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#1 2018-03-21 21:18:00

Luka504
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Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

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So pretty much, a guy named Jakub123 did some lobby spamming and confessed to xenonetix that he is doing it so he can be perma-banned on EE.
And xenonetix kinda tried to pry him for information about how guest spamming works so he could prevent it in the future, but Jakub won't tell him anything.
And then xenonetix does the most logical thing and tells all other staff members to not ban Jakub, because he wants to be banned.
So Jakub, a Lobby spammer, got ban immunity just by asking to be banned.
And since he's ban-immune, he went on to harass others since he couldn't be banned. Xeno allowed a rule-breaker to break more rules.
What a day and age we live in.


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#2 2018-03-21 21:25:56, last edited by mutantdevle (2018-03-21 21:37:41)

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Bad Xenonetix, you naughty little lamb!

Seriously though, why is this a big deal?


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#3 2018-03-21 21:32:22

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

If I rob a bank and the police catch me doing it, but say that I "wanted to get arrested", does that mean laws don't apply to me anymore?


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#4 2018-03-21 21:36:47

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

XENONETIX doesn't know if jakub123 really did the lobby spamming. He can claim he did it, but there's no hard concrete proof that he did it, unless the staff look into his IP and the IP that made the rooms. For all XENONETIX knows, jakub123 could've just claimed he did it, and the ask to be perma banned, and start a drama topic on the forums about how he was false banned and the staff are bad at doing their job. XENONETIX might've been afk in the world while jakub123 was harassing others, or it might've not been interpreted as harassing in the first place, and as a friends-chop-buster thing. You really need more information on the subject before you can do a permanent ban on this stuff.

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#5 2018-03-21 21:41:16

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

I'm guessing there is a good reason for it, whether it is what ninjasupeatsninja says, or maybe a way to try to find out how the lobby spam is done (the only way they could prove it was them doing it is by telling Xenonetix how it works)

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#6 2018-03-21 21:57:07, last edited by Luka504 (2018-03-21 21:59:11)

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

ninjasupeatsninja wrote:

XENONETIX doesn't know if jakub123 really did the lobby spamming. He can claim he did it, but there's no hard concrete proof that he did it, unless the staff look into his IP and the IP that made the rooms. For all XENONETIX knows, jakub123 could've just claimed he did it, and the ask to be perma banned, and start a drama topic on the forums about how he was false banned and the staff are bad at doing their job. XENONETIX might've been afk in the world while jakub123 was harassing others, or it might've not been interpreted as harassing in the first place, and as a friends-chop-buster thing. You really need more information on the subject before you can do a permanent ban on this stuff.

Actually, no. Jakub posted pictures of him lobby spamming and talked a lot about how world spamming was killing his computer. I don't have the pictures with me, however he did post them in the world we were in.
Also xenonetix really talked to Jakub in such a way where he was sure that Jakub was lobby spamming, up to the point where he was willing to negotiate with him to gain information about how lobby spamming works.


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#7 2018-03-21 22:25:48, last edited by Emma333 (2018-03-22 17:23:54)

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Jakub told me he’s banned for a month now? Idk how mich times between that conversation and the ban, but he is banned now.

Edit: apparently he isnt banned


Pm me with anything math related please

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#8 2018-03-21 23:05:17

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Emma333 wrote:

Jakub told me he’s banned for a month now? Idk how mich times between that conversation and the ban, but he is banned now.

Awesome a user is banned this will clearly stop lobby spamming.

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#9 2018-03-21 23:22:43, last edited by SirJosh3917 (2018-03-21 23:23:54)

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

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#10 2018-03-21 23:38:24

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Spam should be punishable. That's common sense. Why do you think chat has anti-spam? Because it disrupts players, it disrupts enjoyment and comfort (and security) of the game.

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#11 2018-03-22 00:48:40

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Why tf is lobby spamming hard to stop?


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#12 2018-03-22 01:05:21

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Tomahawk wrote:

Why tf is lobby spamming hard to stop?

Well, there's a few reasons why. I've gone into detail in a separate topic so I'll keep this short.

It's slightly more difficult to approach a simple solution because Player.IO has distributed servers and doesn't offer any simplistic interface for messaging between them - you are stuck with using BigDB.
You have to implement your own architecture for handling the lobby, so that you can effectively ensure that there are single or limited instances of worlds created per user, or at least a per-IP restriction on the room creation rates.

I've offered a working solution, and while it isn't an incredibly straightforward approach, it's a functional one. I've had Mega Lamb acknowledge it, as well as Showpath. It's entirely up to them to implement it or a derivative thereof.


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#13 2018-03-22 13:48:02

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

A short-term solution would be to simply cap the number of worlds to something like 300.

We don’t get anywhere near that atm, so it should put a stop to the lag caused by thousands of worlds, without affecting players.


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#14 2018-03-22 15:24:53

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

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#15 2018-03-22 15:25:51

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Tomahawk wrote:

A short-term solution would be to simply cap the number of worlds to something like 300.

We don’t get anywhere near that atm, so it should put a stop to the lag caused by thousands of worlds, without affecting players.

An issue with this is that should someone attempt to lobby spam, they would be stopped at a certain point, however since New worlds can't enter the lobby, other users wouldn't be able to enter their worlds


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#16 2018-03-22 15:57:06, last edited by Luka504 (2018-03-22 15:57:33)

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Emma333 wrote:

Jakub told me he’s banned for a month now? Idk how mich times between that conversation and the ban, but he is banned now.

Lol no he isn't. He's playing EE as I'm typing this.


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#17 2018-03-22 16:02:09

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

I don't think this should be an argument, and I'd also consider this to be something in debates. Jakub123 Is looking for attention, and that should be the most obvious thing here. Why would anyone have any legitimate reason to spam the lobby for that reason, and why would they not contribute to to the safety of the game. That is what he is doing, trying to ruin the game for others, and to lessen the environment. Did you ever consider it weird that people would want to get banned, I sure as heck thought it was weird. Jakub123 could have simply left, or requested his account be deleted. Although he didn't, the thought process was to go out with a bang one might say. O' something done quite often, is it not? We see this in day to day life, mass shootings, suicides, and many more things. It's virtually a trend at this point, and instead of being extreme he chose to just torch a flash game. How very petty, Ban him, and ban guests, and remove open worlds as a function, and finally remove the ability for a profile to have multiple worlds open. This won't exactly fix the issue, but should help. I hope my regards aren't for nothing!

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#18 2018-03-22 16:10:36

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

The problem isn't Jakub, it's the fact that such things are allowed to exist.

Jakub might just be senselessly spamming but imagine more malicious users doing far worse

#19 2018-03-22 16:28:07

Guest.
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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

hi can we just like ban him and stop whining
thanks

#20 2018-03-22 17:38:01

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Jet wrote:

hi can we just like ban him and stop whining
thanks

According to Emma333 he's already banned so I don't know why they whine at all.

#21 2018-03-22 17:38:40

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

i have BAN IMMUNITY! YOU CANT BAN ME!


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#22 2018-03-22 17:44:28

Luka504
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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

AnatolyEE wrote:
Jet wrote:

hi can we just like ban him and stop whining
thanks

According to Emma333 he's already banned so I don't know why they whine at all.

Except that he isn't banned.
I saw him playing EE just fine.


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#23 2018-03-22 17:53:34

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

I've got magix coin: http://prntscr.com/iuwuie. I think it's a reward from spamming worlds and making ee famous again!!
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#24 2018-03-22 18:17:41

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

Abelysk wrote:

Spam should be punishable. That's common sense. Why do you think chat has anti-spam? Because it disrupts players, it disrupts enjoyment and comfort (and security) of the game.

exactly

AnatolyEE wrote:
Jet wrote:

hi can we just like ban him and stop whining
thanks

According to Emma333 he's already banned so I don't know why they whine at all.

wtf? do you easily believe in someone that you don't know and saw them in ee everyday? whining? I don't see who are whining right here. They are just talking about what's the right thing to do and lobby spam

IanJanes wrote:

Jakub123 Is looking for attention, and that should be the most obvious thing here.

everyone is looking for attention not only jakub321 but "everyone". That's what internet is about, everyday

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#25 2018-03-22 18:58:58

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Re: Giving Lobby spammers ban-immunity.

he probably refused to tell ml how he did it because he actually doesnt know and had help from his friend or something

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