguebearer, you come back to life as a Pestilence. If you died while having access to the Neighborhood chat thanks to the ability of the Realtor, then you regain access to that chat. If your defense was increased because you correctly made predictions as a Gambler or a Forecaster, you regain your increased defense.

• The game does not end if one role wins. For example, if the target of an Executioner is voted out, the Executioner wins, but the game still continues. If the Jester is voted out, they win, but the game still continues. The game will only end when all remaining players have either won or no longer have an opportunity to win.

• Unless it breaks the rules of the game or is otherwise noted, all roles may target themselves with their own abilities. Killing roles are not allowed to kill themselves. A Goon cannot kill any of their teammates, even if they are forced to by the effect of a Voodoo.

• If your role meets the requirements to win, you win even if you had died earlier in the game. For example, if Town wins, it counts as a win for all dead players aligned with the Town as well.

• Wins are announced at the end of the game, even if a role wins the game before the game is over.

• Tying votes will result in nobody dying, and the game continuing on to Night.

• A Hammerer's vote will only count if that vote creates a majority. For example, if there are 6 players in the game, four votes are required for a majority. Therefore, the Hammerer's vote will only count if it is the 4th vote on a player.

• A Breadcrumb player will have the feedback they received from the moderator publicly announced upon their lynch. These results will not show if they are nightkilled. So, for example, if a Goon were a Breadcrumb, and they were lynched, each player that they targeted for the kill would become public knowledge.

Any further ruling questions will only be answered through private messages with the host in your role room.

Here is a list of commands that you can perform during the game:

▼Commands

!vote <username> - This command can be used to vote for someone you want to lynch. Please use header tags.

!unvote - This command can be used to signify that you'd like to retract your most recent vote. Please use header tags.

!sleep - This command can be used to vote to skip lynching any players for the day. Please use header tags.

!prod <username> - This command can be used to prod a player who has not been active in the thread in the past 48 successive hours.

!votelist - This command can be used to request a full list of votes from the game moderator. Vote count posts made by the host will not factor in role modifiers or abilities, and will simply only list players and their votes.

!confirm - This command can be used to confirm that you are active within the game in response to the role PM or a prod.

!reveal - This command can only be used by the Mayor or the Gladiator, and signifies that they are requesting a confirmed roleclaim from the moderator.

You can only use these commands in this thread! I will not accept any of these commands if they are made in a PM!

Here's a guide on how to vote and use BBCode for anyone unfamiliar with how these forums work:

▼How to Vote

Whenever you are writing out a reply, you might notice some buttons above your input field. You'll notice they all have different text within them, and they may have a different look depending on the theme you are using. The buttons are as follows:

For general posting, you should not have to use many of these. Clicking on any of the buttons will automatically parse their functions in the post for you in brackets. Any text you want the code to apply to should be placed within the tags. The following are the only BBCode tags that you might find useful in this game.

When you are placing a vote, your vote must be made using Header text! The H button creates header text. When placing a vote, it must be done using header text, and it will look like this.

!vote Minimania

So, should you wish to use header tags for vote, your input should look like this.

[h]!vote username[/h]

Here are some other uses for tags that you may find useful throughout the game.

B creates bold text.

I creates italicized text.

U creates underscored text.

S creates strikethrough text.

COLOR creates colored text. As stated before, Orange is the color I will be using for modposts, so do not use this color to try to impersonate me. Your input should look like this:

[color=red]Red Text[/color]

HIDE creates text that can only be viewed by highlighting it, and it will look like this.

QUOTE will create a quote for which you can quote other players with. Each post will have a button at the bottom which will allow you to quote their full post, but if you want to quote only specific text, you can highlight specific sections to quote them. Should you decide to quote a person with a specific username, your input should look like this:

[quote=username]Text[/quote]

SPOILER will allow you to hide text under a button that must be pressed for you to view it. This is helpful if you have a lot of text and don't want to drown out other posts. If you want your spoiler to have a specific title, your input should look like this.

[spoiler=title]Spoilered Text[/spoiler]

Here is how the Town Rolecard ID template looks:

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Here's the player list.

Player List:

1. AllenCaspe9510
2. 2B55B5G TNG (she/her)
3. Abiqi
4. Mutantdevle - Oppressor: Bulletproof, Flagbearer
5. ShadowsEdge - Mayor: ???, ???
6. Norwee - Gladiator: ???, ???
7. N1KF - ??? - Breadcrumb, ???
8. Onjit
9. MartenM
10. ExFabian
11. Althea - Undertaker: Hammering, Hated
12. ZeldaXD - Jailor: Reporting, Roaming
13. IrrelevantGaymer (they/them)
14. Era
15. Marshmallow Marshall - Nurse: Loud, Roaming

Host: Minimania (Next/Victim)

The game started Sunday, July 10, 2022 at Midnight (12:00 am) PST.

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

purposefully causing a health hazard

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Allen is definitely maf rn

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

dont question my accusation btw or you're maf too

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Norwee insulted onjit when he got voted by marshmallow and now has turned his back and started to vote marshmallow

town traitor townie

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

What is the purpose of such a complicated setup, so many things to keep up with my god

Is this complicated by this place's standards? o.O
There isn't really that much to keep up with; this is certainly not a vanilla game, but all we have to keep in mind is:

- mafia is the priority target
- it has lynch target control abilities (oppressor)
- there is a lategame threat (pestilence)
- there is a gladiator who really should side with town if they want to win
- mayor exists, but I honestly don't see how that does much for us as long as he's not revealed (and he probably should not reveal too early)

Sort of yeah. Generally most games on here (at least before Mini started hosting mosly) were mostly Townie and Goons, and those never really had add-ons much iirc. But i think its more a turn of phrase, because everyone here has handled games like this before i presume, but its just jarring when you play it mostly one way.

Having dealt with a similar role to Oppressor elsewhere, i will say, Oppressor will most likely become a big issue for town. Oppressor does not have to put scum in their votes as far as I know, which means that every other day, more likely than not we're going to be lynching a town, unless Mafia feel daring enough to put one of their own mafia in the list.

Allen is definitely maf rn

dont question my accusation btw or you're maf too

Who is Allen? What is Allen? Why is Allen (scum)?

AllenCaspe9510, its mostly a joke since I'm in a Mafia server with him, he got Mafia or NK like 3 games in a row and managed to screw over town in two of them, so we just basically agreed to always assume Allen is evil.

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Me when i dont detect sarcasm

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Norwee insulted onjit when he got voted by marshmallow and now has turned his back and started to vote marshmallow

town traitor townie

I don't know how the roles were distributed, but if the roles all have equal chances, it's actually more likely somebody will not be part of the town than be a part of it. (13 town vs. 4 mafia, 4 neutral, 6 neutral evil)

I think Town would still start with majority, because considering the posssible roles, I think if Town started without majority, then there wouldn't really be a chance for town to yk, win. I guess maybe it's meant to counterbalance with the confirmed Mayor in the game, but I still believe that Town has at least some kind of majority. which means there's probably 8 or 9 town v 6 or 7 evils

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

About Oppressor, I say we can probably deal with it when it comes - plus, it doesn't stop us from getting info, and we can always sleep. Also, he cannot act until N2, which is more than enough for us to lynch a scum (and perhaps the oppressor himself). It is a very powerful role for sure, though.

Wait i legit didnt even realize that we can vote to skip on Oppressor trials. I suppose it's not as bad then, but its still a wasted lynch. Though, we should still exhaust our options with them in case Mafia do decide to put one of their own on the candidate list.

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

im divinely reading norwee's jester vibes

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Mini, you should set up a marshmallow eating party tonight

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Revealing modifiers might not be a good idea, at least for the time being, considering that Flagbearer is a possible modifier.

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Norwee insulted onjit when he got voted by marshmallow and now has turned his back and started to vote marshmallow

town traitor townie

For the record, the entire jester thing was a joke and was just based off of this post. I don't think Norwee is actually acting jester-like, his reads are pretty consistent through each other, the 'jester thing' was just RVS voting and has almost no bearing on Norwee's jester status, since they're quite literally just random votes.

Rereading posts yet again and saw Norwee wrote this on page 1:

Hey you wanna claim major then all power to ya.
I ain't gonna judge.
No discrimination around these parts no sir.

Would a mayor reveal on day 1 be helpful? That would make an obvious nightkill target for the anti-town players, since they have a confirmed, useful townsperson.

Norwee then follows up with this joke, possibly to ease suspicions:

As i am an scum of the mafia alignment i would like for the major to claim now.

I understand Norwee's activity is useful but I can see how he could be evil as well.

Both of these seem like jokes. And the first was in response to Marshmallow saying "My last post sounded like i claimed Mayor". I don't think this can be taken as Norwee trying to get the Mayor to reveal. Also, I don't think these posts in particular are why Norwee is being put on spotlight, Mutant might have different reasons for why he jester-reads Norwee, but I'm fairly certain the others (if there are any, i can't remember) are only jester-reading based off mutant's accusation.

im just gonna

!vote Onjit

i also townread marshmallow more than norwee, i think marsh explained why they suspect onjit/mutant better than norwee, and by that i mean marsh saw things in a more neutral way? but also more detailed, and their reason still stands. while norwee was just aggressive

marsh also read other people's behavior more actively while norwee mainly focused on onjit

I would say I townread Norwee more, just because Norwee was under accusation, Marshmallow has hardly had anyone going for their head, except maybe Era and maybe Mutant. The way Marshmallow play seems towny, but could also be the works of a good scum player knowing how to look towny. Norwee would do the same, difference is Norwee seems like an exasperated town with trying to get town to participate and with accusations on him, whereas Marshmallow just seems calculating.

This is a certified Norwee Appreciation Post

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ShadowsEdge

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

God i just realized all the spelling errors right after i posted it

Anyway, for other people (which isn't a lot)

Twob is only slight town read, primarily because she just seems to echo other people's narratives, however she did (in a recent post), form reads on both Norwee and Marshmallow (which i quoted in my last post I'm not quoting it again).
Mutant and Marshmallow are both neutral but very slightly leaning scum. I think Marshmallow made good points on Mutant, hence the slight scum read on Mutant.

But some of the actions Marshmallow has done don't sit right with me even though they're playing 'towny'. Things like telling people to not accuse them seems odd. I get the reasoning behind it, but it seems like a way to playfully say "don't accuse me." Although, I can see why this might be reading too much into it, as Marshmallow has yet to make a statement on Era's vote.

It could be Town v Scum, in which case I would lean more into Mutant being scum over Marshmallow (though it's partially an activity thing, and I know Mutant can't be as active anymore).

It is, also, good to keep in mind that Scum v Scum situations can occur considering Neutral Evil roles exist, which is what I'm partially thinking this situation could be, although it's a bit early to tell.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Also everyone is either neutral or too inactive to properly form a read on.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Everyone else*

I always read it in preview but I never notice the mistakes until after posting it AAAAAAAAAA

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Fakeclaiming flagbearer as scum would be dumb: everyone has 2 role modifiers, meaning it's VERY likely there's a Town Sentinel, who could easily out a fake flagbearer.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

There might not even be one.

True, but I think the possibility of it would deter would-be flagbearers from claiming it.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

There might not even be one.

True, but I think the possibility of it would deter would-be flagbearers from claiming it.

what if a fake sentinel claims

If there's a real sentinel, it would just out two scums. Again, same line of reasoning.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

I think the biggest issue is if the real sentinel claims and a fake sentinel counters them. Although a situation like that would just be a 1f1.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

!vote Mutantdevle

Does Gladiator trial override the Oppressor Trial, or do we have to lynch two people today?

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Oh wait im dumb i just read the message, yeah it overrides the trial, but I'd rather lynch Mutant over Norwee.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Onjit is mafia. Mafia only have to take out Mutant to defeat town so it makes sense for him to cc me here.

Something I should clear up as i did ask Mini about it, Flagbearers only make Town lose if they get lynched. Mutant having Bulletproof does nothing to protect town more and just adds more of a threat. I'm inclined to believe the claim is fake because the claim is just *too* perfect. Tying on multiple reasons why we cant lynch him just makes it seem like more that we should. But I'm fine with retracting my vote and sleeping. I don't think lynching Norwee is a good idea, sure Norwee is Neutral, but Norwee's best chance of winning is aligning with town.

If we have a vigi, an easy way we can confirm the sentinels is by having one of them shot, the issue being that Mafia may be able to get a double kill with this as well, and there may be more depending on what the Neutral Evil is.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

If Mutant is the flagbearer and oppressor it's an instant loss no matter what for scum, remember that when reading Altheas arguments here.

If Mutant is scum flagbearer, wouldn't that make Onjit also scum?

Isn't Onjit opposing Althea and Mutant? If Onjit is scum with Mutant you'd think he'd be trying to keep him alive, especially if Mutant is the flagbearer.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Right I missed that. Still, considering Norwee's past behavior, I'd assume he'd be more proactive with scumreading later on.

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