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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I would suggest lynching them both

I'm all for that tbh

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

What actually are your reads Task?

Not sure whether I'll be able to elaborately answer this before the end of this day
I have stuff of high priority to do today and tomorrow and I might not be able to get on my laptop until tomorrow evening

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I would suggest lynching them both

I'm all for that tbh

You're literally denying discussion time for town
Why in such a hurry?

??
A tie vote and denying discussion time are mutually exclusive, no?
You can't hit a majority early and yet tie two wagons

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I TOLD YOU ****
HELL YEAH
This is why you don't listen to any kind of bs proc makes no matter how good it sounds
Literally what Onjit said

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

With Proc flipping scum Mutant is now scoring the first place on my scum list
I also have a heavy scum lean on Buzzer and slightly less on 2B

I'm open to lynching Mutant since without power roles there's no other way to clean his name than to flip his role and knowing how Mutant is even better at lying through his teeth than Proc, I don't want scum!Mutant to lie his way out of this
I understand that Proc could be simply taking advantage of Mutant helping him out to ensure that we lynch town!Mutant after Proc flips but I'm willing to take this risk

Mutant's initial reaction to the Proc wagon makes me think that they're scum buddies and *IF* they are a scum team, they were blatantly scumbuddying and expecting that the "scum would never do that" card would defend them

Yo, why the **** are we lynching proc, what's wrong with y'all?

I wanted proc to speak up just as much as the rest of y'all but you're pressuring him with votes that you can't actually take back... that is just utterly stupid.

Proc also mentioned the idea that scum buddying is just lame, which could be him setting forth the grounds for playing that card later:

In this game, it's unlikely we see any group strategy from scum and can expect each scum to think for themselves.

Keep that in mind when you're analyzing group behavior.

Also I think Mutant could likely be a member of the second scum team
When I look back to these posts:

TaskManager tell me why I should vote norwegianboy and not you.

TaskManager tell me why I should vote norwegianboy and not you.

You took too long to reply and I got bored.

!vote Norwegianboy

I feel like scum!Mutant could've mistakenly read me as scum from the other mafia team and the logic behind these posts was "Quick, Task, think of some cheap garbage so I can believe you and hop on Norboy's wagon" and then "He probably didn't get my message so I'll just hop on it anyway"
And then lynch me the next day expecting me to flip scum and gain some neat townie credit

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

For the record, scum can actually scum hunt themselves, so yes, Task could still possibly be Mafia. In any case, pay attention to anyone that might try to start a counter wagon.

Valid point, there should be no confirmed townies until we lynch the third scum, or until we lynch the second scum AND somehow prove they weren't in Proc's team

you have to take into account the fact that Mutant could just be a Townie who defended the wrong person

I do take that into account and given that mutant is pretty good at making lies too, there's no way to discover what really happened other than by flipping Mutant
Still, even then if mutant flips maf, we won't find out whether scum!mutant was Proc's teammate or they were on different mafia teams, so it could still be mutant defending proc without knowing the truth
Thus as I said I'm willing to take the risks of mislynch here given the opportunity to catch another scum. In this game any lynch is a risk anyway so yea
Not saying we should rush it btw, since there's plenty of time, perhaps other options could be explored

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wow this is a lil dead innit

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

tbh task might be proc's partner and i am convinced that might be the case because of proc trying to not have a double lynch

why would i support the double lynch then, contrary to opinions of nearly everyone else in the game

also, why the **** are you being so aggressive toward me crybaby? what did i do to u? is it because i said i saw you as scum?

maf games are tense lmfao chill

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

@crybaby
Ele/Mutant or Mutant/Proc

Which scum team do you think is more likely?

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

**** very bad

debatable

the reason i was for double lynch was because it ensures that proc doesnt get away with it if a mislynch on me happens
i honestly didnt trust you guys to lynch him the next day if you were to only hang me, so i insisted on a double lynch to make things fair
especially given that mutant stepped in with so much effort to steer the lynch away from proc

mutant doesnt seem eager to say anything
but his words are not going to change my mind anyway so

!vote Mutantdevle

how much till the day ends?

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

2B I am unsatisfied with the pace at which you're writing those

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peace heres a blunt question why are you scum reading me

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peace heres a blunt question why are you scum reading me

lack of care on D1

thats it?

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I've not read anyone's reasons for voting me but I'm presuming the reason mostly boils down to "he was wrong about processor so he's scum". Such a reason should be heavily scrutinised for its obvious fallacy and I think it's a line of reasoning that is inherently opportunistic in getting me lynched. Obviously, this doesn't count so much for peace since he always bases his votes and reads on face value.

"i didnt read what you guys were saying but youre obviously wrong"

I think TaskManager and jawapa are not only scum but also on the same scum team.

>OMGUS

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whats the vote count again

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

[1] 2B TNG - Onjit
[4] Mutantdevle - mrjawapa, Taskmanager, Peace, Crybaby
[2] TaskManager - mutantdevle, Different55
i think this is right

anyway, not really going to consider any of mutant's points until i see the flip
@mutant
theres a whole bunch of people im sure i never really interacted with and jawapa is not the only one

after this whole drama is dealt with i believe buzzer/ele/2b should be looked into
possibly diff as well

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

If you have mentioned my town read on Processor as part of why I should be lynched then my comments are justified and it shows that I have a solid understanding of both how you work and how the game works. If you haven't, then the townie thing to do would be to point out that since I'd expect you to do that as scum you not doing it is evidence that you are town.

I'm pointing out how you're saying your point is justified even though you just skimread everything that was said
There is your blatant scumbuddying with Proc, your infamous "task give me reason to vote norboy not you" post with a "!vote norboy" 10 minutes later, and probably more that you wont know since you did not read it

And if you mean that, in response to both of you voting for me, I've suddenly decided that you're on the same team.

I mean this

I'd like to point out that it's very obvious that I've held the opinion that you 2 are scum together for quite a while.

Hm? Excuse me but I don't find it obvious. The first time you merely hint at this association is post #294:

I'm not focussing on jawapa yet because a lot of the things that he's said depends on the alignments of norwegianboy and taskmanager.

That doesn't even explicilty say "jawapa and task could be a scum team", the quote could've easily meant that we're of opposite alignments, especially given that you had initially a more townish read on Jawapa than on me, after we cast our peace/norboy votes
And your next post is when there's already a solid wagon on Proc
So yeah I think you had a retaliatory motivation behind the "task/jawapa scum team" claim

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Final reads list from town to scum:

Peace
Different55
ShadowsEdge
BuzzerBee
Onjit
2B55
Ele
Crybaby
Jawapa
Task

Any reads changes that I've not explained come from me rereading various posts whilst delivering my case on jawapa and general flicks through the thread just now/within the last 3 or 4 hours. My personal recommendation would be to lynch people from the bottom of my list upwards but y'know my opinions would probably change if I was alive and you should have your own opinions and stuff.

Goodbye.

hey at least i agree with #1 on your list
looking forward to seeing your reaction once you have the spreadsheet (assuming kira shares roles with dead players)

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

looking forward to seeing your reaction once you have the spreadsheet (assuming kira shares roles with dead players)

you know someting more?

yeah i know that im town in spite of being mutant's scummiest scumlord

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

if we lose three townies im goin to ****
i think ele could flip maf tbh
sucks to have shadow kicked out tho

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

wtf is your deadline kira

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

wow mootant whyd you flip town smh

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I'm placing an imaginary vote on 2B.

wow these are some complex voting strats

pardon me being useless, I'll hopefully produce something once i get on my laptop tomorrow

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Finally got on the laptop here you go with some reads

2B:

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I guess I'll follow the game narrator.
Shadow and crybaby kind of convinced me that norboy is scum, but i dont really know.

!vote NorwegianboyEE

I've already pointed this out before and I'm pointing it out again
As scum I played the "this guy sounds convincing so yeah im voting" card before numerous times to hop on a wagon that benefits me so I'm going to say this is scum indicative
Plus he's trying to save his face in case this turns out to be a mislynch by showing how he's unsure and simply blindly follows someone else
No desire to solve the game at all here

https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt … 55#p772955
When Norboy confronted him, he suddenly changed his tone to a much more "joking" one
He also avoided Norboy's question that was "which one convinced you if they had different reasons?"

2B is just sheeping opinions. And I don't know exactly what to make of it. In EE Forums Mafia it seems that's consistently what happens with his playstyle. But I know from playing with him in Discord Mafia that he has the ability to scumhunt and form his own reads instead of simply sheep other people's opinions.

I thought that you know the reason for this???
Well okay then I'll try scumhunting but I'll end up on sheeping again anyway

Only showing the intent to scumhunt after being asked to and instantly drawing another excuse not to do it
This isn't as much scum indicative as it could be lazy townie though since similarly I only posted some "conclusions" when mutant asked for them, back in D1 I think

Here's imo the scummiest one: He had a scum lean on Processor but eventually did a 180 and voted me instead. Bear in mind that Proc flipped scum

I dont like how Processor literally switched the topic from him explaining his suspicions to voting TaskManager.

Processor sus
Not sure if not explaining his reads is his playstyle because I never look at playstyles.
And now he said his scum read on ele depends on Task’s flip? And yet again he gave no reason at all.
Why is Processor so keen on lynching TaskManager? He has been against Task on D1 and D2, yet provided no reasons for it. Weird.
Can you at least give explanations for your suspicions please.

And when they flip town... we lynch you?

I don'T follow, does task flipping town indicate im scum?

No. But your lack of explanations for your reads are.

And the glorious 180 post:

I disagree with the double lynching.
You might say that getting rid of two suspicious players in one day is good, but that’s a no for me.

1. If we lynch both Processor and TaskManager today, the result is either satisfying or disappointing. A scenario that both are mafia can happen, as well as 1 town 1 scum or even both town. I don’t think that both Processor are TaskManager are both mafia, so we need to be careful of our decisions. We certainly don’t want the worst scenario to happen. That’s why we should play safe and lynch one of them first, instead of both.

2. Double lynching would waste this day and possibly the next day too. If we lynch both Processor and TaskManager today, then what’s the point of this whole discussion in Day 2? This Processor vs Task thing ultimately ends in both dying after this whole discussion? Not worth it. If we know that both got lynched, then we could’ve used this day to discuss other things. If nothing surprising happened, lynching them separately can let us to have a target for lynching in Day 3, so we don’t have to worry about who to lynch, and while we have our target for Day 3, we can discuss who to lynch on Day 4 too.

3. Lynching either one of Processor or TaskManager can let us to know information about the other person, so we can make a final decision whether to lynch or not based on the lynched person’s alignment. Lynching both of them for me is like wasting a chance to have more information about the other person.

A Task lynch would be hard to do, since all players who still didn’t vote needs to vote on Task in order to get him lynched. But I’m convinced by Proc that he’s most likely town, since he defended himself when Shadow attacked him, this just disproves the statement that Processor is avoiding questions. And Task is also fine with himself lynched, so I’m gonna place my vote on Task.

!vote TaskManager

Points 1 2 3 argue against double lynching
Then there's a subtle notice that Proc suddenly "convinced" him in his townishness because Processor invalidated the statement of him dodging the questions
Do remember that there were other reasons for lynching Proc too
That whole excuse for town reading Proc just stinks like hastily thrown together **** to me
Then he votes me, even though at the moment I had less votes than Proc (I had 3, Proc had 5), which literally brings us closer to a double lynch and contradicts his own arguments!

!vote Mutantdevle
hi this is a vote that was made because of the time limit
i didnt fully read day 3 yet so i'll do that soon

This vote was rushed without looking through the thread and done to avoid dying
Scum are more likely to play careful and would at all costs avoid that modkill

2B participated in both town mislynches with a careless sheeping attitude, but not in the wagon that lynched Proc

I'm fairly confident that 2B is scum and he is Proc's teammate

BuzzerBee:

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Buzzer has slight townie credit from me because of the Proc wagon

Okay, when push came to shove mutant came with some good explanations and reasoning, and for that I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

TaskManager hasn't given a convincing enough defense in my opinion. Also didn't realize how little time was left, so:

!vote TaskManager

I'm not sure what defense would you find convincing, given that Mutant pushed for lynching me since D1 and both his case on me and my defense were presented early in D2
Why did you not vote me on D2 if my defense wasn't convincing?
I'm not sure what to think of this since Proc flipped scum eventually

But I do find the usage of "convincing" card to be generally scummy indicative, again, based on personal experience

Other than that Buzzer shows minor signs of scumhunting, but generally the amount of contribution is abysmal
Going to mark him as slight scum lean

Peace:

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I can easily bet that Peace is town, if I'm wrong then im bad at this game

Shadow:

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Shadow doesn't post often but his contributions are good
The fact that he didn't care much about getting modkilled because of not voting twice earns him some town credit from me

Probably town

Onjit:

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Quite a lot of **** but the contributions are good

Still he should post more

A tiny bit town lean

Ele:

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The act of saving Shadow should be no basis for any town credit going for her
Her vote was a rushed attempt to avoid the vote modkill too, which is scummy and given that she rushed it, she most likely saved Shadow without realizing it

Crybaby picked her posts apart fairly well imo so you should prolly look into that

personally i don't think that devle is scum for defending proc, he could be town just defending the wrong person. right now i'm okay with devle being lynched, but i'm not gonna do so myself because i'm not convinced that he's scum. i understand the reasons for voting for him (sorta) but i'm not really convinced

If I had to give a definitive answer on the third person I'd say ele.

i changed my mind. this actually makes me think if he is scum then he is trying to **** frame me by "pretending to distance" himself and i'm upset now so i'm now okay with lynching him but i wanna see a vote count first and his post that he's "planning to prepare"
devle, why do u think i'm the third scum?

Playing "angry mode" to make your hop on the wagon seem legitimate

Scum lean

Crybaby:

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There's too much and I'm running out of time rn because I got other **** to do so not going through 3 pages of his posts, although I probably should cause there's a lot of content
Damn

Anyway I only want to point out one most recent thing

Well, sorry Mutant. In good news, though, everything he said can now be trusted. He mentioned something he wished to happen the day after his death, lynch either Jawapa or Task, if either flip scum then lynch the other, if not then lynch elei, then regardless lynch the other person. I still have my suspicions on Elei even though they saved Shadow from certain death really late last night, and I suspect 2b might be alone with Processor dead. I know Mutant had me 3rd from the bottom on his sus list, so if y'all think lynching me is an okay alternative then that's okay, too,  but I'm gonna start with a vote.

!vote TaskManager

Don't feel pressured by my vote, though, just vote for whoever you think is sus the most.

It is very odd how he starts with a vote right at the start of the day (no this is not ironic because doing it on D1 is different, dont you dare play that move on me)
Just cause he wished for it doesn't mean he's right
This move seems like merely a tribute to Mutant, if scum!Crybaby already knows that I'm most likely town then he is aware that Mutant's wish benefits him and would gladly support it
Keep in mind that many of us here are known for taking advantage of town!Mutant's mistakes in previous mafia games
I would argue that this is an opportunistic and scummy move, but you do you

Neutral / slight scum lean
Can't be more precise because I didn't really look into his posts but  this is the general vibe

Anyway that's as much as I could manage in the time that I had
Maybe I'll add the rest before the day ends

I'm most likely going to vote 2B

Now go ahead lynch me no balls

P. S. I'm also paranoid about Jawapa potentially lurking under my own radar but I don't have any rational evidence to suspect him yet as I didn't look through his posts

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Re: Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

I said your defense wasn't convincing on D3, not D2.

The point I was making is that my defense didn't change since early D2, so you could vote me as early as then, instead of D3, but alright the Proc part is a fair point

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