Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-21 15:09:02

Oh I interpreted it wrong, for some reason I thought Day was ending in an hour. My bad.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-21 15:31:18

mutantdevle wrote:

peace wrote:
mutantdevle wrote:
as mafia you'd know what he'd flip.
nope we shoudlnt lycnh random as we coudl lycnh the jester/neatral and he would win keep this in midn guys!
peace, could you re-word what you're trying to say here please?

I don't think Peace really understands what's going on, I think he still thinks we're random lynching.

mutantdevle, 2b55b5g, Slabdrill

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-22 06:32:44

Ok so I'm doing this post mainly so I put something out there.

I've been inactive for a lot of today, because when I got home I had stuff I needed to do, then I had homework. And then I had to go help my sister with stuff, and when I finally had downtime, I got really tired. I actually just got up out of bed from almost falling asleep, and decided to make a post before I actually go to sleep.

The lynch on Norwegian gives me a bad feeling. First the fact that the situation around his lynch was sketchy to begin with. My suspicion for him is placed higher than others, but as I've said before, his actions can be interpreted for being of either alignment, which is why I wasn unsure of lynching Norwegian.

Norwegian voting to lynch himself doesn't ease anything about the whole situation either. If Norwegian was Mafia, voting for himself would make absolutely no sense. The Mafia only have 3 members, to lose a single member from that would mean a huge hit for them. And his willingness, or more, acceptance, to be lynched, doesn't strike me as a suspicious move, and instead an attempt to put the people who voted for him under closer scrutiny.

My suspicion of Norwegian hasn't vanished, but at the moment, I don't agree with the lynch placed on him. Although, currently, I do see him as more Town than sus.

I think for the moment, I'll hang back on a lynch, since I'm still pretty tired right now, and even had trouble trying to make sense of my thoughts to put them into words.

I don't recommend a Jawapa lynch, either. I may very well be wrong, but because of Jawapa's actions, he's the one I read most as a Jester. Which is why I don't believe Norwegian is Jester. My read may very well be wrong. But either way, lynching either of them gives me a bad feeling.

I'm gonna head to sleep now. Sorry for my inactivity today, just had a lot of things in the way.

Zumza

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-22 15:05:58

Ok I'm up.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
I may very well be wrong, but because of Jawapa's actions, he's the one I read most as a Jester.
Do you really want to take that chance?

I do think that we should take risks yes. But I'm unsure of my standing on Jawapa, which is why i don't know if I want to lynch him. I do trust you though, Norwegian, as I've mentioned in my previous post, I do read you as more Town than suspicious, so if Jawapa is your main suspect, then I'll abide to it.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Yes 2B. Excellent points. I think you should vote me even if you think i'm town just so my flip can make the entire town certain that my points are correct, not whatever garbage the Slabdrill voters are spouting.

I think this post just further proves the point that Norwegian is trying to put the people who vote for him under closer scrutiny. Unsure why Norwegian wants more people to vote for him. Although, I doubt it's because of him being Jester. He already has majority votes. And pushing for others to lynch for him is a dangerous thing for him to do if he was Jester, as it would likely pin him as the Jester.

As for this statement:

Crybaby wrote:

It makes sense because he's not close to getting lynched, and people in past games have earned townie points for self voting

The reason I said it makes no sense is because one person has to be lynched everyday. Norwegian is aware of that fact, as it's been said multiple times. So since he has majority, voting for himself just puts him closer to majority. And the others don't seem to have any intent to remove the vote. Which is why I don't believe that it's to earn townie points. Like I said, likely to put more suspicion onto the people who voted for him.

Zumza wrote:

Slabdrill is a much safer lynch, in my opinion.
He did not seem at all worried if he would be guillotined.
Perhaps the mafia had planned to lynch Slabdrill today and lynch innocent villager Nowegianboy the next day.
But then the mafia changed their mind and took the opportunity to move to the only other person possible: Nowegianboy.
Note that Mutant initially stated that Slabdrill is an inactive but useful person, then he voted for him, and then started a trend against Nowegianboy in order to potentially save Slabdrill.
Mutant's slogan "just to be able to cumulate villager points" could be simply a projection of his own reasoning towards Nowegianboy, based on the times when he was voting Slabdrill.
By the way, Jawapa could be the jester.
Is this post too much of a conspiracy theory?

I don't think Slab should be lynched. At this point, I don't see any reason to suspect Slab. He hasn't said much, and did defend Norwegian, who I do believe to be town. If Norwegian does flip Mafia, then it would probably put more scrutiny over Slab, and likely me. But at the moment, I don't see any reason to suspect Slab.

Mutant is a possibility. Due to his recent actions towards Norwegian. My suspicions against him are more of a feeling rather than hard evidence. However, Norwegian finds Jawapa more suspicious. If, and more likely when, Norwegian is lynched, he suggests we lynch Jawapa first, since he finds Jawapa the most suspicious.

I do believe Jawapa is the Jester. But I do agree with the points made before, if we keep the mindset that we shouldn't lynch someone because they might be Jester, then the case stands to reason that we'll be passively allowing people to live, who could very well be Mafia, because we believe they're the Jester.

Also, I don't think it's too big of a conspiracy theory, I had similar ideas that I've mentioned before.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-22 15:33:21

mrjawapa wrote:

I have mixed feelings about this. If norboy was a townie, this would be an easy lynch for the mafia.
But some of the things hes doing makes me think he might actually be a townie.
Idk >_<

Your vote was never on Norwegian. According to the vote count, you were voting for Peace.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-24 01:13:03

Hey I'm home now. Read the thread a bit and I just want to make a post with my thoughts.

TaskManager wrote:

Zelda has a point however it's also possible that mafia chose to act carefully and avoid being spotted by LO
And it's also possible mafia is doing this intentionally to frame mutant, since whenever he is town, he's a scapegoat for anything that happens, in which case Zelda is susp

I was thinking that too when I read the suspicion on Mutant. Although, the possibility that Mutant is in fact mafia should not be discluded.

peace wrote:

okay so mafia did not choose to use their ability hmmm

May I ask, what ability are you referring to here? The only actions the Mafia could do every night are from the Disguiser and Janitor. If Mafia is playing smart, I doubt they would clean up a body Night 1. And, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure Disguiser using their ability doesn't give out any notification to the town. Obviously, there's killing, but that's also obvious you're not referring to that, due to the fact that someone was killed last night.

On the note of the disguiser, we really need to be careful of the town roles revealed. From here on, it's completely possible that someone we lynch is in fact Mafia, even if they show up as a Town role.

Crybaby wrote:

Don't count out the possibility that Mutant is Mafia. Rat was a safe selection for the Mafia, given her lack of connections with anybody. Mutant is a very good town member, so surface level analysis would lead one to think that the Mafia would try to get rid of him as soon as they can. However, this game is all about deception. If Mutant is town, then the Mafia could benefit by not killing him, as doing so would make him seem more suspicious by virtue of being one of the last few standing. In PurgatorEE, it became doubly useful as Mutant isn't perfect, and makes mistakes, and those mistakes are easy for the Mafia to notice and hide behind, in order for him to take the blame. We still can't ignore the possibility that he really is Mafia.

At the moment I don't think we should lynch Mutant right way. Obviously, we should keep our guard up around him, considering he could possibly be mafia. But the reason I don't want to get hasty is because doing so is exactly what got Norwegian, our only Doctor, lynched. They went in with high hopes that Norwegian is Mafia, disregarding the fact that Norwegian's actions could still be looked at as a town move. That's why I don't think we should run head first into this. We need to take our time and figure out if Mutant is, in fact, Mafia.

Mutant, like Zelda said, is an important player to either side. If Mutant is Town, we'd be lynching two of the most useful players, since Norwegian got lynched already. Obviously, I'm not saying that if Mutant is, in a sense, proven to be Mafia, then we shouldn't lynch him. If there is proof, or at least, more reasoning than just a theory, then Mutant would be a good lynch. But for now, since most of the information is controversial at best, we should hold off on lynching him.

Slabdrill wrote:

anyway it seems weird for our doc to sac themselves like that wtf, expected them to be a townie since being a doc is pretty powerful
though the town PRs are kinda made to really hurt if miscommunicate

Yes, that's what I mentioned before. My guess for it is that Norwegian did it to put more suspicion on the people who voted for him. Mainly because he feels that the people who voted for him are likely Mafia, or at least, some are Mafia. Which is why he suggested that we lynch them. I'm pretty sure Norwegian knew he was going to be lynched, which is why he accepted being lynched, but voted for himself to try and put more suspicion onto the people who voted for him.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I isolated Elei's posts and she doesn't really seem to have any connections with anyone, so I think mafia killed her because of that reason.

The only possible connection from Ele to anyone is Zumza. I remember at one point Zumza did try to lynch Ele. Although, that's a very obscure way to frame someone, so it's more likely that Mafia did it for the reason you mentioned.

On a side note, it's finally the weekend for me. So I can be more active in this game, at least until school is back.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-24 20:41:15

Hey sorry I'm up, I woke up a while ago, but I read the forums while eating breakfast then did other stuff and forgot to respond.

TaskManager wrote:

At the end of day 1 Mutant said he will be away for some time
I say we wait for him to come back and post his thoughts on all of this, meanwhile we could explore other options

I agree. I don't want to go too quickly into a lynch. For reasons I've mentioned in my last post.

Slabdrill wrote:

Page 2 of iso is broken

I noticed that too. Although I thought I just did it wrong, and shrugged it off. Nice to know that it wasn't just my stupidity for why the second page wasn't working.

mrjawapa wrote:

Slabdrill wrote:
pretty helpful for analysis.
jawapa - Goddammit page 2 of this iso is broken too, so I can't get anything here (red for unexplained strange reads).
I explained my reads.

One issue I had with your most recent reads is that you mainly picked and choosed messages and kept a tally. Although you never told us a final tally at the end, so we were supposed to assume your stance on it by reading through all of it to tally it up ourselves. I didn't really see anything wrong with the reads though, minus the fact that some of the "reads" were just a mark for a tally.

mutantdevle

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-24 20:59:46

TaskManager wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
I think we could put some pressure on Heebus
Kira wrote:
Bimps will now be replacing Heebus
>mfw

Yeah Heebus DMd me a while ago saying she was gonna ask Kira for a replacement. She said it was because she's busy with school and all. Which is why she wasn't very active.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-25 01:39:39

TaskManager wrote:

Zumza, why?

I think it might be because of Zelda's quick assertion that Mutant is Mafia. But that in itself doesn't really stand to reason that Zelda is Mafia. Despite Zelda voting for me at one point, I do still see his intentions as a town move.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-25 16:03:15

Hi I'm awake now.

TaskManager wrote:

I'd expect Zumza to speak for himself tbh.

A'ight that's understandable.

mutantdevle wrote:

@shadow, does heebus tend to replace out of games? If so, can it tell us anything about their alignment?

No I don't think it'd tell me anything of their alignment. Heebus told me before she went to Kira that the reason she left is because she's been busy irl, and that she doesn't want to sacrifice her grades to play this.

Crybaby wrote:

because think he would have to "e okay with it" because the only alternative is himself

That is true. But I don't really think he was just "Okay with being lynched," he just wanted to put more suspicion on the people who voted for him.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-25 16:27:01

Crybaby wrote:

@rene was referring to Slabdrill

Oh. Sorry, my bad.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-25 19:46:18

Bimps wrote:

God dammit. This is another derpclear. Why wouldn't they ask this in maf chat?

I'm pretty confused by this. I don't really understand what "derpclearing" is, and how that really relates to someone being Town.

TaskManager wrote:

I kinda find it odd how Zelda threw in the "mutant juicy target" accusation, then completely forgot about it in his next post, possibly because people didn't believe it fully, I think it's scum indicative how he stopped pushing that point when people didn't buy it much
I also don't like Zumza's unexplained vote on Zelda though
I can fancy a Zumza lynch or a Zelda lynch right now, but this is only because I see nothing else to go off
If someone presents a better case on someone else, I'm willing to consider that

I don't think Zelda dropped it. The post Zelda made about the Jester has nothing to do with Mutant. Zelda constantly pushing for a Mutant lynch in every post would seem like a scum move. So I think the reasoning isn't really that they're dropping a suspicion against them, but rather just trying to put their opinion in where it's needed.

I do agree with the suspicion on Zumza though. Unlike with Zelda, who explained why they felt Mutant was suspicious, Zumza never explained why. I think it's important we get input from Zumza before making a stance, though.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-25 21:40:10

TaskManager wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
Zelda constantly pushing for a Mutant lynch in every post would seem like a scum move
Why? Isn't sticking to one opinion more town indicative than changing opinions now and then?

The thing is, I don't think Zelda changed their opinion. The point with my statement is that if Zelda, in every post, pushed for a lynch against Mutant, then it would seem like Zelda is suspicious. Because then it would seem like Zelda is trying to get rid of Mutant.

There have only been two posts by Zelda in Day 2 (I believe, but I may have skipped over one if there is another). The first was a call out post on Mutant. The second is a response to peace's opinion on the Jester, saying that we could use the Jester. But Zelda makes the points to not trust the Jester. The Jester isn't aligned with Town. They aren't obligated to kill someone who is Mafia if they are lynched. Despite the fact that we might help them, it doesn't guarantee the Jester won't stab us in the back. I agree with Zelda's assessment there.

Had Zelda used this post also to push his lynch against Mutant, then it would seem suspicious. But his post has no relation to Mutant, which is why I don't think he changed his opinion on Mutant, and was, instead, introducing his opinion on the Jester. I don't think his posts make him look suspicious. To me, it seems like he's just trying to get information out there, that way people are aware of it.

Bimps wrote:

After rereading it, that message was not a derpclear. But you still seem towny. A derpclear is when new players to a site/the game in general say something that makes them either town or mafia, or they might even accidentally reveal they have a powerrole. It is gamebreaking but at this point I don't ignore it. Something like revealing something about maf chat that no one should know, or just saying some other weird thing. It's hard to explain

Oh. I guess it sort of makes sense. I know what you're going for, but I didn't know there was a term for it. Which is why I was confused by it. Thanks for clearing that up.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-26 00:41:43

Zumza wrote:

There's nothing that truly recommends Zelda for a lynch. I simply wanted to open up a conversation theme, and see what reactions might arise.
There's little dynamic in this game compared to others, probably a lethargy caused by the recent amounts of mafia games. This benefits the mafia a lot, they don't need to do anything really day time, the more they're aversive to aggressiveness the more they keep a good boi presence, the more you give into the action like Norwegian and Mutant did the other day, the more you tear down your trust in comparison to others.
---
In regards to why specifically Zelda:
He has almost no input and they made an affirmation that simply isn't well thought, which I don't find typical of him.
In my opinion they do have highest odes for being mafia, at the current time, anyway.
And as I said before, considering the atmosphere I believe that the mafia didn't risked at all voting for NorwegianBoy.
Also kind reminder that there is no nolynch option in this game.

I agree. With that, it might be worth looking into the people who are less active, or simply follow the opinions of others. I don't know exactly how well Zelda plays, but from what I've read from Zelda, it does seem like he has input, he initially started with a post against me, and then against Mutant, and then a post relating to the Jester. I don't think he "Has almost no input" more that you're accusing him on that part because of his inactivity. His claim to Mutant is somewhat flawed, I'll give it that. But Zelda did say before that they forgot about the Lookout being a threat to the Mafia. In which case, it would make the most sense to assume the Mafia would target their biggest threat. Which would be Mutant.

I believe most of us are aware of the mechanic where one player must be lynched everyday. But I feel it's best to use the time wisely to figure out all of our options. We still have a little over 16 hours (I believe), so there's no reason to rush into lynching Zelda just yet.

Just like Day 1, we can't just jump straight into a lynch, hoping we choose the right player.

Zumza wrote:

I feel most confortable gambling on Zelda, at the moment.

I don't feel comfortable gambling on Zelda. He hasn't given me any reason to believe he's Mafia, and the reasons why people are claiming him to be Mafia are circumstantial. I did make a post before where I posted my opinions of Zelda. And in my opinion, he seems like he's just trying to get his opinion out there so he can help. And as mentioned before by Mutant, Zelda, while inactive, is usually helpful.

mrjawapa wrote:

Unless a power role has info that goes against lynching zelda, why not?

It's virtually impossible for a PR to have evidence to clear Zelda's name. That is, unless Zelda is a PR. Because the only PR we can rely on for info is the Lookout. Considering most people are villagers, which can't visit people, the only people the Lookout would see would be PRs. Considering the fact that the Veteran can't visit people, the Lookout cant make any claim to Zelda's innocence.

As for "Why not," Zelda, as I've mentioned before, seems like he's just trying to help out. He pointed out info that was otherwise not really articulated by anyone else.

mrjawapa wrote:

We have a lookout. If the lookout found that you visited Ele last night, we know you're the godfather.

I believe the reason Zelda got confused on that part is because you asked for a PR for "info that goes against lynching zelda" not for "Info that proves that Zelda is scum."

On a different note, Jawapa is starting to give me weird vibes. In both lynches, he seemed to just follow the opinions that others presented. First it being Norwegian by Mutant and Task (Although he wasn't actually voting for Norwegian, he did say he thought he WAS voting for Norwegian). And then now, Zumza voiced an opinion about Zelda, and Jawapa followed in that. With Jawapa also being suspected by Norwegian, I don't think it's completely possible to throw away the idea of Jawapa being Mafia. There is the point where Jawapa unvoted (Which revealed that he thought he was voting for Norwegian), but this could be an attempt on his part to clear suspicion from him. I don't want to place a lynch on Jawapa just yet, since I do want to hear his opinions on the matter, but it could be a possible alternative.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-26 01:03:05

mrjawapa wrote:

But, they could have evidence to lynch someone else. Then we'd switch our votes over.

If the Lookout hasn't provided information this far into Day 2, it's very likely that the Lookout has no information at the moment.

mrjawapa wrote:

I really doubt much is going to happen over the next 16 hours.

I suppose, but it never hurts to try. On Day 1, people were going to do the policy lynch, and then it eventually switched over to Norwegian. While we did lose one of our PRs, it brought up a lot more info on people than just doing a simple policy lynch would have ever brought.

mrjawapa wrote:

If not zelda, then who?

My alternative was you, but if these are the case:

mrjawapa wrote:

I explained why I suspected Norboy. I also put mutant and task in a suspect list.

mrjawapa wrote:

Norboy suspected me because I suspected him.

Then my suspicions on you aren't as strong. The only other alternative I can think of would be Zumza, who initiated the lynch against Zelda, but Zumza also had good points for why they initially started the lynch against Zelda. My opinion on Zelda hasn't changed, I do still think they're town, but until there's more information, I don't really have an alternative.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-26 01:11:02

mrjawapa wrote:

Or they're sitting on it, because they don't want to die.

I doubt that's the case. It is possible, but I think it's more likely that the Lookout just has no information.

mrjawapa wrote:

Welcome to EE Forums mafia.

I'm aware that Policy lynches are usually the way to go for EE Forums Mafia, but doing so doesn't provide substantial information.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-28 07:02:14

Ok so, sorry for my recent inactivity. I got caught up with band practice, and just school in general.

I'm working on a reads list, I probably won't be able to get it in before I go to sleep, since I'm trying to make in depth analysises of everyone's Iso's, and my verdict on them. I'll try to get it out by the morning if I can.

And another thing I want to note, we really need to be careful about this lynch. We have 5 Town against 3 Mafia. If we mislynch today's vote, Mafia will be able to even the amount of Town and Mafia. We need to take today seriously and take a look at all of our options.

I don't want to say who I suspect yet, since I'll say those in my reads, along with why I suspect them. And another reason for why, is because I don't want to claim someone for a lynch yet, since I want to have grounds for who I suspect, rather than just saying "This person gives me a bad vibe, we should lynch them." A lot of the reads are usually like that, but I want to have more of a grounds than just a simple accusation.

Again, I'm sorry for my inactivity, as well as for the lack of content in this post, but I'll try to get my reads up in the morning. I'll probably be going to sleep here shortly, which is why I won't be able to finish the reads tonight.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-28 15:58:20

Ok so sorry, but I can't send the reads just yet, I was trying to go through all of them before school, but ended up not having enough time. And now I'm running a bit behind schedule so I have to head out and go to school. I'll work on the reads afterschool and send them when I'm finished.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-29 07:49:48

Ok so, I finished up with most of the reads, but I still have to finish up on one or two of the reads. My laptop died, and I have to head off to sleep now. I'm sorry for postponing it so much, but I got sidetracked while making the reads and ended up having to do other stuff. Ill definitely send it in the morning though, since, like I said, I only have 1 or 2 more reads left to do.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-29 16:59:23

Ok, so I finally finished my reads. As for response to 2B, I understand why you would think that, but I was honestly just very busy the last two days, and making this reads list as in depth as I could, it was hard to get it out early like I'd hoped. And, there's a TL;DR at the end, simplified explanations for why I think people are what I placed them as. Anyway, without further ado, here are my reads.

Case 1: Peace / JoeyC

Joey's posts were far and few between. He never really had an opinion of his own, and mainly followed the wills of others. The only instance where I can find where he made somewhat of his own claim was this:

Joeyjoey65 wrote:

eleizibeth wrote:
joey, i think it would be better to take our time and make the right decisions rather than lynch potentially useful people asap
yeah, it's only a day one lynch, so there's gonna be some amount of randomness, but i think if we wait for more info we might make a better decision than just lynching a completely random person because they're "usually inactive"
We probably aren't going to get that much more info than what we currently have now. It's honestly hard to get a good answer about someone especially on day 1. Where nobody's really figured anybody out. As usually being inactive will honestly just rise more suspicion towards you.

Although it's not really much. I don't think anything about Joey's actions specifically give off any suspicious vibes.

As for peace, he is much more active than Joey was. Which is where most of my reads on Peace will come from.

Most of Peace's posts are hard to read. But he followed a different mindset to what Joey set forth. Joey was for the Policy lynch, while Peace made it known that he wanted to wait it out for more information. Day 2 is where his lynching gets sporadic. He listens to Zelda's opinion of Mutant (Which is fine on it's own accord). But the part that struck me as suspicious is the fact that Peace voted and unvoted for Mutant. And did so again later on.

In the first part, it's reasonable, he listened to an opinion that Zelda made, and was following through. He did, later on, decide to place a lynch on Mutant once again later, to "Place pressure on him." During the inbetweens of these two votes, he claimed that he was unsure of lynching Mutant because:

peace wrote:

right now i have no idea hwo to lynch other then MABY mutant btu mutant is a 50/50 eithe rhes mafia or a framed townie that looks very sus now cuase of no kill so thats teh reason im not gonna vote mutant yet as that would be helping the mafia alos woudl liek to hear somethign form bimps so thats a nice wait as well

His opinion was either that Mutant was a mafia, or a framed townie. He's mentioned his stance on this twice, although never came to a conclusion on him. My reasoning for this is that he likely didn't take the time to isolate Mutant's posts, and that he just was going with what the rest of the Town was saying. I find it somewhat suspicious that Peace followed that course of action.

His opinions on Mutant are the only ones I can find to be sporadic. He hasn't brought suspicion up against anyone except for Mutant. He might have agreed with suspicions, but the only person he actively tried to get lynched was Mutant.

My opinion on peace is that his opinions seem to be malleable, he never really seems to have an opinion of his own. He did, however, bring up the fact that Norwegian self voted, which meant it was unlikely that Norwegian was Mafia. But most of his other opinions, from what I read through (I skipped over some because a lot of his posts were hard to read), just seemed like opinions that other people have already stated.

My final verdict on Peace is that he's slightly suspicious.

Case 2: TaskManager

TaskManager wrote:

Luka are there any other reasons besides Slab being a lurker

TaskManager wrote:

The candidate is worth considering until we have better options
I say we wait since the day jusg started and not even a half of players posted yet

TaskManager wrote:

What do you think of Zumza, Jawapa, Zelda being candidates for the same reason?

Pretty much since the start of the game, Task have been trying to get people to think more about what they're doing, rather than going straight into a lynch, although, his pattern for who he voted for was a bit off. He sided with saying that Slab should not be lynched, then onto saying Slab SHOULD be lynched (To confirm is Norwegian is Mafia or not), then ended up switching over to Norwegian. He did eventually explain that this was because:

TaskManager wrote:

!lynch NorwegianBoy
The only reason I didn't want to do this earlier was that there was a wagon on Slab already and taking votes from him and putting them on Norboy could make either have not enough votes for a lynch, now that other people switched to Norboy, there's no risk that the wagon falls apart
Also mutant provided another good point on lynching Norboy so here we go

I don't understand why he was afraid to vote for Norwegian if he was afraid the wagon would fall apart. He justifies his reasoning for voting for Norwegian clearly as that he's switching since a wagon is already being formed against him. Because of his openness about it, I doubt that alone will mean much. But, I do think it's a bit odd that he draws suspicion onto someone, and only chooses to vote them once other people also started to form a wagon on them. Possibly an attempt to not draw suspicion to himself.

TaskManager wrote:

I kinda find it odd how Zelda threw in the "mutant juicy target" accusation, then completely forgot about it in his next post, possibly because people didn't believe it fully, I think it's scum indicative how he stopped pushing that point when people didn't buy it much
I also don't like Zumza's unexplained vote on Zelda though
I can fancy a Zumza lynch or a Zelda lynch right now, but this is only because I see nothing else to go off
If someone presents a better case on someone else, I'm willing to consider that

This post really stands out for when I first started suspecting Task. Task does explain that he doesn't like Zumza's lynch, sure, that's understandable, because Zumza did place the lynch out of the blue. But the part that I find odd is that Task is trying to bring up suspicion against Zelda here. Zelda's only two posts in Day 2 were something against Mutant, and a post concerning the Jester.

My thought process for this is that either Task was trying to figure out what Zelda's intentions are, or that Task was trying to build up a case towards Zelda to eventually get him lynched. Similar case as he did with Norwegian.

TaskManager wrote:

Crybaby wrote:
TaskManager wrote:
!unvote
Does Mutantdevle being suspicious about you make you feel unsure about your vote or something?
I intended unvoting a bit earlier, it's because Jawapa is way more likely to flip as jester, than scum imo
TaskManager wrote:
Though I've thought about his play in PurgatorEE, and I'm unsure on him either, the way he plays right now isn't similar to the way he played in PurgatorEE as mafia

There's also this post. Knowing how Taskmanager has acted thus far, he seems to have a backlash at the people who suspect him, by proving points of why he's not Mafia, and sometimes voting for them. (Task was suspected by Norwegian, because Task voted for him, Jawapa was suspicious of Task, and Task eventually voted for him, but backed out, and Bimps is now suspecting Task, and Task is now suspecting Bimps, which Task did vote for Bimps). The reason this post stands out is that he didn't seem to have that same approach when Mutant had a suspicion on him. In general, Task has been very passive to Mutant up until Day 3, which I'll go over on my read of Mutant.

In that fasion, the only other thing I find suspicious about Taskmanger is his lynch on Jawapa. He decided to lynch Jawapa to make him go to L-2, but near the end, backed out of it. Now, the reason I find this supicious is because the reason Taskmanager backed out of it, using this post for his reasoning:

TaskManager wrote:

I intended unvoting a bit earlier, it's because Jawapa is way more likely to flip as jester, than scum imo

But when he initially voted for Jawapa, he mentioned the fact that Jawapa is likely to flip Jester, yet lynched him either way:

TaskManager wrote:

!vote Jawapa
L-2
Let's try it
For all we know he could be a jester, but eh not a big loss for us

The only reason I find it suspicious, is that knowing that Jawapa was likely to flip Jester, he decided to opt out of the lynch. And I see this as an attempt to save himself from being killed by Jawapa, since Jawapa had suspicions on Task. It's likely to assume that Task thought Jawapa would kill him if he kept with the lynch.

My final verdict on him is that he's suspicious.

Case 3: 2B55B5G TNG / Luka504

Similarly to how I read Peace, the first part of this analysis will be on Luka's Posts, then moving onto 2B's posts.

Luka504 wrote:

Lynching day 1 is generally favourable, even if you do it randomly. For one, it stops us from ever having an even amount of players. If there's 13 people alive, you need 7 for a majority. If there's 12 alive, you still need 7 for a majority, which makes it harder to reach a consensus.
Two, dead players are the only factual information we have access to (excluding power roles). When someone goes, we can analyse their interactions with everyone else. What did they flip? Who started their bandwagon? Who defended them? Who should we go for next.
It's still too early in the game to have a concrete case on someone. The day has recently started, and I'm only suggesting slabdrill if we do not have a better candidate for the guillotine.

The first line of this post sounds super suspicious. I get what he's going for with that information, but it just sounds suspicious. Although, I'm still not wholly aware of Luka's playstyle, as many mention that him being aggressive is just a part of how he plays.

The second and third lines do sound a little more holistic.

The fact that Luka decided to so eagerly lynch someone, mainly being Slabdrill, is what I think most people read as a suspicious move, especially so early on in the day.

There's only really one post I find suspicious from Luka, which is mainly this:

Luka504 wrote:

I.. Don't know what more you want me to say.

And it's not of suspicion, but more the fact that he seemed to try to appeal to what Norwegian wanted him to say here. He seemed sort of hopeless, which could have been either a sign that he was revealed, or that he just has no defense.

Now I move onto 2B55B5G. When he first joined, he tried to move past what happened with Luka, as shown in this post:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I don't know why Luka was focusing on lynching Slabdrill rather than other inactive people. I think Luka could've pushed a Slabdrill lynch if he really wants to get rid of inactive players. But what Luka is thinking isn't what I'm thinking, I still think we should wait everyone to talk then decide, rather than lynching someone random and you get no information from it, plus lynching early kills discussion time, so I didn't understand what Luka was doing lol

Norwegian originally read this as a scum move, since he seemed like he was trying to ease the suspicion on him. I do agree with Norwegian's assessment on that, since this post does seem like that's coming off that way.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

So Mutant, you're saying Luka was trying to cause discussion? I guess it makes sense but it makes Luka very suspicious.

Although, this post, along with others, makes me think otherwise. He denies the claim that he was trying to cover it up, and even several times throughout the first day continues to agree with the assessment that Luka came off as suspicious.

Another post for why I believe otherwise on 2B's standings is his reads, most other's haven't shown reads, except for some other few. I think he could have elaborated more on a few points, but overall, gets the general idea of his opinions.

Another thing that strikes me as suspicious, similarly to why I found Task suspicious:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

!vote MrJawapa
I’m voting Jawapa because Norboy suspects him, and he also voted for Norboy. And I did not understand why did Jawapa vote for Zelda, I think Zelda was just saying his opinion on the N1 kill.
I think Jawapa and Zumza might be connected, they both wants to lynch Zelda. Zumza’s vote on Zelda was to cause conversation and reactions, but later he said he feels comfortable on gambling Zelda. Jawapa also sees no other candidate to lynch.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

For me it really seems like they both have a connection. And I also don't want to risk lynching Jawapa. If Jawapa is lynched and turns out to be jester, it's fine for me, killing me doesn't really make any differences because I consider myself not very helpful. But what if Jawapa kills Zelda or Crybaby? I think both of them are valuable and helpful, killing them can be a big loss. So I don't want to risk it.
Therefore, I'm voting for Zumza.
!unvote
!vote Zumza

They both voted for Jawapa, and soon after unvoted because they suspected Jawapa of being Jester. And for those reasons, is one of the main reasons for where my suspicion of 2B comes from.

He does make it clear that he votes for Zumza over Jawapa, because he believes Zumza and Jawapa have a connection, but just didn't want to risk lynching the Jester. But as with my opinion on Task, this could be an attempt to avoid being killed by Jawapa. However, Jawapa didn't suspect 2B, which is why I'm less inclined to believe that his intention was to avoid being killed.

The rest of the posts by 2B, there's only like 3 or so more, don't really strike me in any sort of direction.

My final verdict on 2B is slightly suspicious. (Due to him retracting his vote on Jawapa).

Case 4: mutantdevle

Something about mutant does feel off. It's hard to put exactly into words, because all of his posts just seem like Townish posts.

So I'll start from the beginning, since this will probably a lot harder for me to place a read on.

mutantdevle wrote:

I think the main problem we have is with the disguiser. The janitor isn't anything special; it just has a chance to deprive us of some information. But that lack of information could make the mafia over-confident and hence potentially expose themself. But that disguiser, unless we lynch them today, no flip can be trusted (no town flip can anyway). I just want to make that clear to everyone because it changes quite a large dynamic of the game.

This post just feels like Mutant's trying to get information out to people.

His lynch on Norwegian did strike me as suspicious. I explained multiple times why I thought Norwegian was Town before their ultimate demise, and at first Mutant said that he was lynching Norwegian because he wanted to confirm him as Town (Which he later corrected, because he meant as Mafia).

Norwegian also found him suspicious. And I'll review the points that Norwegian made, since they'll probably be more accurate that points I can make.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
Primarily because of all this talk of 'other options' without anyone else truly being seriously suggested, I'm going to vote Slabdrill. Because let's be honest, Slabdrill is almost objectively the optimal lynch on day 1.
!vote Slabdrill
He just said that only the day 1 lynch can be trusted, yet chooses to vote against the person that would tell us the least amount of information out of everyone. Is this really how a townie Mutant would act? (Taskmanager voted this post. In general MrJawapa and Taskmanager agrees a lot with Mutantdevle. Especially on the Slabdrill lynch.)

I agree with this post. A lot of the suspicion that Mutant has can't really be pinned to this game exactly. As in, in previous games, Mutant has done full out posts trying to explain why people are suspicious, and why we should vote for them. Although, in this game, we don't see much of that.

I did notice the link between Mutant and Task, where Task was backing up Mutant Day 1, and then on Day 2, also sent a few posts defending Mutant. The only reason I don't see this connection anymore, is that into Day 3, Task started to suspect Mutant more and break ties between them.

If Mutant and Task were both Mafia, and they were supporting each other for the first two days, it would make sense why they would want to break that for Day 3, since Day 3 is the last chance for the town to make a move on the Mafia. I find it suspicious that on this day is when the two of them decided to break their link.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
To clarify, I do think that only looking at Slabdrill in the beginning was a bit narrow-minded. However, now that other options have been looked at; or rather, no one seems to have any solid reasons to go for other options; I'm now fully supportive of lynching Slabdrill at this stage.
Also, I no longer agree with my statement that Slabdrill is a useful lurker. As you pointed out, he was useful to me last game by basically being a yes man. But then I thought about the rest of the games he's played in where he's basically been useless - hence my most recent comments. Also, I did suspect Slabdrill last game since he was on the lynch side of the plan. This was only later changed (as stated in heaven) by 2B55 being scummier than him towards the end of the game.
Now Mutant is doubling down on the "lynching anyone else is useless" stance. Also he retracts his statement about Slabdrill being useful.

In general, Mutant's targets seem odd. At first being Slab, switching over to Norwegian. On day 2 supecting Zelda, for attempting to divert the lynch, in a sense, and on Task on Day 3. The Day 3 lynch is what stikes me as odd, since Task and Mutant had a passive connection up until that day, and then are now acting more aggressive to each other.

I'm aware that on Day 2, near the end, both of them started to voice their opinions of each other being suspicious, but that doesn't negate the fact that they did it right before one of the most important days for us.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
There's yet to be anybody that I consider suspicious enough to be worth voting for. However, you (NorwegianboyEE) are currently top of my suspect list.
Now that i'm moving against the Slabdrill vote he immediately puts me on top of the suspicion list.

I don't have much opinion on this part, since all of it can really be explained from what Norwegian said. But, I do find it suspicious that Mutant, like Task, had retaliated against the person who started bringing up suspicion on them, and chose to put them as a high priority for who they were targetting. Although, this doesn't reveal all too much in that case, since it was Day 1, but it is something to make note of.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
So I'm somewhat confident that norwegianboy is town, lynching him could solve the alignment of 2 other players, and even if I'm wrong norwegianboy being the only person confirmed as town is still valuable. I don't really see a reason not to vote.
!vote Norwegianboy
He might just be trying to clean his hands from the knowledge that he knows i will flip town. Thus trying to make me look scummy, but also acts like voting me is a "good thing" and therefore he shouldn't be suspected for doing it.

That part does sound like he's trying to ease the suspicion on him. He seemed confident that Norwegian was Mafia, but it is obvious that Mutant tried to take away the suspicion those rose around him from his lynch on Norwegian.

(I cut out the part of text where Norwegian had a string of posts without the BBCode thing on it, but they don't really have much more opinions for them by me other than what has already been mentioned).

Mutant's posts don't seem to reveal too much about his alliance in my opinion. But his actions, and the difference from how he plays this game to how he played last game do differ greatly. It could possibly be because of the night killing aspect, which wasn't present in PurgatorEE. But I think that despite that, Mutant would have still tried to be more helpful to the town, and have more of an opinion on more scenarios.

Instead, Mutant chose to focus on specific people, not putting some input into other lynches. One of the things I find suspicious. Although, there's not much else I can really say about Mutant, since he seems very odd to me. His actions don't line up with what he's saying, and I can't really pin it into a specific post, because it's not in a specific post.

My final verdict on Mutant is that he's suspicious.

Case 5: ZeldaXD

Despite Zelda's inactivity, I have mentioned my stance on them before.

ZeldaXD wrote:

God you guys are already at it with the walls of text. I have only read over the top and I don't think the focus Luka seems to have with Slabdrill is scum indicative or anything. Would mafia really be so low iq as to focus so aggresively on someone? Unless thats what they want us to think.

ZeldaXD wrote:

Mutantdevle would be a very juicy target for mafia, especially with doctor being dead, because we all know how helpful mutantdevle is for whatever team he's in, so if mutant is town I think mafia would target getting rid of him, but they pick to kill a random like eleizibeth? Not buying it, I'm scum-reading mutant HARD.

The first message, while late, does provide some insight. At the time. no one really took the time to think about it. Because of that, everyone was so focused on lynching Slab or Luka. The second post to me doesn't strike me as anything suspicious, but mainly to prove my point that he's just trying to give information out to everyone.

ZeldaXD wrote:

My main reason to find Mutant very sus was him not dying n1 despite being a very obvious target, however, I forgot there's a lookout (and a veteran), so it makes sense as to why mafia would not target him (yet). But I'm not willing to call him non-sus as of yet nor do I think such theory should be entirely discarded, especially considering Norwegian's lynch, who wrote a case against him which Mutant did not bother to answer quoting mutant "If anyone agrees with any of the points Norwegian made in this post then please point them out but otherwise I don't see a lot of point in refuting what he said if he's not here to justify them."

Further onto that, Zelda does explain that he forget that there was a Lookout. It was likely a mistake on his part, as he did admit to it, and doesn't give me a reason to believe he isn't Town. Again, on top of that post, there's this:

ZeldaXD wrote:

Welp, since it seems likely Jawapa will be lynched and that nothing much is going to change in the next 35 minutes, I'm going to vote Jawapa.
Jawapa, if you are jester, kill me. I don't want to risk Crybaby or Slab having power roles, albeit they could be mafia, I find it unlikely.

Where Zelda willingly voted for Jawapa, knowing full well that Jawapa was likely to flip Jester. His reasoning for doing so was that he didn't want to risk a PR being the victim to Jawapa's kill. Despite being unable to prevent that kill, Zelda has shown that he is Town, primarily through him willing to sacrifice himself to save a possible PR.

As for this post:

ZeldaXD wrote:

ZeldaXD wrote:
I'm calling it now; Most likely, no mafia voted for Jawapa until the end. We were all aware of Jawapa being EITHER scum or jester, and mafia knew for sure he wasn't mafia thus they probably knew he was most likely Jester, why would mafia risk having one of their teammates vote for Jawapa and risk getting them killed?
Expanding on this theory, it would in fact be in the interest of mafia to push a Jester lynch but not actually commit to it, if there's no mafia in the lynch, then it's 100% guaranteed for a townie to be lynched.

I think the prime suspicions from this post would be Task or 2B55. Mainly for the reason that both of them placed a vote on Jawapa, and both of them ended up retracting their vote from him. There isn't much else I can analyze from Zelda's posts.

My final verdict on Zelda is Townish. (Don't wanna fully call it town just yet).

Case 6: Slabdrill

Ok so this read will probably be shorter than the rest, because Slab has less posts than others here.

Slabdrill wrote:

I'm not too good with giving comments on a wide scale like this but I never get anything specific to give comments about. I know of the usual traits that slightly indicate scum, but I don't pay too much attention to them. Maybe I should look a bit closer sometimes.
I also want to repeat mutant's concerns that D1 is the only time we can be sure the killed person is a townie instead of maf, since after that the disguiser may have been killed (and they have no reason not to disguise themself because there's no use limit on it), as this is pretty important.

Understandable, and I believe the second part does give off more of a Townish vibe, since Slab is trying to help spread information. While it was initially voiced by Mutant, it seems like Slab is using this post to make sure that everyone is aware of it.

Slabdrill wrote:

That explains your inactivity in the last game a lot, actually. My keyboard is completely busted so I spend nore time on my phone. (My previous post was made on a different computer because iso-checking everyone on mobile seems like even more of a pain. This is why I waited a few hours before doing it.)
Not wanting to promote yourself as town also makes sense, since people seem to read that as a scumtrait. And indeed, while I know I’m a townie, if I didn’t I’d read myself fairly neutral. Taking attention off or yourself to focus on the broader view is also what I think is correct; it’s all i really give, except when abswering a specific question.
(you have gained a small amount of townie points for me from that post, though it totally read like you defending yourself though i wasn’t suspicious anyways.)

However, despite Slab's inactivity, I do find his reads to be somewhat useful, such as this post, and the other two posts he's made concerning his reads.

The only really suspicious thing isn't really much of a reason to suspect them. But they did vote for Norwegian, and then the next post after, unvoted for Norwegian.

Slabdrill wrote:

!vote norwegianboy
i think they’re town, but the information is the best we’re getting

Slabdrill wrote:

!unvote
I really think norwegianboy is town. They’re still probably going to win plurality anyways...
also peace’s posts are understandable because they’re all short, though they should probably reread the entire thread and/or say something to help get a read on them

But, despite that, with the context of the situation, it does make sense why Slab would retract his lynch from Norwegian, since there seemed to really be a divided opinion on the lynch against Norwegian (Some voting for him, saying that Norwegian is likely scum, while another side defending against the lynch). And they sided with trying to defend the lynch, which is why I don't really see them retracting their vote as suspicious.

Slabdrill wrote:

day ends in 70 minutes (12pm my time, and it’s currently 10:50)
!vote jawapa
even if they’re the jester, i think they’ll hve good enough judgment to kill a scum. though i’m not sure if any scum acrually still have the vote on them

Similarly to my reasoning with Zelda, I see this as more of a Townish move. He was aware that Jawapa was likely the Jester, Slab still voted for Jawapa. Their intentions were a bit different, however. Zelda voted for Jawapa to prevent a possible PR from getting lynched, while Slab voted to push closer to plurality (Likely to make it so that Jawapa being lynched would have a higher chance of exposing possible Mafia members, as well as giving Jawapa the chance to kill a possible Mafia member). After this there's not too much to go off of, since the rest of it is just update posts and such.

My final verdict on Slabdrill is Townish. (Again, don't want to call it Town just yet).

Case 7: Bimps / Heebus Bajesus

So, as stated before, this will follow a similar format to how I did the Peace/JoeyC read. Starting off with posts from Heebus, then moving onto posts by Bimps.

HeebusBajesus wrote:

And as of mafia so far all I see that can be done at the moment is state the obvious. Trying to analyze posts when nothing has been done yet is loose proof and not really a reliable foundation on someone.
It sounds lazy and dumb but I think sitting back and waiting till first night hits is what I'm gonna do.
Another part of my decision is because I simply don't know anyone here besides Rene. I don't recognize how different people here act on a daily basis nor how their attitude fluctuates towards certain things.
Therefore I am sitting back.

I've explained my opinion on this already. I did find it suspicious that Heebus chose to sit back instead of participate in the post analyzing and such. I haven't been as prominent on a vote against lynching Heebus, and now Bimps, because when Bimps replaced Heebus, Bimps was more active, which inactivity, coupled with the clear decision to do so, is the only thing that made me suspcicious of Heebus.

The rest of Heebus' posts just seem like clarifications for why they were inactive, so I don't really have much reads on Heebus on that end.

As for Bimps, nothing really struck me as suspicious up until the debacle with Task. Most of his posts before that were his reads on people. I don't have much opinion on the debacle between them, because to me, it doesn't seem like there's much I can really get from it. It seems like a tactic from both of them to try and get the other lynched. My opinion of Bimps is just inbetween because I don't see any of his posts that reveal anything about his alliance. He did claim Villager when he first came in, but I'd figure it's best not to trust the claims just yet. Most of his posts don't really give me the opinion of either Townish or Suspicious.

Bimps wrote:

mrjawapa wrote:
I am jester. And I'm going to.
If he decides to back out before the end of the day, he needs to be lynched tomorrow.
His comment about killing him instead of crybaby or maxi makes me believe he is godfather. Killing the godfather doesnt take a power role away from the mafia, as they still get their nightly kill.
They're probably gonna have their janitor disguise zelda as a townie.
Ok but if you end up not being jester you aren't gonna hear the end of it
!vote MrJawapa

Also this post gives off more of a Townish vibe, but, as he doesn't really explain his intention with voting for Jawapa, I can only really assume he's doing it to bring Jawapa closer to Plurality. And considering he did this so close to the end of the day, I don't have much reason to claim it as a Town move yet.

However, I do want to bring up this to him:

Bimps wrote:

Just gonna ignore task from now on, ez scum in the bag. Now time to post my epic reads
-Peace (Replacing JoeyC) - Annoying as **** so I'm just gonna say he's not scum because I can't read his posts
-TaskManager
-2B55B5G TNG (Replacing Luka504) - Has wrote a lot, and this is gamebreaking but I'm assuming that if you subbed into scum you probably wouldn't want to type up this much stuff
-mutantdevle - Not fully confident on this, but they want to wagon people which is a no bueno move. Could be town
-ShadowsEdge - Ez pick
-ZeldaXD - Way too sus for my liking
-Slabdrill - Idk lol probably town, they haven't talked enough. Could see them being scum if devle isn't

I appreciate the enthusiasm to help, but it would be greatly appreciated if you could prove more of a reasoning for each player.

Final verdict on Bimps is Neutral.

TL;DR

Peace: Slightly suspicious, but not enough to dictate a lynch for today.
TaskManager: Suspicious, because of their actions with Mutant, and how they lynch.
2B55B5G: Slightly suspicious, would not be enough to dictate a lynch.
mutantdevle: Suspicious, because his playstyle on this game differs heavily from PurgatorEE.
ZeldaXD: Townish, seems like they're just trying to help.
Slabdrill: Townish, also just seems like they're trying to help.
Bimps: Neutral, because none of their posts really give off the impression of either alignment.

My current Mafia suspicions are TaskManager, mutantdevle, and Peace.
Only reason I chose Peace over 2B55 is that Peace, while trying to help, seems to just follow the majority opinion, while 2B55 has stated his opinion in circumstances, and provided reads as well.

As with previous reads, I won't be placing a lynch just yet. Today is even more important not to get too hasty into a lynch. While I do find Mutant and Task the most suspicious, I think it's best to wait for their responses, and get an opinion from everyone so that we can all reach a consensus on who to lynch today.

And again, I'm sorry for my reads taking so long, I got caught up with School, Band Practice, and some other things going on, so I wasn't able to have a lot of time to go into making the reads.

Slabdrill, 2b55b5g, ZeldaXD

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-29 18:09:25

TaskManager wrote:

I never said we shouldn't lynch Slabdrill

Said it cuz you agreed that we shouldn't do a Policy lynch straight from the start. Sorry for the confusion.

TaskManager wrote:

Back then, we either had to keep all votes on Slab to lynch Slab, or move all votes onto Norboy, to lynch Norboy
I've considered them to be a mafia couple back then and was happy to vote for either
breaking the wagon into to smaller wagons does no good, it's basic math

I suppose, but it would have been nice to clarify that earlier. I just assumed you said that because you were unsure of if you would be able to get Norwegian lynched (Which sounded like a scum move to me), but again, I did say that I was unsure of if that was really the case, because you openly said it.

TaskManager wrote:

Nah I was looking for anything suspicious cause we had nothing to go off

Makes sense.

TaskManager wrote:

Out of all people suspecting me only Mutant sounded reasonable
Norboy was retaliating cause I pushed against him, Jawapa is jester and Bimps's accusations are a joke, I'm pretty sure he's mafia

I suppose, but your interactions with Mutant is what made that suspicious, since you were backing up Mutant, and sided with Mutant in D1.

TaskManager wrote:

I do anticipate a fake counterclaim though, since if mafia get me lynched today they won the game, and they can risk one of their players fakeclaiming to do that, as long as town trusts that player instead of myself.

I don't really think there'll be a counterclaim. The Mafia would be stupid to do so, and you would be able to easily call them out on it. I still have my suspicions of you, but for now I'll leave them to the side. Since I don't want to risk losing the Lookout.

Also, who do you think we should lynch? I know you've had your assessments on Mutant and on Bimps, but I want to know your opinions of what we should do.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-29 18:44:21

mutantdevle wrote:

My scum read on Zelda was almost entirely based on their associations with TaskManager so I don't know what to make of their slot anymore and wouldn't feel comfortable voting them yet unless someone has any strong reason to.
Shadow and Slabdrill are undoubtedly town. If anyone disagrees then fight me.

That leaves peace, 2B55 and bimps.
Bimps is scummy because Heebus was scummy and bimps hasn't done anything to change that.
2B55 is actually kinda townie from what I remember.
Does anyone ever know what the **** peace is? Actually, thinking about it more, I briefly played with scum peace and I don't get the same sense of uncertainty in his posts as he had there. So I'm getting more of a town read from peace here.

So for now I'm thinking: bimps > Zelda > 2B55 > peace.

Honestly Peace strikes me as more suspicious, but the only reason I have no real claim against Bimps is because the only thing that can be used to identify Bimps' alliance is his claim to being Villager, but even that can't be counted as true just yet, because the majority of people here are Villagers.

TaskManager wrote:

I did! Twice!! Maybe even more

Oops, might've missed it. When I went through your Iso I didn't see anything related to that. So sorry about that.

TaskManager wrote:

What's there to do? My bets are on these two and I'd vote either of them (Bimps and Mutant)

I'd agree, but my stance on Bimps is still undefined, since I don't have much of a claim to him. I do want to hear his response to you on this as well, though.

TaskManager wrote:

I think Peace and Slab are townish.

In that case, who do you think the Mafia are? (I know you read Bimps and Mutant as Mafia, but who do you think the third is)

TaskManager wrote:

By the way, this is like mutant expected a lynch on me to be agreed upon
It's really odd how bimps and mutant are so overconfident about my alignment

Mutant did bring up a post about possibly lynching you in Day 2, I mentioned it in my post as well, but it seems now like a move to get rid of one of their threats without having to risk killing them in the night.

TaskManager wrote:

What do you (and others) think of points that I provided against Bimps? I swear, it's like nobody even bothered reading them

I didn't read through them because I wasn't sure of either of your alignments. Knowing that you're the Lookout clears things up.

Bimps might have possibly been trying to side with Mutant in trying to get rid of a threat to them. The Mafia seem to only target less significant players at night, and target the more significant players during the Day. Bimps and Mutant teaming up on lynching you seems suspicious on both accounts. I'll do a deeper analysis on the interactions between the two of you if you want.

But in any case, I'll be putting Bimps down as Suspicious now rather than Neutral.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-29 18:58:20

Bimps wrote:

Hey lookout if you aren't task this is when you CLAIM IT

Can you explain why you don't trust Task's claim? If a Mafia were to openly claim Lookout, they could be immediately shot down, so Task claiming it doesn't seem like he's lying about being Lookout.

TaskManager wrote:

Ffs
This is genuinely frustrating
If there's no confirmed townies, then why bother reading the thread at all

What I meant was, yes, I did read through it, but I didn't bother analyzing it, because, at the time, it seemed like a bunch of nonsense, since neither of your alliances could be stated with clarity. And to me, like I said in my reads, the debacle between the two of you doesn't reveal all that much. But since you revealed as Lookout, I'll take a look through it again.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-29 22:19:23

So since TaskManager revealed as Lookout, I'm gonna go back through Task's interactions with Bimps, since I looked over the debacle from the beginning, since I had thought no information would come of it.

Bimps wrote:

God dammit I want to lynch zelda but people are getting killed too fast for that to be safe
!vote TaskManager
Back to this one

Bimps kind of brought this up out of nowhere. He had mentioned his suspicion of Task in Day 2. But the part that is weird about it is that he says he won't lynch Zelda because "people are getting killed too fast for that to be safe." Which makes no sense, because his reason for suspecting Task wasn't a very strong indication of a scum-trait.

Now, the only reason that Bimps had to suspect Task on was the premise of him joining on a band wagon. Because, before that, Bimps had shown no indication that he had any suspicions on Task. And even mentioned that he thought that Task was either Town or Jester:

Bimps wrote:

Welp between maxi and ****, at least one is town or jester

I assume, the reason for why Bimps chose to lynch Task Day 3 is that since Jester was revealed, he chose to target Task. Believing that Task, since he could no longer be Jester, would be Mafia.

Bimps wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
Bimps wrote:
God dammit I want to lynch zelda but people are getting killed too fast for that to be safe
!vote TaskManager
Back to this one
How's that safe lol
Because I think that zelda is disguiser and wants to die for mafia's sake. One of you is maf

Honestly, don't know where he gets this idea from. He chooses to focus on Task, because he believes the other person is Mafia, but doesn't want to vote for them. If he believes Zelda is the Disguiser, I don't see a reason why he would try to get Task lynched, unless he was trying to place pressure on Task. But from his wording, it seems like he's just going with the assumption that Task is Mafia.

Bimps wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
Bimps wrote:
TaskManager wrote:
Bimps wrote:
Also, who do you think is scum?
I will give an answer to that once other people post
Bruh this isn't day 1, cmon you're slipping
What are you going to gain from seeing my suspects now rather than 24 hours later?
Because if you say them now AND in a day, we can see your thought process. I literally caught you in the act, you are scum.

Firstly, I think the first post is again, trying to get Task to confess to being Mafia. The second post by Bimps makes sense, but I do agree with what Task said, waiting for a bit after day starts to make your reads can be good, because once people start to post, you can see the changes of how they take on Day 1, Day 2, and Day 3, which some people do take very differently.

TaskManager wrote:

Yeah, you definitely did
you're either mafia desperately trying to get me lynched, or just really bad at this cause you're blindly pointing fingers at this point

I agree, but to me, it doesn't seem like he's just "blindly pointing fingers," because he did mention his suspicion of you in Day 2, and acted on it then, but then backed off of it to vote for Jawapa. Then picked it back up again in Day 3.

Bimps wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
So assume that all mafia didn’t vote for Jawapa, then the 3 mafia are in these people:
That's a very bold assumption
I could bet that one mafia did participate in Jawapa's wagon, and took that risk because Jawapa would prefer Zelda/Crybaby over them
Bimps wrote:
mrjawapa wrote:
I am jester. And I'm going to.
If he decides to back out before the end of the day, he needs to be lynched tomorrow.
His comment about killing him instead of crybaby or maxi makes me believe he is godfather. Killing the godfather doesnt take a power role away from the mafia, as they still get their nightly kill.
They're probably gonna have their janitor disguise zelda as a townie.
Ok but if you end up not being jester you aren't gonna hear the end of it
!vote MrJawapa
Bimps voted Jawapa after he claimed that he's going to kill Zelda
That's scummy
You're just trying to call me out becasue I'm pressuring you. How is it scummy to vote a jester who was gonna kill someone that I also wanted dead?

In my opinion, if you knew the Jester was going to kill someone who wasn't you, and that the Jester was aligning themselves with the Town, then you would likely vote for Jawapa. Because knowing that A, you wouldn't be killed, B, you knew the target Jawapa was planning to kill, and C, Jawapa wasn't suspicious of you, it would make sense for you to vote for Jawapa, even if you were Mafia. Like Task said, for more of a Town read.

Although, I'm still unsure of my stance on this, Bimps could have been killed by the Jester, which he knew, because he took the risk of lynching Jawapa.

Bimps wrote:

You're suspicious because you are now completely focused on me, and are trying to mirror my tactics to get a wagon on me. Not gonna work. Send reads.

I might be wrong, but right here it seems like Bimps is trying to heighten the suspicion on Task. He's been focused on Task for the Majority of Day 3, as Task mentioned to Bimps, so I don't know where he got the point of saying that alone makes someone suspicious. I don't like the idea of either of you guys starting a wagon this early, since the both of you started an argument, and then placed a lynch against each other. But my suspicions are more towards Bimps now.

Bimps wrote:

Just gonna ignore task from now on, ez scum in the bag. Now time to post my epic reads
-Peace (Replacing JoeyC) - Annoying as **** so I'm just gonna say he's not scum because I can't read his posts
-TaskManager
-2B55B5G TNG (Replacing Luka504) - Has wrote a lot, and this is gamebreaking but I'm assuming that if you subbed into scum you probably wouldn't want to type up this much stuff
-mutantdevle - Not fully confident on this, but they want to wagon people which is a no bueno move. Could be town
-ShadowsEdge - Ez pick
-ZeldaXD - Way too sus for my liking
-Slabdrill - Idk lol probably town, they haven't talked enough. Could see them being scum if devle isn't

Going back to this, it might be possible that Bimps is trying to keep his reads simple, that way he doesn't reveal too much about what he knows of anyone. No explanation for Task, Short explanations for Zelda, peace, and I. I don't know if that is the case, or if he was just really not wanting to elaborate on his reads, but I think it's more suspicious now for his reads list to be so short.

Ok so I think that's all the information about Bimps I can get off of from his posts. Reading back through it, Bimps and Task both sounded really suspicious from it, but, since Task claimed, and no counterclaim has been made, I think it's fine to assume that Task is Lookout.

On another note, Bimps seems to be leaning more suspicious for me because of all of this, although, I don't want to place a lynch just yet, since I want to hear Task's opinion.

I think that because of Bimps and Mutant's recent interactions, where Bimps tried to get Mutant lynched, and Mutant is raising suspicion about Bimps. I think it's likely to assume that between Bimps and Mutant, one of them is Mafia, and one of them is Town. My opinion of which is Mafia, and which is not, is a little hazy, since they're both suspicious on their own accords.

TaskManager wrote:

I really hope Bimps and Mutant are just seamlessly bussing eachother rn, because if one of them is town and we have to take a 50/50 gamble that sucks

As for that, I think it's unlikely that Mafia would buss someone at this stage. Mafia only has to lynch one more town to even out the amount of Mafia and Town. If both of them are Mafia, they're raising suspicions for both of them, which would likely end in both of them being lynched, which seems like a stupid move for Mafia. That's why I believe one of them is Mafia, and the other is Town.

I'm personally starting to lean more towards Bimps, because of his general unexplained behavior through most of the game, and lack of evidence for me to read him as (When I did reads list).

In any case, I'll be waiting for a response from some people before I decide who I want to lynch, I don't want to get into a band wagon too quickly and mess up on the lynch, so I want to wait for other's opinions before doing so.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-08-29 22:56:33

TaskManager wrote:

Shadow, if you think that Bimps is mafia and Mutant is town, who do you think are the other two mafia members?
Contrarily, if you think that Mutant is mafia and Bimps is town, who do you think are the other two mafia members?

Considering the comments about peace, I did reconsider my stance on them, I'm putting them down as Neutral, but I don't want to consider them Townish yet, since they haven't given me much reason to place them there other than "They're not as suspicious as other people." Which isn't a good reason, at least to me, to place him as Townish.

I think if Bimps is Mafia, then 2B55B5G, and Slabdrill, because Bimps was passive to both of them.
If Mutant is Mafia, then I'd say it's probably 2B55B5G/Peace, or Slabdrill. Mutant made a post saying that he believes that 2B55, Peace, Slabdrill, and I were all town.

But I have no real suspicions of 2B55 or Slabdrill being Mafia, I read Slabdrill as Town, and 2B55 is suspicious, but not enough to really constitute a lynch. So the reads of why I see them as a team is mainly because of how passive they (As in, Bimps and Mutant), act to the two of them.

TaskManager wrote:

My opinion on what

Your opinion on Bimps alliance. I want to know whether you agree with the points, whether some points I made were off, stuff like that. Mainly to generate conversation about Bimps, and I chose you specifically, since as I said in that post, I believe you are town because of your roleclaim, and lack of a counterclaim from anyone else.

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