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#1 2017-04-26 22:41:27

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Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Is this intended?


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#2 2017-04-30 21:41:07

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

if you were here for more than 5 months you'd know that is intended

#3 2017-04-30 22:25:36

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

they should though
i mean irl clouds do create shadows


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#4 2017-05-01 03:01:24

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

maxi123 wrote:

they should though
i mean irl clouds do create shadows

NO that is scientifically  inaccurate! You see, water droplets are made of clouds, and it is a known FACT that water does not create a shadow! Because of hydrogen bonds! You see, if all clouds created shadows, then our world would be in eternal darkness, and candles wont work


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#5 2017-05-01 08:34:24, last edited by LukeM (2017-05-01 08:36:47)

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Pingohits wrote:
maxi123 wrote:

they should though
i mean irl clouds do create shadows

NO that is scientifically  inaccurate! You see, water droplets are made of clouds, and it is a known FACT that water does not create a shadow! Because of hydrogen bonds! You see, if all clouds created shadows, then our world would be in eternal darkness, and candles wont work

Ok... Where to start...
Firstly clouds are made of water droplets, not the other way round
Secondly, clouds don't absorb (much) light, but instead scatter it randomly, which means that a lot of the light which was previously going downwards ends up being scattered upwards, therefore less passes straight through, creating a shadow
This effect can also (sort of) be seen in a glass of water lit from the side, where although most of the light passes through, some of it is focused on a small area, meaning the rest is in shadow
Thirdly, I don't study chemistry, so I'm not sure if the bond bit is correct
Lastly why do you think it goes dark when a cloud passes in front of the sun? Because it has a shadow. I think the eternal darkness thing would be correct if all water vapour blocked sunlight completely, but not if it is as I stated above.

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#6 2017-05-01 08:35:52

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

That's so fake pingohits  else then there would be no shadows except under objects so no it isn't intended or it would of been in the game already

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#7 2017-05-01 11:01:00

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Well clearly if clouds scatter light then the cloud block should do the same? It needs a slight shadow under it but not a full shadow. Whilst that is being added, can we also make the plants photosynthesise? It's like people want EE's atmosphere to be polluted by carbon dioxide generated from the toxic community... <3


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#8 2017-05-01 11:29:32

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Pingohits wrote:
maxi123 wrote:

they should though
i mean irl clouds do create shadows

NO that is scientifically  inaccurate! You see, water droplets are made of clouds, and it is a known FACT that water does not create a shadow! Because of hydrogen bonds! You see, if all clouds created shadows, then our world would be in eternal darkness, and candles wont work

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TL;DR: I took pingo's post seriously and now im gonna prove him wrong with science

soniiiety wrote:

That's so fake pingohits  else then there would be no shadows except under objects so no it isn't intended or it would of been in the game already

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#9 2017-05-01 12:20:31

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

maxi123 wrote:
Pingohits wrote
destroyer123 wrote
soniiiety wrote

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A lot of people seem to have random misconceptions about some sciency things, and clouds not having shadows isnt that unlikely, compared to some other ones
I was thinking while I wrote the post 'Was that a joke?' but thought that it seemed so sort of close to the truth that it probably wasnt

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#10 2017-05-01 12:59:40

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Clouds are behind everything else, off in the distance; colliding with it is a matter of mechanics.


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#11 2017-05-01 21:38:51

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

The lighting in this game comes from the "front" (as in, away from the background), up near the top-left corner. If clouds are solid like any other block, it would make sense for it to have shadows as it blocks out this light.


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#12 2017-05-01 23:47:43

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Why are you guys flagging me what did I do? I wasn't trying to be mean

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#13 2017-06-11 00:48:00

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Koya wrote:

Clouds are behind everything else, off in the distance; colliding with it is a matter of mechanics.

This answer still bugs me. From what I understand, there's always a wall (the background) right behind the smiley. The lack of depth doesn't allow for anything "behind" the background. Also, the Fairytale cloud doesn't cast any shadows.


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#14 2017-06-11 02:11:47

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

It's so the shadow from the cloud block doesn't go over the cloud decorations that would normally be placed under it. It looked terrible before they removed it.


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#15 2017-06-11 02:23:11

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Evilbunny wrote:

It's so the shadow from the cloud block doesn't go over the cloud decorations that would normally be placed under it. It looked terrible before they removed it.

Ah, I didn't know about that. I'm not sure how hard this is to do, but a solution to the problem would be to give the cloud decorations the shadows, and make the cloud block only have a shadow when there isn't a decoration below it.


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#16 2017-06-11 02:42:52

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

N1KF wrote:
Evilbunny wrote:

It's so the shadow from the cloud block doesn't go over the cloud decorations that would normally be placed under it. It looked terrible before they removed it.

Ah, I didn't know about that. I'm not sure how hard this is to do, but a solution to the problem would be to give the cloud decorations the shadows, and make the cloud block only have a shadow when there isn't a decoration below it.

yeah well the devs arent miracle workers

#17 2017-06-11 04:12:35

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

Ernesdo wrote:
N1KF wrote:
Evilbunny wrote:

It's so the shadow from the cloud block doesn't go over the cloud decorations that would normally be placed under it. It looked terrible before they removed it.

Ah, I didn't know about that. I'm not sure how hard this is to do, but a solution to the problem would be to give the cloud decorations the shadows, and make the cloud block only have a shadow when there isn't a decoration below it.

yeah well the devs arent miracle workers

Well, they could still take a month or two out of UnitEE's development to give us clouds with shadows!


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#18 2017-06-11 09:35:55, last edited by LukeM (2017-06-11 09:38:14)

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

If you had the 'sky' as a BG, wouldn't it not make sense for clouds to cast shadows on the sky? I can't think of any situation (other than using cloud blocks as something other than clouds) where it would make more sense to have clouds with shadows...

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#19 2017-06-11 12:22:30

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

N1KF wrote:
Evilbunny wrote:

It's so the shadow from the cloud block doesn't go over the cloud decorations that would normally be placed under it. It looked terrible before they removed it.

Ah, I didn't know about that. I'm not sure how hard this is to do, but a solution to the problem would be to give the cloud decorations the shadows, and make the cloud block only have a shadow when there isn't a decoration below it.

Actually it is like that with other blocks, but not with clouds (idk why) jbhBvm9.png

He gave you some disinformation, I think clouds before had shadow like any other block and it looked nice. I mean, they aren't actual clouds, they are just blocks that look like clouds, right?


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#20 2017-06-11 22:09:23

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

destroyer123 wrote:

If you had the 'sky' as a BG, wouldn't it not make sense for clouds to cast shadows on the sky? I can't think of any situation (other than using cloud blocks as something other than clouds) where it would make more sense to have clouds with shadows...

Having a "sky" background comes with some issues. How does the game tell the difference between a wall and the sky? It can't, unless there's some way to remove a block's shadows (which makes things more complex than they need to be). The game has always functionally acted as if there's a wall right behind the smiley, and I think it's most convenient to keep it that way.


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#21 2017-06-11 22:50:27

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Re: Cloud Blocks don't create shadow

N1KF wrote:
destroyer123 wrote:

Having a "sky" background comes with some issues. How does the game tell the difference between a wall and the sky? It can't, unless there's some way to remove a block's shadows (which makes things more complex than they need to be). The game has always functionally acted as if there's a wall right behind the smiley, and I think it's most convenient to keep it that way.

I just meant that usually you want whatever is behind the cloud block to look like the sky (because thats where clouds are), so clouds shouldnt cast shadows on what is behind them, as they wouldnt cast shadows on the sky irl

I do see the argument for having every block act the same, but im just saying it makes sense for there to not be a shadow in this specific case

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