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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Why do you think that my lack of motivation to catch scum came from me being scum and not a lazy townie either????

You have a history of putting less effort in as mafia.

Furthermore, your lack of motivation to catch scum is just one point in conjunction with your general lack of a townie attitude towards this game.

Also, can I just say. Not answering questions is not actually a reliable scum trait. When I first started playing mafia I also thought it was scum trait and I can't remember a single time when I've lynched a mafia after they didn't answer my questions but I can remember powerlynching townies for it.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I didn't originally reply to this because I didn't feel much point in debating with you after I had already voted.

Gaining fun out of it is a selfish motivation that is more common among scum than it is town.

Scum could try to feign a town motivation, especially in this game with two scum teams where you can genuinely scumhunt as a scum player
but this spins into a WIFOM tbh

Scum feigning town motivation has nothing to do with what I said. You claimed that part of your motivation behind voting Norboy was the fun you'd get from **** him off. There is no town motivation there.

i forgot about the "precious discussion time" and how much it matters so yeah call me scum for that one

Yes, I will call you scum for it. Not being considerate of discussion time shows a lack of a townie mindset. The fact that you've put precious discussion time in quotes suggests that your mocking it's important which just shows that your lack of valuing discussion time was not a simple lapse of thinking.

yeah i am because the game recently started and id rather form opinions about people by looking through their isos later when theres enough posts

You've not shown signs of this at all throughout the game. Please point me to a single instance where you've gone back through someone's iso to form a read on them. Furthermore, I do not recall this method of game solving ever being your playstyle so you have no excuse not to have been forming reads as you go.

First of all, a lot of them are just commentary and he doesn't take a stance.

i dont want to take a stance when theres barely anything so shut

Secondly, what he says isn't too relevant to reactions to him voting for norboy and is a more general read of the game. Thus, it shows that he really doesn't care about game solving based on his vote and what he said about that is a bunch of ****.

the comment on norboy is written based on his reaction to my vote
the comment on peace is written based on his reaction to both mine and jawapa's votes
so stfu thanks

I specifically said not too relevant. If you truly intended to form reads based on your vote on norwegianboy I'd fully expect you to have more to say about it. It is very clear that your vote was not motivated by solving the game.

In my opinion, criticising someone for saying they are town is just as inane and stupid as claiming you're town. This criticism extends to everyone that was like "eyy Crybaby, whatchu doin' that for?"

i have explained why im criticising that claim so sheesh
also how is this a point for me being scum if this applies to a multitude of people, including norboy whom flipped town?

Your explanation of how it would possibly make Crybaby scum is tenuous as best. Someone claiming they are town is not a scum tell.

Just because other people also did it doesn't mean you're exempt from it. Furthermore, this was not necessarily a criticism of you being scum but rather a criticism of you in general. Scum can make these sorts of criticisms of people to try and look like they are game solving when they are not. So the less people making these kinds of criticisms the less opportunity scum has to do that.

Though, I would like to point out that, whilst everyone else was simply criticising the pointlessness of Crybaby claiming to be town, you turned it into a criticism of Crybaby's alignment. That very much seems to me like scum over compensating and trying to look busy.

This is quite ironic coming from someone whose ****, I assume, is quite raw from the amount of fences he's been sitting on this game. It's also quite an odd criticise to make of 2B55 since he always does this and even acknowledged he was sheeping in the post that Task is criticising.

tu quoque?
point me to these fences
acknowledging that you're sheeping doesn't suddenly make your sheeping valid and town motivated, by doing it you're just setting forth an excuse in case the person whom you sheeped turns out wrong and thats scummy

The fences you're sitting on aren't necessarily you saying "it could be this or this" but rather your seeming refusal to make any sort of conclusions whatsoever. You've frequently thrown out comments like "this is a scum flag" but you've not expressed reads unless prompted to hence giving you wiggle room to take a different stance.

What actually are your reads Task?

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Are you suggesting I'm jumping on the bandwagon? If so, that's not true. It's really not "opportunistic". He's had plenty of chances to give an explanation to his actions, and he's put no effort into it. Instead, he gives a vague reply, and tries to steer everyone in a different direction.

Proc started replying here where he asked about what questions he hadn't answered. Whilst he waited for a response he started giving detailed scum reads. He got a response here and gave his answers here.

Between his response and your votes none of you expressed any dissatisfaction with his answers. You just voted him despite having plenty of time left in the day to talk with him. You all spent so much time pressuring him to answer your questions yet none of you gave a **** when he answered them.

Which could serve as reason as to why you'd want to keep task alive and lynch the opposing wagon even if you weren't scum with task.

What?

Your point was that if you were worried about people scum reading you then you would go for me first. However, as I have said I plan to move on to solving you once task is solved. Hence, if taskmanager stays alive it delays me moving on to you. By lynching proc you kill 1 person who scum reads you and delay the other person from talking about their scum read. Basically, your point that you'd go for me first is invalid.

Then tell him what you find unsatisfactory about his answers before you vote him...

It was. By a few people, multiple times. We had to pull teeth to get him to even acknowledge the questions.

I've explained how this isn't true above in this post.

whats powerlynching

lynching with passion

So what processor is trying to do with task?

Not really no. Proc's push against task is no different to your push against him. Powerlynching is basically when you are so convinced of your own argument that you're not willing to even consider alternatives.

Not answering questions is not actually a reliable scum trait.

If you are acting sus, and someone asks for info on it, and you avoid the question entirely, that's scummy. It seems like you're trying to avoid the attention, and hide something.

But processor hasn't avoided the questions entirely. He first of all missed the point of what was being asked of him, then everyone started saying things like "oh he's avoiding questions!". He then asked for clarification on what you wanted answered, gave his answers, and then you all voted him anyway...

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Also if you look at the timestamps he answered my questions a minute before I voted for him, I only saw his reply that he made a couple posts before my vote, which was his opportunity to be up front but he didn’t really do so.

So why didn't you wait for him to reply? You just assumed he wasn't going to. His post before your vote had nothing to do with your questions, it was a large post that he had clearly been writing for a while. Now that you know that your vote was premature, do you regret it? Because I think your vote is completely unjustified.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

i was likely going to vote for proc anyway.

Why, what other scummy stuff has he done that made you want to vote him?

But processor hasn't avoided the questions entirely. He first of all missed the point of what was being asked of him, then everyone started saying things like "oh he's avoiding questions!". He then asked for clarification on what you wanted answered, gave his answers, and then you all voted him anyway...

i am so certain that he was just playing dumb by asking for clarification

Please tell me what about his wording made you think this.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Apologies for the lack of activity this game day.

I don't actually have a chance to properly post until midway through tomorrow. Considering the votes already on me, that's likely going to mean that I'll be lynched by default simply because I might not have an opportunity to reply to anything that's been said.

So, since this might be my last post in the game, I'm going to give some quick general thoughts.

Being wrong about processor doesn't mean I'm wrong about TaskManager. I still maintain that most of the reasons behind processor's lynch were flawed primarily in that a lot of the things y'all were claiming were scum tells were not actually scum tells. You just got lucky in that he did actually turn out to be scum.

I've not read anyone's reasons for voting me but I'm presuming the reason mostly boils down to "he was wrong about processor so he's scum". Such a reason should be heavily scrutinised for its obvious fallacy and I think it's a line of reasoning that is inherently opportunistic in getting me lynched. Obviously, this doesn't count so much for peace since he always bases his votes and reads on face value.

I think TaskManager and jawapa are not only scum but also on the same scum team. An explanation of this will be the focus of any further posts by me but I don't have time to go into that tonight.

If I had to give a definitive answer on the third person I'd say ele. But I'm also a bit suspicious of both buzzerbee and Onjit.

Peace is obvious town. Shadow, diff and crybaby also strike me as townie. 2B55 is mostly null but I kinda default that to town given my much stronger scum reads.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Okay, I'm here now for the remaining 6 hours/until my death. I will now begin my case against jawapa.

Though, TaskManager needs to be lynched before jawapa, so I'm going to park my vote there.

!vote TaskManager

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

▼Part 1 of jawapa scum:

So, first of all, I would like to reiterate that I did not find jawapa's initial 'wasted' vote on peace to be scummy. peace is typical lynch bait that lynches tend to default to in the early game and I felt that jawapa's vote was just preemptively taking that stance. Whilst this is something I think could have scum motivation behind it, at the time it would have been impossible to discern this from town doing the same.

I do take issues with jawapa for separate reasons though.

At the time that I wrote this I had 3 issues with jawapa. First of all, he had done no scum hunting whatsoever by this point in the game. His only real (serious) contribution, aside from his vote on peace which he claims was to get things started, was this post:

I'm betting norboy and task are a scum team.

He does not give any justification for this. And although he is at least forming a conclusion, this still isn't scum hunting as it's not based on anything he himself said or did.

This wasn't something I had noticed at the time, but going back through the thread I've realised that he ignored Norwegianboy's request for him to explain this read:

I'm betting norboy and task are a scum team.

Based on what?

I find it hard to believe that jawapa simply missed this question as Norwegianboy posted twice in a row. The second post is where he tells jawapa he doesn't have a say as he already voted which, as you all know, jawapa replied to. So I do find it tenuous that jawapa could have missed the 3 words above it. link to posts.

My second issue with jawapa was a combination of a few of his actions. It is clear from this post that he has a desire to take the game seriously:

TO JAWAPA AND TASKMANAGER: GOOD JOB IN WASTING YOUR VOTE NOW YOU CANT UVOTE FOR THE REST OF THE DAY THANK YOU FOR NOT SOLVING THE GAME

We have to start somewhere. My vote is not wasted. You fold under pressure, and it becomes pretty obvious if you're scum.

He also made several **** posts. Yet, he had this comment to make in response to processor:

Jawapa is more likely to just be playing idiotically (cf. last game)
So I'm giving them a pass this time

I know exactly what I'm doing.

I played GOOD last game. Some of you are just not as good as you think you are.

Obligatory, "it's D1 ****-posting... stop taking it so seriously."

Does he think we should be taking the game seriously? Does he think **** is fine? His early actions here felt like a having-your-cake-and-eating-it-type situation.

Finally, the third thing that I found worth investigating about jawapa was this comment of his:

i dont know how do you picture "fighting to live" but im not going to scream "im town!!" 50 times because thats pointless and annoying
if you have questions for me then go ahead ill answer them

I agree with this. I dont know what you guys expect vanilla townies to say when everyone is against them.

I didn't like Task's point here and I didn't like jawapa's need to defend it. This is what put me in the mentality of associating Task and Jawapa.

Each of these 3 things are not particularly scummy by themselves. However, in combination with each other they made me suspicious of him. At this point in time I did not scum read him.

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▼Part 2

Jawapa claims that one of the reasons he finds me scummy is that I did not respond immediately to the question of why I took issues with him. But here's the thing, at the time, he did not give a **** and he accepted my response that I would explain later.

He wooted my post where I said I would explain when it was more relevant and then made this post:

I do take issues with jawapa for separate reasons though.

Would you like to explain?

When it's more relevant, yes.

Cool

I'm gonna scum lean norboy and guess his partner is diff

I'll call peace town

Mutant probably town

If ele and proc would like to join us, that would be great

"cool" is not the kind of word I'd expect someone who was discontent with my answer to use. If jawapa really took issue with my response, why did he call me town immediately after? If he did take issue with it and thought I was town anyway, what made him think I was town despite it?

It was only after other people started criticising me for not answering the question that jawapa started to care about it.

This post is bizarre in and out of context, but the context is that mutant had been harassing norboy the whole day before this, not task like you seem to think. He wasn't going after task then taking a sharp right turn to norboy, he had been going after norboy the entire day and then did a weird fake out with task before taking norboy out.

You're right. I went back and checked all of his posts, and it turns out I'm an idiot.

Okay, scratch most of what I said. Mutant is still acting odd, and some of his posts are still scummy.

I guess I'll go through posts and try to find another conspiracy theory.

The fact that he did not even at least reconsider his stance on me after Diff pointed this out to him is incredibly scummy. His belief that I had suddenly switched from task to norboy was the main factor behind his scum read on me. When he realised he was wrong about this, his reaction wasn't "huh, I need time to reread/reconsider mutant's actions" it was more "he's still scum, no exceptions".

This was what jawapa said about why he scumread me:

Mutant
He's been acting oddly suspicious. It's weird how he was pressuring Task, and then suddenly went for Norboy. This post is scum indicative. He wanted to keep everyone focused on the current bandwagon. Based on numerous posts, I think mutant is scum. I think he believed Norboy was also scum, and didn't want him lynched. The mafia teams have the same objective, and they benefit from keeping each other alive. This would be why he was pressuring task so much, and tried getting him lynched. I think he hammered Norboy instead of Task because of the suspicions starting arise against him [mutant]. If norboy was mafia, mutant would get town credit.

This is what it looks like when you remove what he got wrong:

Mutant
He's been acting oddly suspicious. This post is scum indicative. Based on numerous posts, I think mutant is scum.

The post he links is where I explain why I didn't want to talk about jawapa yet and why I voted before task answered me. As we've established, he didn't have an issue with me not talking about him. So I guess what he finds scummy is my explanation of not waiting for task to answer. So what do you find scummy about my explanation jawapa? Also, what are my numerous posts that you found scummy? I'd love for you to explain why you still scum read me at this stage despite realising that all of the points that you had vocalised against me were invalid.

Here, I also asked jawapa to explain why his read on me went from town to scum. He said in this post that he would respond to me later but never did. (Side note: it's ironic that jawapa avoided my question in a post where he criticises proc for avoiding a question lol).

Some other aspects of his reads list are also scummy:

Processor
Has been pretty inactive. Posted a few reads, but gave no support for them. Flipped some reads, and didn't provide evidence for the change.

I first thought task/norboy could be a mafia team. There was a past game where they were both mafia, and they argued a lot to throw the town off. With norboy flipping town, I'm not sure how to feel about task. I'm not convinced he's scum, but I think it's a possibility.

Here he is majorly fence sitting. With Processor he criticises him yet doesn't give a read which gives him the option to go either way with it. As for his statements surrounding task, I feel like it highlights what his plan was with the previous lynch. If Task had flipped scum, the association he had drawn between the two would allow him to also get norwegianboy lynched. With norboy flipping town, it allows him to back off of his scum read on Task which he had planted so that the two would be less likely to be associated with each other if either of them were to flip.

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▼Part 3

Despite Proc being scum, I think that Jawapa (and Task's) approach to him was also scummy. In a standard game Processor flipping scum would have made me reconsider my scum reads on both jawapa and task. However, there are 2 scum teams in this game and I think jawapa and task are on the same one. I'll outline how Task's actions made me believe that jawapa was scum with him in part 4.

This is where jawapa originally asks Processor some questions. I later make this post where I also expressed a desire to have these questions answered after buzzerbee made this post. So at this point in time it is clear that a fair few of us want processor to speak up a bit more. This was proc's response:

I'm also waiting for Processor to reply about his flipped reads. Very odd to do that without any elaboration

I do this all the time tbh.
(check my past games)

It's because I sometimes lack the time to explain everything.

Prompting these responses from jawapa and I:

It's because I sometimes lack the time to explain everything.

Well now we're asking you to explain them.

That being said, what do you guys think of lynching TaskManager today?

Stop avoiding the question.

I do find jawapa's post here quite townie. He's following up on a question he asked whilst applying pressure with his word choice.

Processor then answered here:

Both mutant and peace have shown genuine interest in solving the game

peace also voted on Task, who is my scumread at the moment

Mutant was rather passive toward the game at the start, but looking back I guess it was because the game had just started and he was not emotionally invested in the game
At least that's my theory, what do the others think?

After this, jawapa posts a fair few times. None of these posts contain any discontent for Proc's response. Ele asks a question to Prcoessor and TaskManager then asks proc a whole bunch more questions here. Before Proc has time to respond Buzzerbee makes this post:

Proc isn’t answering questions and seemed to vote task to get the attention off of him. Not saying I think task is inno but I think Proc is a safer lynch

I'm giving BuzzerBee the benefit of the doubt here in that I think he said this because he missed Proc's response to his questions. The alternative is that BuzzerBee considered Proc's lack of posting in the 11 hours since Task's post as intentionally not answering. [BuzzerBee please confirm which of these it is.]

BuzzerBee's comment causes peace to prematurely vote for proc immediately after. Ele then waits for a 12th hour before voting for proc. Ele either also missed Proc's response, expected an answer to task within 12 hours, or is just scum who was looking for an easy way onto the wagon (If I'm wrong about either task or jawapa then I think it'd be the third option). I think it is also worth pointing out that processor had not posted between ele's question and ele voting for him.

Following all this, Proc asks for clarification of the questions that he hasn't answered here. Buzzerbee responds immediately after.

Jawapa makes it clear that he did not miss Processor's original response when he says this about it:

I wouldn't say you answered the questions. You tip-toed around them and tried to misdirect everyone to task.

As I mentioned earlier, Jawapa did not criticise Proc's answer when he first posted it and he had plenty of opportunities to do so. Instead, he waited until everyone was circling him to added fuel to the wagon that was building on him.

Processor then answer's Buzzerbee's post. Despite this, BuzzerBee, jawapa and Task all vote for him which pretty much seals the lynch. BuzzerBee claims that he didn't see Proc's response before the vote which I do believe due to the timings. Jawapa also claims to have been ninjad by Buzzerbee though his reason for lynch processor is instead that the quality of the answers isn't good enough. Task votes for processor not because he failed to answer his questions but because he also doesn't like the quality of his posts. Basically, it seems to me like task and jawapa were always gonna vote Processor either way.

So in conclusion Processor's lynch was a giant **** mess. People kept missing posts, gave no regards to Processor's activity and mistakenly believed that not answering questions was even a reliable scum tell. Fortunately, Processor happened to be scum. If Processor was more active and more observant of what was being asked of him then he wouldn't have been lynched. Any typically inactive townie could have swapped positions with Processor and they would have been mislynched. Though I suppose none of that matters since it worked out for us anyway (a "you could have died", "but I didn't" type of situation). The point is that jawapa's role in this cluster **** was to simply add fuel to the fire. His delayed criticality of Proc's answers suggests that he really didn't care about Proc's role or his answers and just capitalised on the opportunity to have him lynched for it. TaskManager also did this to a certain extent and ele gave Processor no opportunity to defend himself (but not in a townie way. In fact, reading back through all this has made me realise just how scummy ele's actions were in the processor lynch).

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▼Part 4

This post is a list of all the things that I think potentially tie jawapa and TaskManager together as a scum team. If I could only request one thing after my death it would be to lynch one of these two. If they are scum, lynch the other one. If they are town, lynch ele (and then lynch the other one anyway because there is literally no way at least 1 of them isn't scum).

I'm betting norboy and task are a scum team.

Jawapa throws out an early read scum read on Task. He never properly explains it or pushes it.

i dont know how do you picture "fighting to live" but im not going to scream "im town!!" 50 times because thats pointless and annoying
if you have questions for me then go ahead ill answer them

I agree with this. I dont know what you guys expect vanilla townies to say when everyone is against them.

This is where he next mentions Task where he is defending him despite the previously asserted scum read.

I'm gonna scum lean norboy and guess his partner is diff

He maintains his scum read on Norboy yet randomly drops the suspicion of task without explanation.

Even though you already voted, your input still matters. The only reason Norboy was correct was because you allowed him to be.

I'm aware. I'm just trying to prove a point.

Most of the discussion held on D1 would not have happened if task and I hadn't cast random votes.

There is nothing else to go by.

The purpose of this post is for jawapa to gain town credit. This post isn't scummy. Townies want town credit just as much as the scum do. But he makes a point of directing some of that town credit to TaskManager thus it is an association.

I first thought task/norboy could be a mafia team. There was a past game where they were both mafia, and they argued a lot to throw the town off. With norboy flipping town, I'm not sure how to feel about task. I'm not convinced he's scum, but I think it's a possibility.

This is his only attempt to explain his read on Task and why it has changed. This to me just seems like an excuse to not be scum reading task whilst leaving an opportunity open to vote for him as he is aware that he is not completely out of suspicion. His explanation that his scum read of task was based on his scum read of Norwegianboy also raises the question of why he didn't feel the need to mention his scum read of Task back when he maintains his scum read of Norwegianboy or why he suddenly thought that diff was Norboy's partner instead of Task.

That being said, what do you guys think of lynching TaskManager today?

Stop avoiding the question.

@mutant I'll respond to your questions in a bit.

I want onjit and ele to chime in.

He could have answered Processor's question as well as criticise him but chooses not to give his opinion on Task being lynched.

Can we get the Task lynch going now please?

!vote TaskManager

And when they flip town... we lynch you?

Defending Task again. This isn't necessarily scummy but is, at the very least, 'odd' considering Jawapa used to scum read Task and has not expressed any strong town feelings since.

Someone, anyone, please explain to me why we have stopped suspecting TaskManager?

I haven't. I think you're acting more suspicious than task.

Here jawapa confirms that he is still suspicious of Task. If this is the case then why has he never provided any criticisms of Task? He clearly thinks that Task is scummy but doesn't want to draw any attention to it.

In this jawapa tries to undermine the wagon on Task at every opportunity. He even goes so far as to say:

At the beginning of D2, Processor and Mutant tried getting Task lynched again.

As though us wanting to lynch task is inherently scummy (thus discouraging it). I guess his point is that since proc was scum, and he wanted to lynch task, anyone who wants to lynch task is also scum?

Meanwhile, TaskManager never interacts with jawapa. He mentions him briefly when talking to other people but that's it. He gives no opinion on Jawapa. He doesn't praise him, he doesn't criticise him, he doesn't ask him anything. I think it's very obvious from rereading Task's iso that he has no interest in engaging with jawapa and I'd even go as far as to say that he is avoiding him. I recall that in purgatorEE, after Task's flip, his lack of interaction with Crybaby was partially responsible for us sending Crybaby to hell.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

now as i read you think task/jawp is a team why do u want task dead first?

Well that sounds p convincing to me. Not sure why we go after Task instead of Jawapa after reading all that but I don't want to split the vote even further and I don't think you're scum rn.

!vote TaskManager

Some of my points against Jawapa derive from Task being scum whereas Task is scummy 100% independently from jawapa. Also, whilst jawapa probably has more scummy actions than Task does I see a lot more scummy motivation behind Task's posts.

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Meanwhile, TaskManager never interacts with jawapa. He mentions him briefly when talking to other people but that's it. He gives no opinion on Jawapa. He doesn't praise him, he doesn't criticise him, he doesn't ask him anything.

I'd just like to add to this that they've also wooted a fair amount of each other's posts. By itself, that's not necessarily scummy but it does raise the question of why all their agreements with each other have been expressed exclusively through woots and not through text.

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I'd just like to scrutinise this post by TaskManager to make an example of the scummy motivation he has underlying almost all of his posts because it really **** me off when I skim read it before going to sleep last night:

I've not read anyone's reasons for voting me but I'm presuming the reason mostly boils down to "he was wrong about processor so he's scum". Such a reason should be heavily scrutinised for its obvious fallacy and I think it's a line of reasoning that is inherently opportunistic in getting me lynched. Obviously, this doesn't count so much for peace since he always bases his votes and reads on face value.

"i didnt read what you guys were saying but youre obviously wrong"

I think TaskManager and jawapa are not only scum but also on the same scum team.

>OMGUS

What is the motivation behind Task making this post? Is it to defend himself against points I've made against him? No. Is he picking apart what I've said to show how I'm scum? No. He's simply trying to make me look bad. No assessment of my alignment, just that what I've said is bad. Because unfortunately bad is associated with being scum.

"i didnt read what you guys were saying but youre obviously wrong"

If you have mentioned my town read on Processor as part of why I should be lynched then my comments are justified and it shows that I have a solid understanding of both how you work and how the game works. If you haven't, then the townie thing to do would be to point out that since I'd expect you to do that as scum you not doing it is evidence that you are town.

>OMGUS

In what sense is this OMGUS? I've been critical and suspicious of both of you long before either of you were suspicious of me. And if you mean that, in response to both of you voting for me, I've suddenly decided that you're on the same team then I'd like to point out that it's very obvious that I've held the opinion that you 2 are scum together for quite a while. Why else would I be so intent on having you resolved before Jawapa?

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I'm a little worried about Shadow, we got like minutes left in the day and they still haven't voted.

I kinda think Shadow is town based on this alone. I feel like scum would be more aware and paranoid about dying if they fail to vote.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

yo what the **** im droppign some suspictiolous on task becsue proc heabvily wanted task dead

How do you know that's not what proc wanted you to think? He could be tricking you into thinking task is town.

(This is an argument made using peace logic specifically designed to convince peace).

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Look at mutant/procs iso.

It's more than mutant being unaware.

Mutant is absolutely scum.

How about you pull out examples from my iso and explain why they are scum and not town who has got it wrong.

How about you look through proc's iso and look at who he's tried to implicate towards the end of the day.

Be quick, because very soon you're going to have to go through my iso again but this time with the knowledge that I'm town.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Why are people still scum/null reading task?

Why should we be town reading task?

I'd genuinely love for you to explain why.

I have to leave in the next 10 minutes and I almost definitely won't be back before the day is over. So I'd really appreciate it if people could make sure he answers this on my behalf.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Mutant please bless me with your wisdom why Onjit

It was based on my general lack of opinion of him (PoE). After reading back through various parts of the thread when isoing jawapa I now think Onjit is town. The same applies to BuzzerBee. I think BuzzerBee is more town than Onjit. I wish I had time to fully explain these reads.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Final reads list from town to scum:

Peace
Different55
ShadowsEdge
BuzzerBee
Onjit
2B55
Ele
Crybaby
Jawapa
Task

Any reads changes that I've not explained come from me rereading various posts whilst delivering my case on jawapa and general flicks through the thread just now/within the last 3 or 4 hours. My personal recommendation would be to lynch people from the bottom of my list upwards but y'know my opinions would probably change if I was alive and you should have your own opinions and stuff.

Goodbye.

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I blame peace for quickvoting Ele like that

Ahh yes, because we would have won the game had he not done that.

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