Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 16:14:38

I’m just gonna be honest here, I was never town to begin with.
I cooperated with a bunch of people since D4,
Orton told me that he directed Task to Allen, Allen claimed to have a different alignment.

Unless Orton and Allen cooperated for some reason and lied to me (what’s the reason to do that anyway), I believe Allen is town.
I’m not falling for anything.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 16:44:02

Why would Orton cooperate with me if he was already cooperating with Allen though. Orton could just reject my invitation to cooperate, and he'd still win if Allen is mafia.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 16:49:07

!whisper

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 16:56:13

There's literally no way that Allen knows Orton and me are cooperating, and told Orton to tell me that he controlled Task to Allen.
I think Orton has only been whispering you and Jawapa, it's near impossible that he told Allen about this.

Orton even suggested me to not lynch today. If I lynched you and you're actually a Survivor, I'd be dead for sure. There's no reason for Orton to stop me if he's cooperating with a mafia.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 16:56:36

only whispering you and me*

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 17:37:28

I'm vamps with Exco, Orton knows that.
The situation right now is 2v1v1v1 (vamps vs mafia vs town vs witch) / (vamps vs mafia vs surv vs witch).

Tell me why Orton would stop me from lynching. If Allen is mafia and he's cooperating with Orton, the outcome Orton would most likely want is for me to not lynch mafia, making it 2v1v1, mafia kills a vamp, and I'd lose. He knew I was already planning to lynch you, so why stop me if Allen is mafia?

Your logic is based on me and Exco being town, but we're not.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 18:05:18

mrjawapa wrote:

Not lynching always benefits the mafia

Not in this case. Again, Orton knew that I plan to lynch you, I wouldn't have changed my mind.
If Allen really is mafia, you being lynched only benefits Orton and Allen.

Maybe he's trying to play safe, but it's gonna be 1v1v1v1 if nolynch happens today, since mafia will definitely kill a vamp. Majority is 50% + 1, if the next day another vamp is lynched, it's still 1v1v1, Witch doesn't know if Mafia will betray, I don't know if a Witch+Mafia win is possible as well since mafia can just kill Witch in the end.
To me it makes absolutely no sense for Orton to team up with mafia, regardless of who it is, a Witch+Vamp win is much more safe.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 18:32:35

Literally what's the point for the Witch to team up with mafia, if almost every scenario requires mafia to be dead.
It all just goes back to why Orton stopped me from lynching you.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 20:12:14

Why should I even believe that you're a Survivor, at least Allen kinda has proof that he's Monster Slayer.

I checked whispers, and I'll mainly focus on you, me, Task, Allen, and Orton. Anyway, starting from Day 4, page 14.
Post #335, I assume Allen whispered to Task about being Jester.
Post #336, Task whispered two people, probably Allen and you. You told me Task told you that Allen claimed jester relatively early during D4.

Post #344, Task whispered me, expressing interest to cooperate with me since I claimed Cookies.
Post #345 and #346 were me responding to the whisper.
Post #347, Task whispered to 3 people, one of them is me. The other two are probably Allen and you.
Post #348 and #349 was when I lied to Task about you being dangerous.

Page 15,
Most of it were you talking to Task, and me talking to you.
Post #369, Allen whispered 2 people. He whispered me and someone else, idk if the second one was Orton.
The rest was just us whispering each other.

Page 16,
Post #383, you asked Orton to address the accusation that he's Witch.
Post #392, Orton whispered, probably responding to you. If that was to respond Allen, you probably would've called him out.

Page 17,
Post #401, another whisper from Orton, again I assume he's whispering to you, since in post #403 and #404 you whispered again (one was to respond to me).
Post #406 and #407 were probably both of you whispering each other.
Post #409, Task whispered me, addressing why he didn't attack Orton (he said he's not Monster Slayer). He also whispered another person.
Post #416 and #417, Task whispered me and someone else. I assume you.

Page 17,
Post #432, Orton whispered me, agreeing my plan.
Post #434 and #437, Orton whispered me again.
Post #440 to #443 are probably you and Task whispering each other.

Now this is probably a possible time where Orton and Allen whispered.
Post #444, Orton whispered.
Post #448, Allen whispered.

Post #449 and #450, Allen whispered to me
Let's say Orton somehow teams up with Allen out of nowhere, for some reason whispers Allen to claim Cookies to me, somehow knows that Task is Monster Slayer (Task could be Vet), and told Allen to claim to have a different alignment after Task is dead.
What doesn't make sense is that between post #448 and #449, there's a one hour gap, if he agrees with Orton, he should've whispered me that he is Cookies right after that.

Day 5, page 19,
Post #475, Allen whispered me and someone else, probably you.

Page 20,
Post #478, you probably whispered Allen about him fakeclaiming as Jester.
Post #480, you told me that Allen lied about being Jester.
Post #482, you whispered me about the role list.

Post #483, Orton whispered me and someone else.

Post #486 and #487, Exco whispered to me.
Post #489, you whispered someone.
Post #490, Orton whispered me.

Post #497, Orton whispered me and someone else.

Page 21,
Post #503, Allen whispered me, agreed with cooperating.

Post #506, Allen whispered to someone else.

Post #510, I whispered to Allen.
Post #511, Allen whispered to me, said that Task claimed Vet.
Post #512, I whispered to Allen again.
Post #514 to #517, me and Allen whispered each other.

And page 22 to 23 is where the argument till now starts.

I'm not gonna unvote, but I want Orton and Allen to say who and what they whispered in parts that I bolded.
I might change my mind and vote Allen if there are discrepancies.

Tell me if there's anything wrong btw, there was a lot.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 20:21:09

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Page 17,
Post #432, Orton whispered me, agreeing my plan.
Post #434 and #437, Orton whispered me again.
Post #440 to #443 are probably you and Task whispering each other.
Now this is probably a possible time where Orton and Allen whispered.
Post #444, Orton whispered.
Post #448, Allen whispered.
Post #449 and #450, Allen whispered to me
Let's say Orton somehow teams up with Allen out of nowhere, for some reason whispers Allen to claim Cookies to me, somehow knows that Task is Monster Slayer (Task could be Vet), and told Allen to claim to have a different alignment after Task is dead.
What doesn't make sense is that between post #448 and #449, there's a one hour gap, if he agrees with Orton, he should've whispered me that he is Cookies right after that.

Page 18*

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 21:07:28

There's just one thing I don't understand.
I don't get why Orton would go through loads of efforts just to betray me.
There's plenty of things he could've done to make it much more easier for him.

For example, telling me who mafia is.
If it's Jawapa, that means Allen is town, we lynch Jawapa, converting Allen, we get the W.
If it's Allen, that means Jawapa is Surv, we lynch Allen, we get the W as well.

Sure he suggested nolynch, but the intent was because he wanted to make sure that Allen wouldn't do anything. If he even lied about that, that means he wants mafia to kill vamps, and wants to be in a 1v1v1v1, instead of securing his win Day 6.

It's why I don't believe that Orton is lying. Lying means he wants to win with a much more difficult way.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 21:42:37

!whisper

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 21:47:58

I'm still gonna wait for Allen and Orton to respond.

I really think that it's unnecessary for Orton to lie to me but whatever.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 22:10:01

!whisper

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 22:12:52

orton why did you control Task to Allen instead of controlling him to someone much more safer? makes no sense to me

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 22:32:25

why did you tell me to nolynch btw.
if a maf is lynched today, even if allen attacks one of the vamps, it's still 1v1v1 (town vs vamp vs witch), you'll definitely side with vamps.
the reason you gave doesn't make much sense to me considering i can still win as long as i lynch the maf today.

also, who did you whisper in posts #444, #483 and #497?

2b55b5g · 2021-05-09 02:40:21

!whisper

2b55b5g · 2021-05-09 02:54:29

!whisper

2b55b5g · 2021-05-09 21:31:37

witch mvp

mrjawapa

2b55b5g · 2021-05-09 21:39:59

you have no idea how stressful this was when i had no teammates for 4 NIGHTS
almost gave up when my bite failed the third time lmao

2b55b5g · 2021-05-09 21:42:36

should've listened to me when i lied about jawapa being dangerous smh
anyway that was fun pls dont make me evil again

2b55b5g · 2021-05-09 22:06:52

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Dying Night 1

the curse continues

2b55b5g · 2021-05-09 22:25:47

i probably looked like a fool when i claimed cookies and VT lmao

2b55b5g · 2021-05-10 00:00:15

i think allen would've unvoted if you had more time

Minimania

2b55b5g · 2021-05-10 01:24:42

i did the fake claims cuz i wanted to be seen as a stupid town
but now i realize i probably just panicked and did a stupid move because i had no teammates

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