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Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Welcome to Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon. We are looking at unprecedented, troubling times. A plague is tearing through the country, and your government needs your help. Our sources have tracked an infected individual that may be in your area. In order to limit the spread of the plague, we are implementing new measures to help limit the spread of the disease. From now on, you are no longer allowed to go outside of your house at night. Food and necessities are to be rationed. You are no longer allowed to leave this town. Anyone who does not comply with these measures will undergo a democratic trial held by your town’s population, and may potentially be sentenced to death. To ensure these practices stay in place, we have dispatched government agents to help with the transition process. Your democratically elected mayor will be taking a back seat in this transition. Do not climb the wall we have built around town. Please note that we are only doing this for the safety of this town and its important member(s). Do not disobey.

Here are the rules that must be followed at all times:

▼Game Rules

- One in-game day will last 48 hours. One in-game night will last 18 hours. One in-game dawn will last 6 hours. Dawn occurs after a night is over, but before a day begins, and is a time where players receive feedback from the moderator. If you have a usable ability and do not respond in time, your turn will be forfeited, unless you are obligated to perform your role, in which case you will perform your ability on yourself.

- Votes that are not made using the Bold or Header tags will not be counted. Self-votes are allowed. See "How To Vote" below for tips on parsing your votes correctly.

- Do not game-throw, it's not fun for the other players and it's certainly not fun for your teammates (if you have any).

- Follow the rules of the forums and please be nice. Editing will be turned off.

- Orange will be the color I will be using to make posts as the game moderator. Do not use this color or otherwise attempt to impersonate me.

- Players may be prodded after 48 consecutive hours of inactivity by using the !prod <username> command. Players that are prodded for inactivity and don't become active within the next 48 hours will either be replaced or modkilled (if there are no replacements). Being inactive is not fun for anyone, please put in an effort.

- Do not discuss this game outside of this thread or outside of your role PMs unless express host permission is granted otherwise.

- A lynch will not occur when a majority has been reached. A lynch can only occur when the day ends. When a day ends, all lynch votes will be counted, and whichever player was voted for the most will be executed after factoring in role modifiers and abilities. If you do not vote, your vote will be counted as !sleep. Players can vote to not lynch anyone during the day by using the !sleep command.

- At the end of the Day Phase, a player will be lynched even if a (50% + 1) majority hasn't been reached. Rather, the player with the most votes amongst voters (a Plurality) will be lynched. If a Plurality of players vote to sleep, or two options are tied, sleep is chosen as the result.*

- Twilight occurs when the day has ended but the moderator hasn't closed the thread. Talking is allowed during twilight, provided the thread isn't closed. Players nominated for lynch may talk until the moderator announces their death. Once you are dead, you are not allowed to talk in the thread until the moderator has ended the game.

- Users not participating are not allowed to post in the game topic.

- Do not take screenshots or quote anything from your role pm. Do not attempt to fabricate fake quotes or pictures from your role pm. Do not post your Role Card ID, or a fake Role Card ID. This will be punished via modkill.

- To let me know that you've read these rules, please append your first message in this thread with the word "purpose" so that you will not forget that we are here with a purpose.

This game is a semi-open setup, so you will not know what roles are in the game to start. Here is the setup.

▼Setup

These are the possible roles that will be in the game. Not every role is used in the game. A (V) indicates that the action is one that constitutes a visit. The Mayor, Oppressor, Gladiator, and Plaguebearer roles are guaranteed to be in the game.

▼Town Roles

Vanilla - You have no abilities. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Cop - Once per Night, you can target a player to Interrogate (V); you learn whether or not they are Evil. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Sleuth - Once per Night, you can target a player to Investigate (V); you learn their exact role. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Inspector - Once per Night, you can target a player to Inspect (V); you learn their role modifiers. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Gambler - Once per Night, you can choose to predict the death of one other player (that the player will die during that Night or by Lynch during tomorrow's Day Phase. You can also instead choose to predict that nobody will die. If you make a correct prediction, your defense is increased for each correct prediction. With one successful prediction, you are protected from Basic Attacks; with two, you are also protected from Powerful Attacks; with three, you are protected from Unstoppable Attacks as well. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Vigilante - Once per Game, during the Night, you can target a player to Liberate (V); you make a Powerful Attack against that target. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Jailor - Once per Night, you can target a player to Jail (V); that player cannot visit other players, and other players cannot visit that target. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Retributionist - Once per game, during the Night, you can target a dead player to Revive (V); that player comes back to life. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Realtor - Once per Night, you target a player to Invite (V) to the Neighborhood Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with others 24/7, even during Night Phases. Any player can be invited to Neighborhood Chat, but you do not automatically start out with access. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Nurse - Once per Night, you can target a player to Heal (V); they gain Protection from Basic and Powerful Attacks during this Night. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Coroner - While you are alive, players who die will have their Role Cards flipped. If you die and there is no other Coroner and no Undertaker, Role Cards no longer flip. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Criminologist  - Once per Night, you can target a dead player to Autopsy (V); you learn all actions performed on that player. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

Mayor  - Once per Game, during the Day, you can choose to Reveal your role; the judge will confirm that you are the Mayor. While revealed this way, your 1 Vote counts as three votes. You are town-aligned. You win when all evil roles are eliminated.

▼Mafia Roles

Goon - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. Once per Night, you can choose 1 player to Murder (V); you deal a Basic Attack against that player. You are the only Mafia role in the game with a killing ability, so use it wisely. You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

Undertaker - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. While you are alive, players who die will have their Role Cards flipped. If you die and there is no other Undertaker and no Coroner, Role Cards no longer flip.You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

Forecaster - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. Once per Night, you can choose to predict the death of one other player (that the player will die during that Night or by Lynch during tomorrow's Day Phase. You can also instead choose to predict that nobody will die. If you make a correct prediction, your defense is increased for each correct prediction. With one successful prediction, you are protected from Basic Attacks; with two, you are also protected from Powerful Attacks; with three, you are protected from Unstoppable Attacks as well. You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

Oppressor - You get access to Mafia Chat, a private chat where you can communicate with other Mafia members 24/7, even during Night Phases. On every even Night, once per Night, you can select 3 players; players must vote amongst these three players during the next Day Phase, or they must vote to skip. You are mafia-aligned. You win when there are none left to oppose the Mafia.

▼Neutral Roles

Gladiator - Once per game, during the Day, you can Declare one other player; the game host will confirm that you are the Gladiator, and for the rest of the Day Phase, all other players now must vote amongst you and your target. A majority of players in the game (50% + 1) must vote for either you or your target to be Lynched. If no Majority is reached, you die. Not voting in this instance is counted as a vote to sleep.* You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if a majority vote is reached against your Declared target.

Jester - On the Night after you are voted out, you can choose 1 player to Vindicate; an Unstoppable Attack is made against that target. You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if you are voted to elimination.

Survivor - Up to three times per game, once per Night, you can put on a Vest; you gain protection from Basic and Powerful Attacks for the Night. You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if you survive to the end of the game.

Executioner - You are assigned one player at the start of the game. Once per Night, if you haven't already won, you can have the judge reassign your target to a different, randomly chosen player. You are neutrally aligned with yourself. You win if and only if your assigned player is voted to elimination.

▼Neutral Evil Roles

Serial Killer - Once per Night, you target 1 player to Stab (V); you make a Basic Attack against that player. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Plaguebearer - Once per Night, you target 1 player, dead or alive, to Infect (V). If that Infected player visits another player, they also Infect that player. If another player visits an Infected player, the visiting player is also Infected. When all players in the game have been Infected, including all dead players, you become a Pestilence during the next morning, and the judge publicly announces that a player has become a Pestilence. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Pestilence - You are protected from Basic, Powerful, and Unstoppable Attacks. Any player who visits you is dealt a Powerful Attack. Once per Night, you can target 1 Player to Doom (V); you deal a Powerful Attack against that player and any player who visited the player you Doomed during this Night. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Voodoo - Once per Night, you can perform one of two abilities:
• Select a player and Craft a Voodoo Doll in their image (max one at a time each).
• Select a player that you've already made a Voodoo Doll of and another target; Force that player to perform their Night Action on the other target, expending that player's Voodoo Doll in the process.
You cannot be visited by players that you have made a Voodoo Doll of. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Hexblade - Once per Night, you can choose one player to Hex. If all other players alive are Hexed, you can instead deal a Basic Attack against all Hexed players, causing your Hexes on them to wear off if any survived. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

Arsonist - Once per Night, you can perform one of two abilities:
• Select a player to Douse (V).
• Ignite, dealing a Powerful Attack against all Doused players, after which all players are cleansed of being Doused.
Players that visit you are automatically Doused. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

These are the possible role modifiers in the game. Not every role modifier is used. Each player will be given two role modifiers to keep throughout the entire duration of the game.

▼Role Modifiers

Breadcrumb - If a Breadcrumb player is lynched,  if their Role Card is flipped, so too is the history of each Night Action they took.

Bulletproof - A Bulletproof player is protected from Basic Attacks, if they weren't already.

Complex - A Complex player can perform their Night Actions on all players except for Vanilla and Goon.

Delayed - A Delayed player's Night Actions resolve the Night after they use them, even if that player died.

False Flag - A False Flag player shows up as evil if they are town-aligned, and town-aligned if they are evil.

Flagbearer - A Flagbearer is representative of a single faction in the game. If a Flagbearer of a faction is Lynched, then that faction will automatically lose the game.

Hammering - A Hammering player's vote against a player only counts if it is the vote that creates a majority against a player.*

Hated - One less vote is required to Lynch a Hated player. If a tie occurs between a Hated player and a regular player, the regular player takes precedent.

Impulsive - An Impulsive player cannot choose to not perform their Night Action. They must perform their Night Action if it is possible to do so.

Loud - When a Loud player visits another player during the Night, that player is informed that the Loud player visited.

Macho - A Macho player cannot be Healed.

Novice - A Novice player can't use their Night ability on the first Night.

Reporting - The results of a Reporting player's Night actions, as well as the Night Actions themselves, become publicly announced at the start of the following Day.

Roaming - A Roaming player can't target the same player for their Night ability twice in a row.

Sentinel The Sentinel always knows who the Flagbearer of their faction is.

Simple - A Simple player can't perform their Night Actions on any players except for Vanilla and Goon.

Smelly - A Smelly player causes all players that are visited by the Smelly player to appear evil for the rest of the game.

Here are some rulings regarding the game if anyone is confused:

▼Rulings

• If you die, you keep the role and alignment you had when you died, as well as any boons you might have had. Therefore, if a Retributionist revives you, for example, and you were a Pestilence converted from a Plaguebearer, you come back to life as a Pestilence. If you died while having access to the Neighborhood chat thanks to the ability of the Realtor, then you regain access to that chat. If your defense was increased because you correctly made predictions as a Gambler or a Forecaster, you regain your increased defense.

• The game does not end if one role wins. For example, if the target of an Executioner is voted out, the Executioner wins, but the game still continues. If the Jester is voted out, they win, but the game still continues. The game will only end when all remaining players have either won or no longer have an opportunity to win.

• Unless it breaks the rules of the game or is otherwise noted, all roles may target themselves with their own abilities. Killing roles are not allowed to kill themselves. A Goon cannot kill any of their teammates, even if they are forced to by the effect of a Voodoo.

• If your role meets the requirements to win, you win even if you had died earlier in the game. For example, if Town wins, it counts as a win for all dead players aligned with the Town as well.

• Wins are announced at the end of the game, even if a role wins the game before the game is over.

• Tying votes will result in nobody dying, and the game continuing on to Night.

• A Hammerer's vote will only count if that vote creates a majority. For example, if there are 6 players in the game, four votes are required for a majority. Therefore, the Hammerer's vote will only count if it is the 4th vote on a player.

• A Breadcrumb player will have the feedback they received from the moderator publicly announced upon their lynch. These results will not show if they are nightkilled. So, for example, if a Goon were a Breadcrumb, and they were lynched, each player that they targeted for the kill would become public knowledge.

Any further ruling questions will only be answered through private messages with the host in your role room.

Here is a list of commands that you can perform during the game:

▼Commands

!vote <username> - This command can be used to vote for someone you want to lynch. Please use header tags.

!unvote - This command can be used to signify that you'd like to retract your most recent vote. Please use header tags.

!sleep - This command can be used to vote to skip lynching any players for the day. Please use header tags.

!prod <username> - This command can be used to prod a player who has not been active in the thread in the past 48 successive hours.

!votelist - This command can be used to request a full list of votes from the game moderator. Vote count posts made by the host will not factor in role modifiers or abilities, and will simply only list players and their votes.

!confirm - This command can be used to confirm that you are active within the game in response to the role PM or a prod.

!reveal - This command can only be used by the Mayor or the Gladiator, and signifies that they are requesting a confirmed roleclaim from the moderator.

You can only use these commands in this thread! I will not accept any of these commands if they are made in a PM!

Here's a guide on how to vote and use BBCode for anyone unfamiliar with how these forums work:

▼How to Vote

Whenever you are writing out a reply, you might notice some buttons above your input field. You'll notice they all have different text within them, and they may have a different look depending on the theme you are using. The buttons are as follows:

For general posting, you should not have to use many of these. Clicking on any of the buttons will automatically parse their functions in the post for you in brackets. Any text you want the code to apply to should be placed within the tags. The following are the only BBCode tags that you might find useful in this game.

When you are placing a vote, your vote must be made using Header text! The H button creates header text. When placing a vote, it must be done using header text, and it will look like this.

!vote Minimania

So, should you wish to use header tags for vote, your input should look like this.

[h]!vote username[/h]

Here are some other uses for tags that you may find useful throughout the game.

B creates bold text.

I creates italicized text.

U creates underscored text.

S creates strikethrough text.

COLOR creates colored text. As stated before, Orange is the color I will be using for modposts, so do not use this color to try to impersonate me. Your input should look like this:

[color=red]Red Text[/color]

HIDE creates text that can only be viewed by highlighting it, and it will look like this.

QUOTE will create a quote for which you can quote other players with. Each post will have a button at the bottom which will allow you to quote their full post, but if you want to quote only specific text, you can highlight specific sections to quote them. Should you decide to quote a person with a specific username, your input should look like this:

[quote=username]Text[/quote]

SPOILER will allow you to hide text under a button that must be pressed for you to view it. This is helpful if you have a lot of text and don't want to drown out other posts. If you want your spoiler to have a specific title, your input should look like this.

[spoiler=title]Spoilered Text[/spoiler]

Here is how the Town Rolecard ID template looks:

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Here's the player list.

Player List:

1. AllenCaspe9510
2. 2B55B5G TNG (she/her)
3. Abiqi
4. Mutantdevle - Oppressor: Bulletproof, Flagbearer
5. ShadowsEdge - Mayor: ???, ???
6. Norwee - Gladiator: ???, ???
7. N1KF - ??? - Breadcrumb, ???
8. Onjit
9. MartenM
10. ExFabian
11. Althea - Undertaker: Hammering, Hated
12. ZeldaXD - Jailor: Reporting, Roaming
13. IrrelevantGaymer (they/them)
14. Era
15. Marshmallow Marshall - Nurse: Loud, Roaming

Host: Minimania (Next/Victim)

The game started Sunday, July 10, 2022 at Midnight (12:00 am) PST.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Just to adjust people's expectations of me (for those that know me), due to my irl purposes, I am not going to be as active as I used to be when we regularly played mafia. I quit mafia because my life got busy and that very much still stands, I just felt like coming out of retirement a little for what looks like a fun game more out of nostalgia than anything else. That said, I fully intend to keep up with the game in terms of reading and, knowing me, I'll still treat you all to a few walls of text here and there

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

I get performative vibes from this, as in not natural attempt to look useful like a townie vibes.

What is it about what he's doing that looks *unnatural*?

Of course it's going to look performative

It's interesting that you agree that you're being performative.

i like shadow, norwee, marshmallow, and N1KF so far because they seem to be leading or at least have some sort of read

I'm very concerned if your attitude to town reads is to blindly trust the most vocal players. That makes you either a very manipulatable townie or someone who is looking for an easy way to generate reads.

This sorta came out of nowhere, since Onjit just made two edgy posts barely related to the game.

This why he is scum.

I'd expect this take from any of the people who are new to this forum. But someone like you who is familiar with Onjit should be fully expecting Onjit to do this kind of thing. So I find it very strange that you would think this.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Am I the only one who expects the Coroner or Undertaker here? I want those damn cards flipped

also i think an interesting thing to think about is, if there's an undertaker and we know who they are, do we lynch them? or do we keep them alive to ensure that rolecards flip (assuming coroner doesn't exist for whatever reason)

I'd say we do lynch them. It definitely sounds to me like there will be multiple coroners/undertakers in the game. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't any of either as that would be a little cruel. From a game design perspective, given the number of possible roles and modifiers in the game + third parties, it wouldn't make any sense for flips to be something that is easily lost.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

I don’t buy the meta card sorry Mutant.

Aka: "Oh Onjit always does this"

It's not mafia meta. It's his personality. Regardless of his alignment or role he's gonna joke around a bit. I agree that his alignment would influence this behaviour, but not in any way that would be tangible to us. I don't believe that you genuinely think that Onjit's behaviour is scum.

I can't remember who said it but I agree that you're giving off jester vibes.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

2b and Marshall are still my townreads.

can you explain why

I'd like to hear your answer to this too @Norwee

Seems to make sense to me. A bit too much willing to put a target on someone.

It's really too early to make any sense of this right now. There is not much to go off, except some people putting targets on themself.

You know i think it’s just that you are all so incredibly passive, it’s kinda ticking me off ngl
Not easy for me to fit in when my playstyle is to aggressively hunt the scum.

To be fair, I can't remember ever successfully lynching someone day 1 - and we've definitely tried. I dunno about the games y'all played after I stopped though.

That being said, what I absolutely do not like here is you putting words in N1KF's mouth: never did he say that he was indeed performative (in the meaning of "just trying to look useful"). He said he was LOOKING performative because he was actually trying to do stuff, which absolutely makes sense from a town point of view.

This is a fair point about what N1KF said; though, I don't appreciate the accusation that I was intentionally putting words in his mouth. To me, it felt like his statement was in agreement with what you said.

What pinged me more about Mutant is how he seemed to be sermoning 2B for townreading certain players.
Like: "Oh no, you're not allowed to townread someone for that".

Again, this feels like a bad take from you to me. And somewhat ironically to my prior statement to Marshmallow, I would accuse you of deliberately twisting my words here and attempting to mock my argument. I'm not criticising 2B for "townreading certain players", my criticism was very specifically about him declaring that he thinks all the vocal people are trustworthy. You know as well as most that being active and helpful does not automatically make you a townie.

Would a mayor reveal on day 1 be helpful?

Definitely not, but to be fair I don't think Norwee was being serious. We don't know for certain that there are any protective roles in the game so I don't think anybody should be taking that gamble.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Sorry 2B and N1KF, I do know your pronouns I just wasn't thinking about pronouns when I wrote that post. I'll be sure to be conscious of who I am talking about when posting in the future.

mutantdevle, is there anybody you're suspicious of? You've written a lot but haven't posted any sus readings yet.

Yes. I was originally not planning to give any reads today, but in writing this post I've changed my mind, so see the end for my reads thus far.

Maybe i've just gotten spoiled then cus most sites i've played mafia on since the last game on this site which was forever ago, i've been in company where most players do indeed agree that day 1 elimination is superior to skipping day 1.

Yeah, lynching day 1 is 100% the way to go. No self-respecting mafia site would let itself have a meta of not lynching day 1. But EE is not a mafia site, its mafia games are much more casual and it doesn't have the activity to support day 1 lynching. I gave up trying to convince people that day 1 lynching is optimal years ago. I admit that there is more of a chance of getting a lynch through today due to the outside influence of other mafia players, but I don't have the necessary effort in me to help fight for that.

I'd explain the reasoning but it might go over your head due to how advanced they are.

What is the point of this comment?

Norwee is the only person I'd say I'm suspicious of so far. It's still early game so reasons for criticising others are never going to be the strongest things ever, but I feel like Norwee's attacks against others have been weak because they should know better about the things they are criticising. Norwee has also dodged questions asked and instead has focussed on keeping attention elsewhere. In general, I just feel that they are being intentionally difficult and so far have come across to me as manipulative.

2B I have a strong town read on. She has made an effort to explain her thoughts without always being asked to and when she has been questioned on things I have liked her responses.

Marshmallow and N1KF are slight town so far. I don't have too much of an explanation for these, I just like what they've been doing. I guess the difference is that N1KF is behaving how I'd expect a town person familiar with EE mafia to be behaving and Marshmallow is behaving how I'd expect a town person who is unfamiliar with EE mafia to be behaving.

Everyone else I don't really have an opinion on yet nor do I feel like I have anything to add to the discussions surrounding others.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

I'm very grateful to still be alive and I'll be sure to make sure you guys don't regret it but like... wtf was that utter assassination of Marshmallow??

Marshall i hope i’m not wrong in thinking you were indeed scum with that incredibly vague last post of yours after being chosen for elimination.

I think this is a good point, but regardless, that vote switch at the end is completely bizarre.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

This is literally the worst situation possible. I am very glad that y'all have taken such extreme actions without me even replying

I am a Coroner with the rolemodifiers bulletproof and flagbearer.

Hence why I was so confident that there will be at least 1 coroner in the game and why I said this:

I'm very grateful to still be alive and I'll be sure to make sure you guys don't regret it

I suspect that the reason there is no kill is because I was attacked last night.

I think this is a good point, but regardless, that vote switch at the end is completely bizarre.

This harsh dig at Onjit because he voted Marshmallow at end of day doesn't seem partnered, Onjit/Mutantdevle less likely allied.
Onjit could still be neutral evil but not mafia imo.

This comment was more about N1KF than Onjit. Though I suspect that N1KF is a sentinel, who can now reveal themselves to save me?

I'm gonna have to

!vote Norwee

because they've forced the vote between us.

Right now I wish I could be questioning Era though because I'm not even sure if they intended that as a role claim/accusation or if it was just a fun picture to accompany their vote?

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

There is nothing to gain for town from voting me. !TownMutant would know this. Instead he immediately goes for agression and tries to have me killed.

Are you kidding? We literally lose if I get lynched. Why would I not want you dead instead of me?

I would agree that it isn't worth voting you, if it wasn't for the fact that you've literally forced the vote between us.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

This is literally an claim designed to make it "Ohhh 2scary" to eliminate him when he is caught.

You're never going to entertain my claim no matter what it is. You're only objective now is to have me lynched.

As much as you would like to say you are sided with the town, and I am sure that was your original intention, your only purpose now is to convince people that I am not worth listening to.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Basically, the truth is 100% irrelevant to you now.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

There is nothing to gain for town from voting me. !TownMutant would know this. Instead he immediately goes for agression and tries to have me killed.

Are you kidding? We literally lose if I get lynched. Why would I not want you dead instead of me?

I would agree that it isn't worth voting you, if it wasn't for the fact that you've literally forced the vote between us.

You can also note no elimination. That was my point. Did you even read up to now?

Is that actually an option? I assumed it wasn't given the nature of your role.

A no elimination is not in your interests though. You'd never allow that to happen.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Basically, the truth is 100% irrelevant to you now.

From your POV Era would be confirmed scum. Instead of trying to talk about the implications this has for you, you only care about elimming me.

No, the only thing I care about right now is not letting my entire faction lose the game on day 2...

Obviously I do strongly think Era is scum. But that is very literally an issue for another day right now.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Though tbh, the one conciliation with my death is that a game of mafia versus pestilence with a whole bunch of people without purpose just randomly about the town would be hilarious to watch.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

I'll bring out some more details about why Era's claim is trustworthy once Mutant is done clowning.

I doubt I have anything more to say until N1KF gets on. So you do you.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Also, just to make my stance on Norwee clear. I don't care whether we lynch them or vote to skip the vote. I'm not prepared to waste my time arguing for either direction there. My focus right now is 100% on survival.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

This comment was more about N1KF than Onjit. Though I suspect that N1KF is a sentinel, who can now reveal themselves to save me?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … nknown.png

Not just the vote itself, she also asked for my reads without ever questioning my alignment. That made me begin to suspect that she knew my alignment and hence why I said I was slightly town reading them. Their comment at the end of the day about how I had the most votes and that the vote could easily be swayed + then following that up with ensuring someone else instead of me got lynched just solidified that feeling.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Do you have any reason for suspecting this or is it just because you claim to be bulletproof? For all we know, it could be because N1KF was jailed last night.

No, it's just speculation. There's definitely a range of explanations for a lack of any night kills. If I was the target of the night kill though, then I could see that as motivation behind why Era has made this claim against me. But again, just speculation there.

Bulletproof Flagbearer Coroner is such an meme claim.

If by your own admission it is a meme claim, what possible motivation would I have for making it? You honestly think I'm just "having a laugh" here??

Also, I think my modifiers make sense tbh. I was thinking that the reason for it is that it forces people to get rid of me through voting, hence making the flagbearer status more significant. Marshmellow's flip makes me think that I am right in that logic as it is clear that everyone's modifiers are thematic and purposely chosen. Eg. one of yours is voting related when your objective is to lynch me.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Of course okay bulletproof flagbearer coroner does sound ridiculous, but everything is possible for the lols

If so, why would they assign mutantdevle as their execution target. Each night the executioner can change their target at will. And Mutant is one of the more competent players here so i doubt they would choose them as their priority execution lim.

Are we certain Era would know that? Also, as you've said, there is a distinct lack of roles which can mess with investigation results. Any claim was bound to be believed without question.

http://0x0.st/o11w.png

Are you joining Norwee in the act of completely misrepresenting my arguments? I have stated quite firmly that I would have no interest in voting out the execution if it weren't for the fact that they are trying to kill me and I have also said that lynching Norwee is not something I'm arguing for. I'm just as happy voting to skip the vote. It's entirely down to everyone else whether we lynch norwee or skip the vote.

Also, literally where is N1KF? She was so active yesterday and I'm still fairly confident she can clear everything up here. Though ngl I am starting to feel more and more hopeless.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Voting out the exectutioner*

Also, to be fair, I did go into the night willing to vote norwee today since I did scum read them. But I fully agree that voting out an executioner who is willing to side with the town is a bad thing to do. It's just unfortunate that the executioner decided to 1v1 someone that we literally cannot let die.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

This is honestly hilarious

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Y'all spent so much time saying how ridiculous it was that I could be the flagbearer and now that it suits your narrative you're finally willing to believe it.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Norwee is going to do everything in their power to get me lynched today. They literally lose if they don't.

Onjit is 100% scum. They know if they lynch me now they've eliminated an entire faction. All they'd have to do then is find the pestilence and kill them.

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Either way you look at it, we've already found two of the mafia. Either the mafia is me + Althea or Era + Onjit. All I'm asking is that you give me an opportunity to prove myself.

I mean think about it, if Althea and I are mafia then how long are we actually going to survive for? As soon as any of Onjit, Era or Althea die, we will immediately know the truth. At most, we'd live another 2 days and that's it.

There is literally no need to lynch me today when the facts are so provable.

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