Math geeks are too stupid to fix this

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2018-09-28 05:50:29

0^1/0 = 1, because 0^0 = 1.
0^2/0^1 = 0^1, becuse of a rule of exponents.
Simply everything, you get:
0/0 = 1
0/0 = 0
So, 1=0. 1=0 is obviously nonsense, right? Those "professional" math people need to do something to this.

Kirby · 2018-09-28 06:03:30

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

0^1/0 = 1

no?

LukeM, TaskManager, some woman, coinage, Minimania, Enurp

Yonanoke · 2018-09-28 06:07:49

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

Those "professional" math people need to do something to this.

yes

ILikeTofuuJoe

rat · 2018-09-28 07:26:42

what

MWstudios · 2018-09-28 07:46:38

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

0^1

is 0

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

/0

is infinity

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

0^2

is 0

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

0^1

is 0 too, so

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

0^2/0^1

is infinity

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

0/0 = 1
0/0 = 0

and where did you take this, I don't know

Yu · 2018-09-28 08:41:54

2 + 2 is 4 - 1 is 3 quick maths

pwnzor, Minimania

azurepudding · 2018-09-28 09:12:11

Wrong, 0/0 = %

Luka504, Minimania

Luka504 · 2018-09-28 09:22:51

You can never divide by zero, thus this entire equation is wrong.

Zumza

LukeM · 2018-09-28 11:59:20

Maths geeks already did fix this

The problem arises from both 0^0 and 0/0 having multiple solutions depending on how you look at them

x^0 = 1 and 0^x = 0, but with x=0 these both give the same equation but different answers
The same with 0/x = 0 and x/x = 1

This is solved by saying that things like 0^0 and 0/0 are 'undefined', and giving equations a range of values which they are valid for, for example x^0=1 x≠0, and (x^2)^(1/2) = x x≥0

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TaskManager · 2018-09-28 12:57:26

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

0^1/0 = 1, because 0^0 = 1.

0^0 is indeterminate form
0^1/0 is 0/0 which is also indeterminate form
this thread is bad please delete

azurepudding wrote:

Wrong, 0/0 = %

What? How come Luka wooted this post instead of disagreeing with it and starting another long debate?

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2018-09-28 14:44:21

LukeM wrote:

Maths geeks already did fix this
The problem arises from both 0^0 and 0/0 having multiple solutions depending on how you look at them
x^0 = 1 and 0^x = 0, but with x=0 these both give the same equation but different answers
The same with 0/x = 0 and x/x = 1
This is solved by saying that things like 0^0 and 0/0 are 'undefined', and giving equations a range of values which they are valid for, for example x^0=1 x≠0, and (x^2)^(1/2) = x x≥0

__
\/-1 used to be undefined. But now it is i.
Undefined values are cheating.

LukeM · 2018-09-28 15:21:26

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

__
\/-1 used to be undefined. But now it is i.
Undefined values are cheating.

The difference is that root -1 can be used algebraically without breaking any of the existing rules, 0/0 and 0^0 don't do this so they have to be undefined, otherwise you end up with things like your original statement of 0 = 1

The great thing about Maths is that you can take take a statement and prove that it is true given some original statements, the reason this works is that the rules are constructed in a way that means that there will never be any contradictions, so there is no other option than to say that 0/0 and 0^0 are undefined, otherwise the whole of Maths won't work It isn't us saying 'we don't know the answer', its just the way things are, there *cannot* be a single answer.

Emma333, Minimania

Trytu · 2018-09-28 15:54:43

never divide by 0
if you divide x=1/(5+3-8)
x = 1/5 + 1/3 - 1/8 = 3/15 + 5/15 - 1/8 = 24/120 + 40/120 - 15/120=64/120 - 15/120 = 49/120 = x
you'll have different results
when you divide same thing by x=1/(2+3-5)
x = 1/2 + 1/3 - 1/5 = 5/6 - 1/5 = 25/30 - 6/30 = 19/30 = x
19/30 = 76/120 =/= 49/120
you'll get another result, even if 2+3-5 = 5+3-8
because 2+3-5=0, and 5+3-8=0
that's why you can't divide by 0

0^1/0 = 1, because 0^0 = 1.
0^2/0^1 = 0^1, becuse of a rule of exponents.

so in both examples you divided by 0

LukeM wrote:

The great thing about Maths is that you can take take a statement and prove that it is true given some original statements, the reason this works is that the rules are constructed in a way that means that there will never be any contradictions, so there is no other option than to say that 0/0 and 0^0 are undefined, otherwise the whole of Maths won't work It isn't us saying 'we don't know the answer', its just the way things are, there *cannot* be a single answer.

my opinion about 0^0 is 1
because 0^3 = (infinity amount of 1s)... 1*1*1*0*0*0*1*1*1...(infinity amount of 1s) = 1
so 0^0 = (infinity amount of 1s)...1*1*1*1*1...(infinity amount of 1s)
because 1 times everything = it self
that's how x^0 work according to my opinion
and that makes it not undefined
noone said that you can't do powers of 0, you only can't divide
even google say that 0^0 = 1, and 0/0 is undefined, so you shoudn't say that 0^0 is undefined

azurepudding · 2018-09-28 21:02:52

Trytu wrote:

never divide by 0
if you divide x=1/(5+3-8)
x = 1/5 + 1/3 - 1/8 = 3/15 + 5/15 - 1/8 = 24/120 + 40/120 - 15/120=64/120 - 15/120 = 49/120 = x
you'll have different results
when you divide same thing by x=1/(2+3-5)
x = 1/2 + 1/3 - 1/5 = 5/6 - 1/5 = 25/30 - 6/30 = 19/30 = x
19/30 = 76/120 =/= 49/120
you'll get another result, even if 2+3-5 = 5+3-8
because 2+3-5=0, and 5+3-8=0
that's why you can't divide by 0
0^1/0 = 1, because 0^0 = 1.
0^2/0^1 = 0^1, becuse of a rule of exponents.
so in both examples you divided by 0
LukeM wrote:
The great thing about Maths is that you can take take a statement and prove that it is true given some original statements, the reason this works is that the rules are constructed in a way that means that there will never be any contradictions, so there is no other option than to say that 0/0 and 0^0 are undefined, otherwise the whole of Maths won't work It isn't us saying 'we don't know the answer', its just the way things are, there *cannot* be a single answer.
my opinion about 0^0 is 1
because 0^3 = (infinity amount of 1s)... 1*1*1*0*0*0*1*1*1...(infinity amount of 1s) = 1
so 0^0 = (infinity amount of 1s)...1*1*1*1*1...(infinity amount of 1s)
because 1 times everything = it self
that's how x^0 work according to my opinion
and that makes it not undefined
noone said that you can't do powers of 0, you only can't divide
even google say that 0^0 = 1, and 0/0 is undefined, so you shoudn't say that 0^0 is undefined

Here is how I understand it:

x^0 is a simplified way of writing x^2/x^2 (or any other exponent over the same). You subtract the exponents and remove the denominator and end up with x^0. Tho an even simpler (and more obvious) way is simplifying this to just 1. BUT what if x equals 0? 0^0 alone seems like it checks out, but that'd mean you could also write it as 0^2/0^2, which is also equal to 0/0 which is division of zero. So I'd think 0^0 would be undefined. Anything to the 0th power equals itself over itself, which results in 1 in seemingly every case except for 0.

HeyNK · 2018-09-28 22:23:44

Who cares what you think, Azurepudding? It's been proven that 0^0 is indeterminate, your opinion doesn't matter.

There's nothing special about assuming something false and arriving at a contradiction. It's called the principle of explosion, look it up.

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2018-09-28 23:49:39

n-> 0 = m
m^m -> 1
Again, an invalid value is no use. The math geeks are too strict.

azurepudding · 2018-09-28 23:55:52

HeyNK wrote:

Who cares what you think, Azurepudding? It's been proven that 0^0 is indeterminate, your opinion doesn't matter.
There's nothing special about assuming something false and arriving at a contradiction. It's called the principle of explosion, look it up.

did you even read my post? lol

ILikeTofuuJoe

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2018-09-28 23:58:24

azurepudding wrote:

HeyNK wrote:
Who cares what you think, Azurepudding? It's been proven that 0^0 is indeterminate, your opinion doesn't matter.
There's nothing special about assuming something false and arriving at a contradiction. It's called the principle of explosion, look it up.
did you even read my post? lol

The answer is no.

azurepudding

HeyNK · 2018-09-29 01:33:25

azurepudding wrote:

HeyNK wrote:
Who cares what you think, Azurepudding? It's been proven that 0^0 is indeterminate, your opinion doesn't matter.
There's nothing special about assuming something false and arriving at a contradiction. It's called the principle of explosion, look it up.
did you even read my post? lol

Uh, am I obligated to read your posts or something now? What, are you telling me all these words are math? No, sweetie, math is done in EQUATIONS. Don't pretend to be such a mathamatician, next time you post on MY childrens smiley game forum.

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2018-09-29 01:45:55

Mathmeticans say 0/0 is invalid only because they don't want to violate that /0 is invalid. Proof 0/0 = 0:
0^2/0^1 = 0^1 = 0.

Freckleface · 2018-09-29 01:57:29

Agreed

HeyNK · 2018-09-29 01:58:05

the "high school algebra" starter pack

https://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/fa … t1eq2.html
https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffile … .1-8.shtml
this thread

LukeM · 2018-09-29 01:59:14

ILikeTofuuJoe wrote:

Mathmeticans say 0/0 is invalid only because they don't want to violate that /0 is invalid. Proof 0/0 = 0:
0^2/0^1 = 0^1 = 0.

They aren't just doing it for the sake of it, 0/0 physically has to be undefined or the whole of maths doesn't work
I'm not so sure about 0^0, I haven't been able to find any concrete evidence for why it can't be 1 and a lot of people do seem to say they think it should be, but 0/0 definitely has to be undefined

azurepudding · 2018-09-29 02:02:13

HeyNK wrote:

azurepudding wrote:
HeyNK wrote:
Who cares what you think, Azurepudding? It's been proven that 0^0 is indeterminate, your opinion doesn't matter.
There's nothing special about assuming something false and arriving at a contradiction. It's called the principle of explosion, look it up.
did you even read my post? lol
Uh, am I obligated to read your posts or something now? What, are you telling me all these words are math? No, sweetie, math is done in EQUATIONS. Don't pretend to be such a mathamatician, next time you post on MY childrens smiley game forum.

to prove 0^0 != 1

3^0 = 3/3 = 1
2^0 = 2/2 = 1
1^0 = 1/1 = 1
0^0 = 0/0...

undefined

simple bruh

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2018-09-29 02:02:36

Squaare root of -1 used to break math. ^

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