Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Kira · 2020-01-21 14:18:42

Welcome to Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette

Host: Kira

Setup:

- 13 players
- 2 Mafia A
- 2 Mafia B
- 9 Vanilla Townie

Information:

- This mafia is Nightless meaning that there is no night phase, thus no night kill for mafia.
- Each In-game Day will last 72 hours.
- You cannot revoke your vote, once you place it, It is absolute.
- There has to be a lynch everyday, nolynch is not allowed.
- #8A5C5C is my color. Impersonating me will get you modkilled.
- You have to post at least once every 24 hours. Failing to do so twice will get you modkilled.
- In case of a tie, both players will be lynched.
- You are forced to vote if majority has not been reached and day is about to end.
- All forum rules apply.
- Vote in h tags.
- You are expected to put a minimum of effort in your posts. (I'm looking at you Peace)
- I may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.

Roles

Welcome to game! You are a Vanilla Townie.
You have no active abilities.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Welcome to game! You are a Mafia Goon A/B
You have no active abilities.
You may communicate with your ally through: [Quicktopiclink]
You win if all threats to the mafia are eliminated and at least one scum-aligned player from your universe (A/B) is alive.
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Alive Players

- BuzzerBee
- mrjawapa
- peace (1 warning)
- Different55
- Eleizibeth (1 prod)
- Onjit

Dead Players

-Norwegianboy (Town)
-Processor (Mafia Goon)
-mutantdevle (Town)
-2B55B5G TNG (Town)
-TaskManager (Town)
-ShadowsEdge (Town)
-Crybaby (Town)

Remember have fun! Game will start once every players have confirmed their role.

Minimania · 2020-01-22 00:02:35

Processor wrote:

Give me attention

Hey, big boy ♡

Processor, rat, Different55, 2b55b5g, mutantdevle, ShadowsEdge, Darvi

Minimania · 2020-01-22 01:46:37

mrjawapa wrote:

I played GOOD last game. Some of you are just not as good as you think you are.

The irony is astounding

Minimania · 2020-01-22 03:16:40

We got an einstein over here

mrjawapa

Minimania · 2020-01-22 17:08:22

Hot take early prediction: The Mafia are Norboy, Task, Mutant, and some other fourth person.

Pqwerty

Minimania · 2020-01-23 17:01:05

BuzzerBee wrote:

Looking at Crybaby, who hasn't posted much of substance

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Crybaby also isn’t that active and solvey as pointed out by someone else earlier, opinion on that?

Completely understandable from both of you, but it's entirely because of college. My schedule's really booked this semester. I'm away from home all day on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and yesterday I wound up missing the bus twice (getting hopelessly lost in the process) and stranded in the ghetto part of town, making me more than 30 minutes late for a participation based class, yikes. Glad I didn't end up getting shot but there was no real way I could commit myself to posting any sort of reads. I realize that I have 32 hours left, I'm shooting for when I finally get home tonight at around 10:00 pm PST (it's currently 7:57 AM here... yeah) to make some sort of post.

And I realize that this sounds kind of convenient and like an excuse, but I don't mean for it to be, it just happened this way. I'm able to be way more active over the weekend. If you want to kill me now because of the inactivity, then I guess that's understandable (though it'd be a mislynch), but if I end up living, and you end up suspecting me further during the weekend, that's understandable too.

As for my vote,

!vote TaskManager

Minimania · 2020-01-23 22:31:46

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Crybaby wrote:
I'm able to be way more active over the weekend. If you want to kill me now because of the inactivity, then I guess that's understandable (though it'd be a mislynch), but if I end up living, and you end up suspecting me further during the weekend, that's understandable too.
Why is it understandable that we'd suspect you?

Because my behaviour here is different than it normally is

TaskManager wrote:

Crybaby wrote:
(though it'd be a mislynch)
Why do you deem that necessary to point out?

Because I'm townclaiming

I'm in a short passing period right now, I just got out of the library finishing up work for an English 102 class, which starts soon but I had enough time to make this post to clear those things up.

If ya need to see to believe, I'll show the assignment without my name when I get home.

Minimania · 2020-01-24 07:14:39

Your boy is home, time to start cracking some heads.

Minimania · 2020-01-24 08:30:16

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TaskManager wrote:

game effectively started and im going to effectively get things effectively going
!vote NorwegianboyEE

My activity effectively started and I'm going to effectively get this post going

Besides being a really stupid move, I see two possibilities for what this is. 1) scum ratting another scum out for memes at the beginning of the game as some sort of (really bad) strategy, or 2) you made the post without looking at the setup so basically this is the basis for my entire read against TaskManager.

mrjawapa wrote:

!vote peace

Jawapa you like to play in ways that make me **** my pants and copying TaskManager isn't doing you any favors.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

So ignoring those losers. Be careful not to place your vote yet, since it can't be taken back until a lynch happens and the day ends.

Epic timing my guy. Not only did you miss the mark by two posts, but one of them was a vote for you. I see this as you putting a bandaid on the "booboo" TaskManager is pretending to make by voting "without having read the setup". Essentially, I'm saying your post here is fashioned to make it look like TaskManager made a misplay on accident, when it could be on purpose as a part of some strategy to separate the both from each other.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
game effectively started and im going to effectively get things effectively going
!vote NorwegianboyEE
Question, is this type of playstyle where you don't care at all about making the right choice (as evidenced by voting someone who hasn't even posted yet) on day 1 going to be indicative of your future play in this game?

This post further supports my previous statement, not because he addresses TaskManager, but rather because he refuses to address Jawapa. (Consider this the only reason I don't scumread Jawapa currently).

TaskManager wrote:

also worry not, i know that i cant revote now, in fact i deliberately joined the game intended to vote someone asap because of this mechanic

Here is a bit of counter-evidence to my earlier theory, this post where he claims to know what the setup was entirely before making his post. I still have an explanation for why he could still be scum, however. a) The post could just straight up be a lie, a bandaid of sorts that Norwegianboy told him to post (interestingly enough, this post was made sometime after he already made a post, did he just not think about responding to what Norboy said until after his first post... right after he responded to Norboy's post? b) He could be telling the truth but the situation is simply just fabricated and not a coverup of a misplay.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

How is that beneficial to town in any way other than making yourself (if town) seem suspicious for no reason? And why did you choose to vote me? Was there a specific reason for that?

More distancing, looks like they're just setting up a narrative.

Different55 wrote:

It's a ploy to make him seem less scummy because scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves or something idk

Ahhh thank you Diff, your explanation seems very logical and coming straight from the mind of a Mafia member. Good thing you totally aren't one.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I was also considering that it might possibly be co-ordinated because: "ThErEs nO wAy ScUm WoUlD dO tHaT!1!" but it could also just be town trolling, it definitely doesn't make me feel better about them though.

Yeah, I'm considering this possibility too...

TaskManager wrote:

youre first on the playerlist and you always grow mad over mafia games

This is a really **** excuse to vote for Norwegianboy when Peace exists in this game

Processor wrote:

I'm ok with getting rid of Task
They lack the motivation to catch scum
Jawapa is more likely to just be playing idiotically (cf. last game)
So I'm giving them a pass this time
But Task... He is a smart boy

Even though this post is slightly suspicious, I don't get any vibes from Task that scream "I'm baiting the scum, just watch me" none of his posts came across that way, unlike a post like this:

Processor wrote:

Give me attention

Which seems more geared towards starting some sort of conversation (though it ended in hey there big boi)

mrjawapa wrote:

Processor wrote:
Jawapa is more likely to just be playing idiotically (cf. last game)
So I'm giving them a pass this time
I know exactly what I'm doing.
I played GOOD last game. Some of you are just not as good as you think you are.
Obligatory, "it's D1 ****-posting... stop taking it so seriously."

1. You don't seem to know what you're doing, but if you really actually do, then you should probably say what you're doing
2. You played terribly last game, even if I didn't play well either.
3. Oh okay, then I'll assume the rest of your posts mean nothing from here on out, unless I come across something juicy.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

A bit disappointed the "2 mafia teams" setup was chosen over one 3 man mafia team, i feel like the game is more strongly scum favoured now since town can’t properly detect towniness from scum lynches because of paranoia that the people wagoning could be scum from the other team. So definitely complicating things.

Do you prefer coordinating with all of your teammates?

I'm sure scum team that doesn't wanna get mislynched by the other scum team would like to have some sort of way to tell them not to vote for them. What you mentioned is a double-edged sword against the Mafia, so calling the game strongly-scum flavored either seems misinformed or misleading.

BuzzerBee wrote:

This is my first mafia game on these forums so take this with a grain of salt but eleizibeth just commenting “seecond” seems like a quick way to get your name on the thread without attracting too much attention. Could say the same about peace’s “first” but that seems more innocent than “second” somehow

I don't think you're scum Buzzerbee but I wouldn't look too far into **** unless they actually gave some sort of information.

Different55 wrote:

mrjawapa wrote:
Obligatory, "it's D1 ****-posting... stop taking it so seriously."
The lack of night phase and permavotes have kinda stamped that out for me idk about the rest of you.

Yes we can all relate because we are all completely used to doing nothing in the night phase, good thing you as a definite vanilla townie would not have had anything to do during the night phase if there were one.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I’m willing to vote Task purely for the OMGUS assuming i get no better leads today.

Yeah I'll keep this in mind buddy.

BuzzerBee wrote:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Hiya. Do you have experience from other sites/RL or is this the first time?
I used to play Epicmafia ALL the time years ago but I definitely don't play often anymore

So basically what we should do is not underestimate you, got it.

TaskManager wrote:

But then you're no better than me! Heck, you could easily be a scum taking the opportunity to wagon a townie that made themselves look scummy
I'm sure it's what is going to happen anyway, i.e. scum grabbing such opportunity soon

Haha the irony...

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

But that could easily be what you were planning all along, doing something scummy as scum intentionally then crying foul when townies want to vote you for your obviously scummy action by claiming it is what "they" want.

hahahahaha.......

Also I'd just like to thank Diff for wooting this post. Completely normal thing for any town to do.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

And it's true what Processor said, you're a smart boy. So i could easily imagine scum!you instavoting someone just for the memes of doing it as mafia and then bragging about it later.

It's like you're just spoonfeeding us your guys' strategy at this point.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I won't especially fight for a Task lynch today since i want to sort everyone else, but i wouldn't necessarily oppose it either.

So basically this post is setting up the expectation that you're gonna be flimsy with how you vote today in order to lessen suspicions on you for when you inevitably don't vote for your scum partner.

TaskManager wrote:

Anyone could be grabbing this opportunity not just you

You can say that again!

TaskManager wrote:

Maybe it's out of character for town!me to do that, yeah, but we haven't played this mechanic before, thus a new approach

Sure, blame it on the mechanic you totally didn't claim to already completely know about before joining the game

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I don't get this point, are you saying we should townread you for your pointless action? That anyone who thinks it's suspicious are "scum grabbing the opportunity"? Sure there most definitely will be scum on anyone's wagon since there are two mafia teams. But it doesn't absolve yourself from being mafia.

Kinda weird how you chose you completely ignore his other point as if it wasn't suspicious at all.

TaskManager wrote:

I never said you should townread me bro
I'm merely pointing out that scum could grab this opportunity to jump in and that I'm not necessarily talking about you

1. Good cause I'm definitely not townreading you
2. Good thing you made sure to specifically tell us that Norboy is someone you weren't necessarily talking about, that way we can be sure that you and him are as far apart as possible in this game.

mutantdevle wrote:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:
TaskManager wrote:
game effectively started and im going to effectively get things effectively going
!vote NorwegianboyEE
Question, is this type of playstyle where you don't care at all about making the right choice (as evidenced by voting someone who hasn't even posted yet) on day 1 going to be indicative of your future play in this game?
This is a red flag for me for TaskManager; however, I think jawapa's early vote is valid.

I share this feeling.

mutantdevle wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
youre first on the playerlist and you always grow mad over mafia games
If he always grows mad over mafia games, then how does voting him help you solve his alignment? Voting someone to gauge their reaction is valid game solving. But if your expectation was that he'd get mad, then clearly you had no intention of game solving.

mutantdevle wrote:

No. Why lynch both when we could lynch 1 and then lynch another the next day? There are no night kills, there are no night actions. If a situation is TvS then we can lynch the scum first to have a better outcome than lynching both at once or we lynch the town first and have the same ultimate result as lynching both at once. There is no punishment for waiting.

mutantdevle wrote:

peace is town so far. I'm thinking different is town. Norwegianboy gives me scummy vibes.

My current intent is to vote for taskmanager. If I do not like his next few posts then I'm going to vote for him.

Now these are the posts of someone who seems like they are trying to solve the game. And yeah, Diff is totally town.

TaskManager wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
If he always grows mad over mafia games, then how does voting him help you solve his alignment?
it doesnt but i found it funny
i want to see who'd follow through with either side of the wagon and what would be their reason for doing so

Bored of **** with peace?

TaskManager wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
TaskManager wrote:
i want to see who'd follow through with either side of the wagon and what would be their reason for doing so
And what conclusions have you made thus far?
we're not even 24 hours into the day, could you not

Yeah could you not try to solve the game man? You're **** up all my logic bro

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Protip: if you townread me i'm scum. If you scumread me i'm town.

Scum Detector is going crazy on this one

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I'm used to being scumread so i just take it for granted lmao. I was gonna ask why exactly you scumread me, but i guess you didn't so whatevs.

Pssh, yeah, it's all cool. No need to suspect you .

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Why did you lie about that though. I usually think you’re a honest player as town so i thought you were genuinely scumreading me. Hence i was a but confused there.

Is this your first time playing with Mutant like Jesus if you knew anything about him you'd know he can be very dishonest when he wants to be

TaskManager wrote:

there wasn't even enough time for some people to take any stance on all of this, 2b buzzer and ele for example
so not much to draw conclusions from

Nonsense

Crybaby wrote:

Hot take early prediction: The Mafia are Norboy, Task, Mutant, and some other fourth person.

Update to this: Take Mutant off the list, for now.

TaskManager wrote:

Crybaby wrote:
Hot take early prediction: The Mafia are Norboy, Task, Mutant, and some other fourth person.
heck i would be proud of myself if i legit pulled that off while being teammates with norboy

Yeah if you could achieve that that would be awesome!!!

peace wrote:

alos if you woudl have to devide the scum teams hwo woudlbe on A/B an dhwo woudl be on A/B? (nto that th A/B matters but who do you htink are pared

Norboy and Task are paired.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Task explained his vote tho. Did you not read.
TaskManager wrote:
i want to see who'd follow through with either side of the wagon and what would be their reason for doing so
Although at last it was quite useless because no one joined the wagons

This post alone pretty much makes me scumread 2b. TaskManager's logic was flawed and tore open by Mutant. Didn't you read?

Different55 wrote:

Norboy usually gets himself killed way later in the game after he's made 500 suspicious posts in a row. You opened the game with an unremovable vote for him.
That said even as scum that's a dumb move. If you're trying to get a townie lynched you picked a bad one. Norboy doesn't need any help getting mislynched.

Hahaha just kidding this post makes me scumread Different. Lick my pants Diff

Okay but really, it looks like you've realized that Norboy and Task are the other scum team (thank god for that woot on their post you made earlier) and are trying to defend Norboy.

mrjawapa wrote:

I'm betting norboy and task are a scum team.

Dude this is a golden post, best post 10/10.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

mrjawapa wrote:
I'm betting norboy and task are a scum team.
Based on what?

Yes ask him for the reasoning behind his reads but not mine

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Also you kinda wasted your vote on Peace already, so you don't really have a say anymore Jawapa.

As Task put it, scum flag. Just because he can no longer vote does not mean everything he has to say is completely invalid.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
Plot twist: I was lying about lying as I was interested as to what your reaction would be. Particularly, what you'd have to say about making a statement that turned out to be advising me that I should be scum reading you.

To clarify: I do find you scummy.
To clarify, i was worried about the fact that you were actually townreading me, thus proving my theory meant i was scum. Because i usually bother with popularity contests and staying unlynched when i'm scum. So you townreading me would obviously expose me as such. But realizing that you were actually double lying means my theory is true because a scumread Norwegianboy is a town Norwegianboy. And that's just how it is.

Ah yes, this will fix all the scummy posts you made earlier, no doubt. That and Diff protecting you.

mutantdevle wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
Crybaby wrote:
Hot take early prediction: The Mafia are Norboy, Task, Mutant, and some other fourth person.
heck i would be proud of myself if i legit pulled that off while being teammates with norboy
I accept the possibility of both Task and Norboy being scum. I don't accept the possibility that they are on the same scum team.

This is interesting, why not?

TaskManager wrote:

how many layers of irony are you on
mutantdevle wrote:
TaskManager wrote:
there wasn't even enough time for some people to take any stance on all of this, 2b buzzer and ele for example
so not much to draw conclusions from
You don't need everyone to take a stance in order to make conclusions. You can make conclusions on those who already have taken stances. I'm asking you for those conclusions.
diff seems to pop in and make random comments about norboy just to seem active, i dont agree with the post where he says norboy gets himself killed deep into the game, that is factually wrong
ele is sheeping and only made a post to avoid getting prodded, i dont remember who pointed this out but her initial post could be perceived as a "see, im active and posting! now bye im gonna lurk", though that may not necessarily be the intent
norboy: i feel like town!norboy could have made a more fierce response to my vote in his very first posts in this thread, instead he just shrugs it off
im not sure what to think about that though, i know how town!norboy would rather prove his point than survive a wagon
i also dont like how he twisted my words on one occasion and i dont understand what is he trying to achieve by posting memes in the thread
this post is a red flag for me

1. Yeah, Diff just seems really shady, doesn't he?
2. True, Norboy tends to get himself killed at the start of the game. He's done it at least twice in memory.
3. Judging by how Kira pinged Elei to tell her she was about to be prodded on Discord, I'd agree and say it seems like she's just trying to avoid being modkilled.
4. i lov meme

Different55 wrote:

I mean I just spit out a random number but if you want to go reading too far into that be my guest. That changes literally nothing about the *actual* point I was making which was that Norboy would be an odd person for scum to try to mislynch since he has a long and glorious history of doing that all by himself.

If only he were clearly doing that this game

Different55 wrote:

Didn't say it was town indicative it's just Something That You Usually Do That You Are Not Doing Currently. And the people want to know WHY

Asking the same question Mutant already asked twice doesn't really constitute as much of a post of substance

eleizibeth wrote:

yeah, i did only post to avoid getting prodded, Kira just pinged me like 16 minutes before i posted that saying that he was gonna prod me, so i tried to post before the 24 hours, but i was 1 minute late, still didn't get prodded though so success

Oh **** I was right

(by the by I'm making this post by going through the entire thread, I've only skimmed through it before starting the post so naturally I missed posts like this)

Dude I'm **** tired and don't feel like finishing up right now, it's almost 11:30 pm and I want to go to bed but tl;dr I think the scum is divided between Norboy, Task, Diff, and 2b.

Oh ps here's the assignment: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PBv … sp=sharing

I'm going to sleep good night

2b55b5g

Minimania · 2020-01-24 18:53:24

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Another **** case from Crybaby where he makes up an conclusion in his head from the get-go and then finds posts to support the narrative by inserting sarcastic quips and lolsmileys to mask the fact that he’s got no real argument in there.
You’re either scum not even trying or town that thinks you’re super clever when you’re not.

Yes, attack every point I made with all the evidence I provided without providing any of your own, that's a surefire way to prove me wrong.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

And why did you post the assignment Crybaby. Nobody cares about that. We just want to see you show proof that you’re town. And what you’ve done so far has been so bad.

To show that I haven't had the time to be active and nothing more

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

he had the time to make joke posts proving he did at least spend time to read people's posts, but he had nothing substantial to say until now.

For the record, I had very little downtime this week, and most of it was spent on Discord. Any posts that I responded to were posts I saw through #forums in the EE Discord Server. Even then, most of my posts were out of context and I didn't even fully read the ones I replied to (i.e me feeding Jawapa's **** without thinking it was ****)

TaskManager wrote:

Crybaby wrote:
This is a really **** excuse to vote for Norwegianboy when Peace exists in this game
so me not voting peace is scum indicative you think?

No, but the usual reason you choose to vote for Peace is instead being used to vote for Norboy here, which is.

Minimania · 2020-01-24 18:54:56

Oh **** there's like 2 more pages of posts whoops

Minimania · 2020-01-24 19:02:41

Well ****.

Minimania · 2020-01-24 19:06:18

Actually good point Peace

Minimania · 2020-01-24 19:09:44

Norboy I hope Kira shows you who everyone is so you can eat my ****

Minimania · 2020-01-25 00:05:24

mrjawapa wrote:

I was told nothing I said mattered since I already cast a vote. So I haven't bothered posting much.

You shouldn't so easily bend your knee to the will of what others say, it either makes you look like a weak player or scummy trying to avoid suspicion. What Norboy told you yesterday was a complete lie. Even though you already voted, your input still matters. The only reason Norboy was correct was because you allowed him to be.

Onjit

Minimania · 2020-01-25 00:05:49

correct about nothing you say mattering*

Minimania · 2020-01-25 02:50:48

Yo I know I'm not Jawapa but maybe you could read what he wrote before responding to it. He said he scumread you at first

Minimania · 2020-01-25 03:05:22

If he does intend to consider suspicions on you for defending Norboy then that's justified, because it puts distance between you and Mutant for having differing opinions on Norboy.

mutantdevle

Minimania · 2020-01-25 20:53:28

I'm going to vote for Elei if she doesn't post something useful by the end of the day

mrjawapa

Minimania · 2020-01-25 22:15:43

Maybe Norboy wouldn't get lynched or **** off so much if he didn't play so scummily inb4 Mutant calls me out for what I said about Elei

TaskManager, mrjawapa

Minimania · 2020-01-26 01:12:25

eleizibeth wrote:

i know he usually posts a regretful message after a townie is lynched, but i don’t really care enough to compare it to other games when he was playing as either maf or town

So essentually you don't care enough to look for evidence to back up your claim about something I did, yet you still hold me accountable for that thing.

k.

eleizibeth wrote:

he’s not really contributing much. then again y’all seem to think i’m not contributing much so

That's because you kind of aren't. In fact, I'll prove it.

eleizibeth wrote:

shadow, peace, buzzerbee, and devle all seem to care about solving the game, so townlean for them. strong townlean to buzzerbee and shadow.

This, for all intents and purposes, is your townreads list. You claim that all of them seem to care about solving the game. Buzzerbee has not really done much outside of accusing 2b, and sure, the rest of them have been actively participating in discussion and seem like they are trying to solve the game, but everybody already knows this. You pointing this out does not add anything new to the discussion, and it's just a regurgitation of things other people have already said before.

eleizibeth wrote:

diff, jawapa, task, and onjit are all neutral for me. task is neutral because i think he has both townie and scum qualities, and it evens out. the rest are neutral because there’s not much to get out of their few posts.

Whereas the previous quote was your townlist, this seems more like the list of people you don't have any sort of reads on. For all cases except maybe Onjit, I find it rather fascinating that you have no reads on any of them, as Diff, Jawapa, and Task have been extremely active in conversation, and there aren't a whole lot of new cases for or against Jawapa and Diff. Those two in particular seem polarized, and yet you haven't even really addressed anything about them besides saying you have nothing on them. For Task, all you're saying is that he's giving kixed signals, a regurgitated summary of literally everything Mutant has ever said about him earlier today. Nothing in this list that you've said was new, at all, and you never even provided any evidence, or even a link to some posts or something, which you seem capable of, but I guess you didn't feel the need to. I'm going to assume you didn't it's because that's all been said before, therefore proving what I said about you saying nothing new, and I'll move on.

eleizibeth wrote:

crybaby - scumlean
just a gut feeling again. i felt like his “Well ****.” post after norboy flipped was not genuine. i know he usually posts a regretful message after a townie is lynched, but i don’t really care enough to compare it to other games when he was playing as either maf or town

Back to this again, this is a very weak argument made without evidence. Seems you agree because you explained you didn't even bother looking for any, even though your frequent use of hyperlinks that redirect to old posts tells me that you definitely are capable of doing so.

eleizibeth wrote:

2b - scumlean, isn’t really contributing much

Everybody and their grandma knows he hasn't been doing anything useful. He himself even blatantly admitted to sheeping. Nothing new here at all.

eleizibeth wrote:

he also said that devle and norboy don’t give him scummy vibes here, but then voted for norboy anyway?

He sheeped, as I said before

eleizibeth wrote:

his iso is strange and he seems to be trying to intensify minor suspicions from other people.

This part of your post would be a whole lot better if you gave citation or ar least some kind of explanation, but no, nothing, so I'm going to safely dismiss this as a weak claim with no evidence.

eleizibeth wrote:

proc - scumlean
this is mostly because of just the general vibe i’m getting.

Great reason to suspect anybody, not a great reason to indict anyone.

eleizibeth wrote:

he explained his town reads, but didn’t explain his scum reads.

I'm not going to take this point away from you, it's 100% true. Just as true as Mutant's inability to answer Jawapa's question about his reads last night, and Peace's inability to answer Mutant when he responded to Peace's suspicions about him. But sure, Proc hasn't answered for any of his scumreads. I'm sure that makes him scummy.

eleizibeth wrote:

he called jawapa and me both suspicious here, but didn’t explain why

Okay, but at least he is blatantly leaving that explanation out. You claim to be contributing and offering new insights, but nothing out of what you provided is new. You've either only made weak claims backed by no evidence whatsoever, brought up questions without ever answering any of them (i.e Why has Processor not explained any of his scum reads?), or simplified and restated things other people have already said. Remind me again how you are contributing?

Processor, 2b55b5g

Minimania · 2020-01-26 01:51:58

The idea is simple. If you bring up a question, offer a reasonable answer to it, because that insight is what's actually useful, not the question itself. I don't mean a literal question, but rather, when you point things out like "Proc never answered my reads" or "Crybaby made this response to Norboy's death", you could do much better by rewording these as questioms and offering actual amswers to these questions, otherwise it's not very valuable.

Minimania · 2020-01-26 01:52:29

omg the m key I'm literally doge rn

Minimania · 2020-01-26 01:57:42

I have a suspicion on you.

Minimania · 2020-01-26 02:02:49

You haven't said much at all yesterday. I feel like, if you were the Mafia, there would be no reason for you to, if your partner already said everything that needed to be saying, and I feel like this partner of yours, assuming Scum!Eleizibeth, is Scum!Mutant. You and him seem to post at different times. On the first day, I recall that you were almost going to be prodded by Kira, who I remember saying he would be prodding anybody who didn't actively post in the thread, even those posting in the Mafia chat. You only made a post when you needed to, just like how I feel like, you only started making useful posts today because people started suspecting you (i.e. my post saying I was going to vote for you today if you didnt make a useful post.) That's why I read your post as thoroughly as I possibly could, I'm trying to decide whether I think you're just not properly getting your point across, or you're faking it by saying a bunch if what's already been said. I'm leaning towards the ladder.

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