Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 15:28:36

I can't tell if peace has just scum slipped or if he just has poor phrasing due to the way he types...

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 15:29:04

peace wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
as mafia you'd know what he'd flip.
nope we shoudlnt lycnh random as we coudl lycnh the jester/neatral and he would win keep this in midn guys!

peace, could you re-word what you're trying to say here please?

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 18:41:10

peace wrote:

@mutant
Kira wrote:
Neutral Evil:
-Le Boufon (Jester): You are the Jester! You are obsessed with the guillotine and hope to get lynched at all cost. Upon lynch, you will get the chance to kill anyone that voted for your death.
Kira wrote:
-Win condition for Neutral is to get lynched.

Okay, if this is all that you meant then that's fine. The part of what I said that you quoted made it sound like you were responding to 'mafia know they are town' with 'no, we might think they are jester' hence referring to yourself as mafia. It's things like this that we're worried about when we tell you that you need to get better at standard spelling and sentence structure.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 18:44:22

peace wrote:

alos i was thinking cant you just portect yourself by claimign youre jester so you wont get lynches? i mena i think anyone can do that right?

Exactly why I personally encourage not caring about the jester. If we lynch the jester, it's not a big deal, they'll probably make it so that we have 1 less townie which is exactly what would have happened if there was no jester in the game. Alternatively, they kill a mafia and I don't need to explain why that's a good thing.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 18:46:11

Slabdrill wrote:

I really think norwegianboy is town.

Why? Do you actually have reason to town read him other than that he is defending you?

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 18:49:25

TaskManager wrote:

mrjawapa wrote:
New prediction:
Norboy
Slab
Taskmanager
Wonder why

I don't know if you said this sarcastically, but I do genuinely wonder why. I don't see what links he's drawing between you and the other 2?

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 18:57:12

mrjawapa wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
Alternatively, they kill a mafia and I don't need to explain why that's a good thing.
That requires the mafia to vote for the jester

I'd say there's a solid chance 1-2 mafia would be on the jester considering they would have thought the jester is town. If the jester was obvious enough that the mafia knew they were jester then I'm pretty sure they'd have to be obvious for the rest of us to know too - but even if we didn't, the jester flipping would then make the mafia obvious if they were so strongly avoiding the wagon. The most likely case is that the jester would want to blend in as a crappy town player - hence reducing the chances of being shot but increasing the chances of being lynched. Honestly though, if the jester ever claimed, I'd be all for voting for them - both to ensure they're not mafia trying to fake claim and because helping the jester is the best way to minimise their damage.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 19:00:55

TaskManager wrote:

Mafia member pretending to be jester is not viable since lynching jester is not a big loss

Exactly why I'm saying it.

Also, in 3 hours it's unlikely I'm going to post much in the 48 proceeding hours. I think there's 1 point in time when I'll have access to a PC but other than that it's phone posting and only tend to phone post when it's urgent because I don't like texting.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-21 20:03:46

peace wrote:

alos can other poeple like crybaby heebus zumza and slabdrill post some thoughts aswell? (hope i dont forget someone who is a bit inacitve rn)

Zelda.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-25 13:54:47

Okay, I'm back. I apologise that it took longer than expected as yesterday I was too tired to do anything.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-25 14:18:59

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Case #1

If anyone agrees with any of the points Norwegian made in this post then please point them out but otherwise I don't see a lot of point in refuting what he said if he's not here to justify them.

ZeldaXD wrote:

Mutantdevle would be a very juicy target for mafia, especially with doctor being dead, because we all know how helpful mutantdevle is for whatever team he's in, so if mutant is town I think mafia would target getting rid of him, but they pick to kill a random like eleizibeth? Not buying it, I'm scum-reading mutant HARD.

There's a lot of stuff you're blatantly ignoring that makes me think that your conclusion here is not very well thought through. First of all, am I really a juicy target for the mafia? Being wrong about norwegianboy makes me look somewhat suspicious especially since one of his final posts was a case against me. Also, the doctor being dead doesn't really mean anything in terms of night kill targets. The mafia are still going to fear the lookout who can actively expose them rather than just protecting someone. Finally, how can you be so sure eleizibeth is a random kill? Perhaps they said or did something that worried the mafia. I haven't yet checked their iso so I'm not sure how likely that is.

At the very least, I think ele's death was a conscious choice of killing a less vocal townie. That makes me wonder why they'd keep not just me alive but the other vocal townies too.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I isolated Elei's posts and she doesn't really seem to have any connections with anyone, so I think mafia killed her because of that reason.

It does seem like a very safe kill to make. If the only reason they killed them was to not reveal any connections then that would tell us the mafia are worried about association tells which means some of the connections might be obvious. So what they've actually told us in making a kill that's 'safe' is that when the mafia do flip we could probably take some of the connections at face value

TaskManager wrote:

And it's also possible mafia is doing this intentionally to frame mutant, since whenever he is town, he's a scapegoat for anything that happens,

Ehh, I don't really feel like they're trying to frame me. Maybe that's a long term goal but I would have thought they'd make a kill that's more incriminating to me if they meant to frame me in the short term. Unless you think Zelda is mafia? Because then, yeah, their intention obviously is to frame me lol.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-25 14:38:16

Slabdrill wrote:

anyway it seems weird for our doc to sac themselves like that wtf

TaskManager wrote:

Norboy could prevent what happened to him by claiming earlier (apparently he did claim but did so when the lynch was inevitable)
Instead he chose to help others lynch him
As a doctor.
0/10

Ordinarily, it's not too bad for doctors to let themselves be lynched since when they claim they'd likely just get killed at night. But in this specific circumstance it was pretty stupid since we have a lookout which would basically prevent the mafia from targetting the doc. I get that norwegian wanted to prove a point but he could have proven his point and remained alive simply by claiming because, unless there was a counterclaim, he would have been seen as confirmed town.

Slabdrill wrote:

mutant - They town-read norwegianboy

I didn't. That was a typo that I later corrected when norwegianboy himself pointed it out.

Kira wrote:

Bimps will now be replacing Heebus.

@shadow, does heebus tend to replace out of games? If so, can it tell us anything about their alignment?

peace wrote:

alos ive ben thinking maby maf wants to get rid of jester and though ele was jester?

You actually have somewhat of a point. I think the mafia would be more concerned about the jester than town would. But I don't think ele did anything that looked really jester-like.

Zumza, Slabdrill

mutantdevle · 2019-08-25 14:40:46

I find it surprising that norwegianboy has barely been mentioned in terms of what he was preaching. Like, the whole reason he supported his own lynch was that he wanted to strengthen his own opinions yet seemingly everyone has forgotten about them.

@taskmanager @jawapa,

What do you think of Slabdrill now that norwegianboy has flipped and what do you think of the other people mentioned in his final post?

mutantdevle · 2019-08-25 17:11:33

TaskManager wrote:

I find it odd that you're denying your own importance and being a juicy target for mafia

I'm not denying my importance, I'm just saying that despite that importance and view y'all have of me I'm not as juicy as Zelda was making me out to be due to my position on norboy and norboy's position on me. The same applies to you and jawapa. You're both strong players but as town the mafia would be unlikely to kill you based on day 1 events.

Bimps wrote:

Word of advice: Don't ask **** like this. 1. It's gamebreaking

I don't really see how it's game-breaking. Past meta is part of the game. For example, on mafiascum, Creature (yes, the one who used to play EE) almost always replaces out of games when he is mafia. On the other hand, he is super active when he is town. As a result, he is easy to read in most games based on his activity.

mrjawapa wrote:

Ele was probably killed because they didnt do much. Easy kill, with absolutely nothing to look into.

Yes but looking at kills isn't just about "why did they kill this person?" but also "why didn't they kill this other person?". They killed ele because it was a safe kill, but why didn't they instead kill someone who is more of a threat? I guess the answer could be as simple as they are trying to avoid PRs but considering just how safe the ele kill is I feel like there's more to it than that.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-26 14:12:16

I'm kinda in agreement with Zumza and bimps here - the wagon on jawapa seems to have come from trying to divert the lynch away from Zelda. Although jawapa is scummy and is probably going to be lynched at some point in the game anyway, he wasn't really being considered for the lynch until Zelda was voted. I found taskmanager suspicious before the jawapa wagon and he's someone I want to take a look at tommorow. But for now, I'm going to vote for Zelda as if Zelda is mafia then I think there's very little chance that taskmanager isn't also whilst that doesn't necessarily work the other way around.

!vote Zelda

Zumza

mutantdevle · 2019-08-26 14:15:56

ZeldaXD wrote:

But I'm not willing to call him non-sus as of yet nor do I think such theory should be entirely discarded, especially considering Norwegian's lynch, who wrote a case against him which Mutant did not bother to answer quoting mutant "If anyone agrees with any of the points Norwegian made in this post then please point them out but otherwise I don't see a lot of point in refuting what he said if he's not here to justify them."

I think it's entirely unfair to criticise me for not responding to it whilst acknowledging that I said I would if anyone wanted me to. If no one agrees with what Norboy said then why would I need to respond to it? If you want to address the things he said about me then all you have to do is ask. But honestly, this just feels like you're trying to find a point of criticism about me to justify still being suspicious of me despite your main point of suspicion being refuted.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-26 14:50:08

TaskManager wrote:

Does this come from me saying that I don't feel right about lynching Zelda?

No, it's mostly your role on the counter wagon that makes me think the 2 of you could be connected.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-28 14:15:40

Honestly, we should have lynched TaskManager yesterday. I'm just annoyed at myself that I wasn't around earlier enough in the day to push it.

I'm not going to vote yet though as there's a chance mafia could rush the wagon through if TaskManager is actually town. I'm not entirely convinced that bimps is town but I do agree with him on taskmanager.

ZeldaXD wrote:

it would in fact be in the interest of mafia to push a Jester lynch but not actually commit to it

Who do you think fits that description?

At this stage in the game I think it's most likely for mafia to bus their teammates. Although they win if we lynch town today, if we lynch mafia today and then town tommorow they still win. So they'd probably want to secure some townie points ready for tomorrow's lynch.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-29 18:07:50

Okay, passively across the entirety of today (like 2 minutes every 10 minutes) I've been writing a huge case about 1/4 the size of Shadow's post about why Zelda and TaskManager are very obviously a mafia team and I check the latest page before I post it to see in big green letters "I'm the lookout".

Fml I spent ages on that post :/

mutantdevle · 2019-08-29 18:20:49

My scum read on Zelda was almost entirely based on their associations with TaskManager so I don't know what to make of their slot anymore and wouldn't feel comfortable voting them yet unless someone has any strong reason to.

Shadow and Slabdrill are undoubtedly town. If anyone disagrees then fight me.

That leaves peace, 2B55 and bimps.

Bimps is scummy because Heebus was scummy and bimps hasn't done anything to change that.
2B55 is actually kinda townie from what I remember.
Does anyone ever know what the **** peace is? Actually, thinking about it more, I briefly played with scum peace and I don't get the same sense of uncertainty in his posts as he had there. So I'm getting more of a town read from peace here.

So for now I'm thinking: bimps > Zelda > 2B55 > peace.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-29 18:23:10

I'm not playing differently in this game I just care less about it right now.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-29 18:24:14

ZeldaXD wrote:

Guys I don't want to pressure you but the clock is ticking and we need to find out who is a mafia to lynch or else we lose.

I don't like that you say these things yet you don't have a clear answer yourself.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-29 19:20:29

TaskManager wrote:

Why?
Reminds me of my own excuse in PurgatorEE when you approached me with "You're less active in this game"

I have more entertaining things going on in my life right now and this game fails to have a captivating appeal like the last game.

There's several differences between my inactivity and yours. First of all, yours was proven to be a scum tell whils I have shown periods of inactivity in multiple games. I'm sure you'd find it difficult to argue that the way I've been in most of this game does not match the periods of time that I've been inactive in previous games. Secondly, your scumminess majorly decreased the quality of your posts too. I can't remember who it was but one of the people that said I'm acting differently in this game also said that despite that my posts are still townie. If y'all's reads on me is entirely based on how much effort I put into the game then you're going to find yourselves easily manipulated when I do get to play a game as mafia.

TaskManager wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
Bimps is scummy because Heebus was scummy and bimps hasn't done anything to change that.
What do you (and others) think of points that I provided against Bimps? I swear, it's like nobody even bothered reading them

I probably haven't read them properly. I've only really skim-read the last few pages. All I remember of bimps is that he's somewhat aggressive but I immediately put that down to playstyle.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-29 19:32:06

Slabdrill wrote:

Calling **** on mutant's excuse.

What excuse?

Slabdrill wrote:

I'm still undecided between maxi or bimps, but maxi is considerably more convincing.

This confuses me, did you not see the claim?

mutantdevle · 2019-08-29 19:33:22

Bimps wrote:

Devle you're just being a ****. Don't excuse your gameplay by using other games.

Are you kidding me? The only reason people are saying they are suspicious of me is because of other games. And you're saying I can't then point to those games to defend myself?

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