Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

mutantdevle · 2017-08-31 20:02:18

Thanks for playing!

The winners are:

Processor as a Joker-Jester.
Hummerz5 as a Sniper.
Gosha as a Suicide Bomber.
Music Man as a Car Theif.

Role document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18AJ … sp=sharing

Mafia Night Chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/5Na9QUQGnix

Dead Chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/xLNdqtVn3Reh

Onjit

hummerz5 · 2017-09-01 12:54:57

so I don't want to break the traveling rules here uhm... if more than one hour has passed can I assume I walked?

also I claim jkdrip's role what now

hummerz5 · 2017-09-01 14:54:26

^we've been through this before

we benefit from (blindly trusting) a person using an RNG and then debating the morality of such blind following. I mean 72 hours but idk

Onjit

hummerz5 · 2017-09-01 19:45:56

diff, at least when mrjawapa did it he took a gif...

devlin happy 1k posts

still not fond of the no-lynch. maybe waiting is good though, in case proc wants to pretend to be executioner

hummerz5 · 2017-09-02 21:48:27

Abelysk wrote:

it's better for tis to find stuff at night than random lynching.

right, but at the moment no one can know anything. If someone came forward and roleclaimed sheriff or something, that'd be useless because they can't know anything. It's also not wise to claim on the second or third day unless the town makes progress gradually. So in reality we have nothing to go on D1. A good choice D1 must be random. D2 is when we aren't going at random, but at the whims of the social abilities of town PRs and mafiosos. See the distinction?

Evilbunny wrote:

but then we would have people role claiming on the second day, which is not usually good. Most roles will wait longer than that to claim so we probably won't have any info tomorrow.

essentially what I said above, so cool

jkdrip wrote:

Abelysk voted NoLynch
Maf wants somebody lynched

you're turning the issue back around. If the argument is generally tough to determine either way, then it's hard to write someone off for taking the unpopular opinion. (imo). Again, if it comes down to argument that no one fully understands, then you can't generalize the decision like that. I'm not a fan of abelysk either but let's be clear if we're voting them for their opinions on the matter or our inability to compromise on the matter. While both can be used in this setting, (after all, we can't expect perfect logic in this game) I feel that the latter is a more justifiable lynch reason than the former.

maxi123 wrote:

as for a new player, that's a rather confident

in all fairness a new user wouldn't know how confident they should be, right? if we find bandwagon-following to be suspicious then we ought to give some leeway to the opposite end of the spectrum: obstinately ignoring conventional wisdom...

to all: we're kinda sluggish but I guess this is D1. I deleted Oray's two posts so I meddled with the record in that regard.\

hummerz5 · 2017-09-02 21:51:41

jkdrip wrote:

No lynch is not a free kill for maf.

well one limited view on the situation is this:

effectiveness of mafia kill: 1 (they have knowledge)
effectiveness of random lynch: (mafia count / total players) (guaranteed less than one)
effectiveness of "reasoned" lynch: (something less than one depending on how vocal everyone is)

so by that logic we'll always be chasing after the mafia. it's not a free kill for them, but it's a wasted chance (however sizeable) for us

hummerz5 · 2017-09-03 18:18:25

Music Man wrote:

Abelysk isn't being particularly helpful by advocating for a nolynch, but that doesn't seem like scum to me, just inexperience.

well do you expect to see scum tells this early? Consider this another way: everyone appears equally scummish or not. How then do you pick? Well, consider whatever actions they need to take as a town player.

We like people to post and we like people to vote. That's why we get into these debates about going after the quiet people or going after the useless people. If someone suggests they won't be fulfilling their role like this then well

hummerz5 · 2017-09-03 22:35:10

those 72 hours went by really quickly.

so gosha and proc haven't posted. anyone else I miss? The rationale for going after abelysk seems to generally be "what utility is a person who won't vote" but I want to remind everyone that this controversial crusade also applies to people who don't even post.

so the day ends in like 12 hours but I'll be sleeping for (ideally) eight of those. If nothing else, I'll add a vote for abelysk so I'm not a hypocrite: lynch d1 is better than not. I hope this isn't like a lure though. If he's trying to subtly say he's something important, for example.

!vote abelysk

hummerz5 · 2017-09-04 01:55:18

OK well I guess there's good reason to not lynch abelysk but I'll be surprised if we get enough support for anything else at this stage of the day

jkdrip wrote:

I know I'm defending him a bit much but I don't believe this is a role maf would claim, since it's not that useful. I'll keep on nolynch.

defending him or not, you're not thinking about this in the right light. the question about a roleclaim isn't whether or not it's valuable. The question is if it's verifiable.

In terms of the bus, I imagine your argument can split between day and night bus travel. The night is when one can confirm PRs; a non-PR would not be traveling at night. The packet said "In most cases players will only be able to choose between a car and walking." -- so this won't be some OP resolving tool for either group.

the long and short is this: bus travel could give semi-useful information if gathered at night. Problem is, to claim its usefulness you also have to claim being a PR with a bus pass. Keep this in mind before sharing.

!unvote

hummerz5 · 2017-09-05 14:07:37

sorry guys I thought abelysk was pretty on the level...

both folks had day abilities but idk if they'd've been useful d1

so looking back I think mrjawapa was pretty much posting nonsense and following the tide. Does anyone think it possible he used the day investigations to some extent on abelysk? otherwise he might've just been going along

different's posts only ever seem to explicitly mention maxi123 but it looks like the witch didn't kill him, so it feels like that's too transparent... I do want to keep in mind that maxi could be magic.

looks like the witch is not on friendly terms.

hummerz5 · 2017-09-05 14:09:49

^ keep in mind, I already pointed out that claiming to see someone at night is also claiming to have a PR so do at your own risk

I guess the day bus just claims having a bus pass which isn't really a big thing

hummerz5 · 2017-09-05 14:19:14

jkdrip wrote:

Also what killed Jawa?
Iirc there's a curse that kills you after x days. Maybe he got unlucky and got a 0, if that's possible

doesn't look that way. could roll a minimum of 1 for days, so would he die before going through a day?

it says some players might start with curses... so perhaps Conjoined was given to Diff and MrJawapa? also a stretch

hummerz5 · 2017-09-05 14:27:23

maybe mafia has a janitor that cleaned the body, or mrjawapa was actually King Ghost. But then if that were the case would Devlin give him the role of investigator?

jkdrip wrote:

Explain, Marten. Don't just randomly accuse.

...unless the entire explanation is dangerous... drip you're kinda skipping over the whole "be careful" side of things.

we do have an apparently dead apparent investigator who voted at abelysk so that's a thing

hummerz5 · 2017-09-05 16:58:09

Slabdrill wrote:

Also, there is a car thief (maf) role, but they dont return the car; so if onjit gets the car back, abelysk is prob legit.

well in the interest of being pedantic... if the car stays gone then whoever did it was a car thief. As such, if onjit's car is gone then abelysk was lying. As it stands we don't know if onjit's car ever left so we really can't confirm it. I mean yes I lean in favor of abelysk but I condemn anyone who claims it as sound logic.

jkdrip wrote:

!vote MartenM

ok Mr. I-need-people-to-not-accuse, why?

tbh I don't want to take a car when the benefits are nil and the risk of dying is nonzero. If banking on others to use similar logic, then claiming to take someone's car is pretty damn clean.

hummerz5 · 2017-09-05 22:49:17

Slabdrill wrote:

I said that before i knew onjit wasnt notified of the theft

apologies

jkdrip wrote:

Oh I get it it's a role claim

idk who to believe. I mean what good is one joy rider, much less two (in this setup)? and why claim if there's no pressure? feels like someone's lying there (or martenm wasn't actually claiming anything)

say we did have a ghost... is there anything that can be done about them?

hummerz5 · 2017-09-06 03:06:06

yeah I think king ghost would benefit from picking people who are actually active. So it's more than likely we'd have someone willing to come forward and say "hey the king ghost does exist be careful" because otherwise they're not helping their alignment

I still want to get martenm the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we misinterpret his statement.

but I reiterate my point: doubtful that we'd have multiple joy riders. That said, while I don't put a whole lot of stock into abelysk's claims, I do admit that there's more going for them than the counter claim sans pressure

and ffs processor say something

hummerz5 · 2017-09-06 04:53:27

reads

1. Onjit - voted abelysk (Which could be valid but is still bandwagon), is willing to work with group though (car test on abelysk). probably reliable
2. jkdrip - a bit misguided (nolynch isn't a valid d1 strategy grr), but attempts to reason so I can't write them off
3. Gosha - absolutely nothing except showing up to ride a wagon. BUT, they have been banned for a good portion of the game.
4. maxi123 HeyNK - leaning town. The long and short is diff only ever accused maxi and died. That's too obvious to act on right?
6. MartenM - hard to understand. If truly claiming second joy rider then suspicious
8. Slabdrill - I don't want to meta. Uh, again I can appreciate people reasoning things and they're doing that. Also a crowd-follower but in this instance I feel compelled to point out that by definition more often than not people in a crowd must follow it or it isn't a crowd.
10. Music Man - I'd like to see more posts, kinda like to a lesser extent onjit, EB, and maxi, but life happens I get that... just not to proc's extent. also furthers discussion
11. Evilbunny - again, quiet... but reasoned
12. Abelysk - likely story but more below
13. Processor - suspicious; more below

So, in regards to proc. If he's not swapped out for not playing we should seriously consider lynching them. They're 100% dead weight. This isn't regular quietness, this just plain bothers me. By definition we can't read him and he doesn't vote.

But the more obvious issue is the apparent duplicity of claims with Abelysk and MartenM. I urge you all to consider not pushing this issue so soon. We have time. I understand that once details are apparent we don't want them to cool off in our minds. However, MartenM should at least get the chance to say "oh that's not what I meant" before we check their claims

I keep saying people are reasoned and that's probably annoying. I'm not good at reads, but I think more substance can help y'all that do.

so I guess my top mafia guesses... sounds like three is a good number?

processor (pls post more), martenm, gosha (pls post more), honorable mention abelysk (mrjawapa could've used his five investigates)... (if I meta, slabdrill, but that's essentially random finger-pointing)

disclaimer: if my reads are shallow (why pick on the low-post guys? that's not always valid, true) it is late and I'm impatient; that's what you get for trying

hummerz5 · 2017-09-06 13:24:50

MartenM wrote:

hummerz5 wrote:
hard to understand. If truly claiming second joy rider then suspicious
Yes I do claim the role, then again, could 2 joy riders be possible?

OK so if you were claiming, weren't you doing so based on the idea that there wouldn't be more than one? It sounds like you presented town with an issue but now want to have it go away since it isn't in your favor.

So could there be? I haven't seen a rule that prevents duplicate roles but this seems suspect

I mean nothing inherently scummy about that but that's not really a convincing defense either. If I understand correctly, we're still left with two joy riders and the idea that there should be one. Honestly to me this is starting to sound like a legit counterclaim. I mean our detective suspected Abelysk and now someone's essentially saying they're lying (but then backtracking because they don't want to be the losing end of the dispute).

tl;dr: I still think we're looking at MartenM/Abelysk but I'm kinda siding with MartenM on this one

hummerz5 · 2017-09-06 14:54:38

jkdrip wrote:

What caused his death?

I mean if Diff happened to be Conjoined with Jawapa that'd do it. I don't think it could be Guilt because mrjawapa didn't really do much. Could technically be a curse given from the start that was duration 1D, but I don't think Devlin would set us up with a guaranteed fried detective and mrjawapa would be wise enough to go "hey, I'm going to die tonight so here are the results of my five investigations"... looking through the document for "cause" I don't see any role (pseudocider, janitor, etc) that would give us no cause of death but still give a role.

but the whole king ghost thing: no one's come forward claiming to have been contacted

also idk if I mentioned yet but the last like 20 hours of the day I'll be unavailable IRL sort of thing so I'll be panicking a bit earlier compared to the rest of y'all.

hummerz5 · 2017-09-06 19:31:28

HeyNK wrote:

Abelysk: no matter what he flips, borrow onjit's car tonight.
Onjit: report back on your car's status.

if you want to check between car thief and joy rider, Abelysk should not steal onjit's car. Two joy rides will effectually equate one carjacking, giving us technically nothing until D3, prolonging this dispute

jkdrip wrote:

And it's kind of loose, but I'll at least say it makes Marten and humz seem sus.

just be clear, I'm not refusing to lynch either individual. I'm not sure we need to waste all the time we have.

Abelysk wrote:

If Marten was actually another joy rider he should've kept quiet and just hopped on the bandwagon to stall getting attention.

not if he figured you were false-claiming and had good cause to call you out...

hummerz5 · 2017-09-08 04:24:33

Sorry, I don't have wifi here for a good time
I have walked every day. Obviously it's risky not just from Mafia but breaking down.
Whoever said I didn't walk is lying.

Why did we all reverse on the martenm abelysk thing? It seems reasonable to me that martenm called out abelysk and our dead detective was against him.

!vote abelysk

I'll be back at like 5 am but sleep deprived bye

hummerz5 · 2017-09-08 14:52:22

oh hey I'm getting fed up with this game but that's more my sleep than anything

so I want to reiterate that I've only ever walked. However anything goes down, you should keep that in mind.

also if anyone's really excited about a investigative result, keep in mind that Slabdrill existed. given that no one said anything weird, there were probably two swaps. Which explains jkdrip's incorrect beliefs... and no, I'm not car thief.

It's not in my/town's best interest to claim unless you're really trying to push me out. Really I guess I'm more of a neutral player at this point since my alignment doesn't stay constant

idk what to make of proc sorry. when I think we're all reasonable about things we end up doing a 180 and abandoning the logic we had applied on the previous day

hummerz5 · 2017-09-09 21:41:24

OK, I'll be to the point. I don't know much.

First, please don't lynch me because jkdrip says I drove d1. If you look, my second or third post is "hey, since an hour has passed, does this count as walking?" -- and devlin replied that no transportation had been in effect. How, then, can jkdrip say that I drove? I reiterate the points he says that I wouldn't have considered. The transportation is dangerous and unreliable. Why would I bother with that when I can just wait an hour? I'm not saying he's mafia but I am saying he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Second, I don't know what to do so I offer this proposal.
remember that curse that mrjawapa/diff had? I've been blessed with 2 day betrayal. I really hope this isn't gamethrowing but at the same time I technically lose if I'm lynched or rulebreaking. today/tonight I am mafia-aligned vigilante. I haven't shot anyone because I hoped it would make things easier when I try to persuade either side to not kill me (like now). So A, I propose I don't kill anyone (promise)

A) slightly helps town: assuming there are two other mafiosos, we can end the game a day earlier because by the end of the day tomorrow I'll be town-aligned and (if necessary) capable of doing a town-oriented vig kill
B) really helps me: I meet my win condition

worst case scenario: I'm lying and we drag this out another day. best case scenario: I win and the game is shorter.

hummerz5 · 2017-09-09 22:02:47

"Vigilante"

hummerz5 wrote:

2 day betrayal

so town town, maf maf, town town etc

hummerz5 · 2017-09-10 01:50:35

I'm still not a fan of abelysk and the two joy-rider situation. But, like you said, we need relatively strong group consensus and I don't feel strongly enough about abelysk to fight that battle

though at the same time I think gosha's more suspicious than music man. eh.

glad that car debate was solved though. I genuinely could not understand how attacking me with such a tangential falsehood would advance any agendas...

hey in case someone's really not liking me, consider a night role-block (if that's a thing) before reigniting the lynch humz bandwagon. if you lynch me tomorrow I think I die as town so I still win :3

anywho, !vote music man

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