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#1 2016-08-06 10:58:07

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Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Most people will only vote about something they are passionate about. In this case, very few people are passionate about Zoey staying a mod. That doesn't mean these people dislike Zoey, in fact many of them probably prefer her to stay a mod. Others may not know about the work she's done and her long-standing history on the forums. But these people don't care that much, and thus will not vote either way.

However, the people who do want Zoey to be demodded are the passionate ones. They will vote without hesitation. They will rally up other members (like bimps has done and like Ninja is doing) and try to get as many people to vote to demod Zoey as possible.

The few people who are passionate about Zoey staying are the few that will vote to keep her, and they are heavily outnumbered (even though there are probably more people who either want Zoey to stay, or are content with her as a mod, altogether).

It would be more fair if the default option was to keep her, and you had to vote to demod her. That way it's voting to do something and taking an active stance to make change, because people are less inclined to vote for something to stay the same (remember Brexit?). Or, at least a 2/3 vote to make her leave instead of a simple majority.

If the forums worked like this, you could make a poll "Vote to ban or not ban Creature" and you would probably get like 3 votes to ban Creature by trolls and 0 votes to do otherwise because people will be like "that's stupid, what did he do wrong? why would i vote to ban him?" and they wouldn't take any action at all.

But, if the poll is to remain biased, I encourage everyone to vote to keep Zoey as a mod, even if there are convincing but baseless arguments out there for demodding her.

Zoey has done a lot of great work as a mod for years, you may not even notice what she does, but if you don't have a stance on the issue, vote to keep her, since it wouldn't change anything anyway, while not voting at all is throwing a vote to demod her.


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#2 2016-08-06 11:06:03

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

BuzzerBee wrote:

They will rally up other members (like bimps has done and like Ninja is doing) and try to get as many people to vote to demod Zoey as possible.

campaigning

zoey said herself she might quit anyways i don't know why you're going out of your way to argue the stupid **** she's done in order to keep her modded

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#3 2016-08-06 11:08:55

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:

They will rally up other members (like bimps has done and like Ninja is doing) and try to get as many people to vote to demod Zoey as possible.

campaigning

I mean yeah, I just used a synonym, I don't see what you are trying to point out here.

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i don't know why you're going out of your way to argue the stupid **** she's done in order to keep her modded

1) I don't think it's fair and
2) It's not going out of my way I don't really have a life anyway


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#4 2016-08-06 11:10:28

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

I mean I voted but I still think this is dumb that we're doing this because like 3 people won't stop complaining over I forget by now because most of this drama hardly even matters but ok sure WHATEVER


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#5 2016-08-06 11:10:51

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:

They will rally up other members (like bimps has done and like Ninja is doing) and try to get as many people to vote to demod Zoey as possible.

campaigning

I mean yeah, I just used a synonym, I don't see what you are trying to point out here.

mentioned because you seemed to try to make it sound like a bad thing

honestly i fail to see how this poll is biased in any way of course there's gonna be stupid trolls and people who don't care why does that matter just let em do whatever

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#6 2016-08-06 11:12:53

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:

They will rally up other members (like bimps has done and like Ninja is doing) and try to get as many people to vote to demod Zoey as possible.

campaigning

I mean yeah, I just used a synonym, I don't see what you are trying to point out here.

mentioned because you seemed to try to make it sound like a bad thing

It's not a bad thing my point was that the only campaigning that will exist is the campaign to demod her.

Ninja wrote:

honestly i fail to see how this poll is biased in any way of course there's gonna be stupid trolls and people who don't care why does that matter just let em do whatever

u sorta explained why it's biased


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#7 2016-08-06 11:16:31

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:

They will rally up other members (like bimps has done and like Ninja is doing) and try to get as many people to vote to demod Zoey as possible.

campaigning

I mean yeah, I just used a synonym, I don't see what you are trying to point out here.

mentioned because you seemed to try to make it sound like a bad thing

It's not a bad thing my point was that the only campaigning that will exist is the campaign to demod her.

why don't you do some goddamn campaigning then so this isn't a problem

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#8 2016-08-06 11:17:42

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:

campaigning

I mean yeah, I just used a synonym, I don't see what you are trying to point out here.

mentioned because you seemed to try to make it sound like a bad thing

It's not a bad thing my point was that the only campaigning that will exist is the campaign to demod her.

why don't you do some goddamn campaigning then so this isn't a problem

What do you think this topic is


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#9 2016-08-06 11:18:43

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:

I mean yeah, I just used a synonym, I don't see what you are trying to point out here.

mentioned because you seemed to try to make it sound like a bad thing

It's not a bad thing my point was that the only campaigning that will exist is the campaign to demod her.

why don't you do some goddamn campaigning then so this isn't a problem

What do you think this topic is

.................
wtf is wrong with you dude
"the only campaign that will exist is the campaign to demod her"
"this topic is a campaign to keep her modded"
??????????

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#10 2016-08-06 11:23:37

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:

mentioned because you seemed to try to make it sound like a bad thing

It's not a bad thing my point was that the only campaigning that will exist is the campaign to demod her.

why don't you do some goddamn campaigning then so this isn't a problem

What do you think this topic is

.................
wtf is wrong with you dude
"the only campaign that will exist is the campaign to demod her"
"this topic is a campaign to keep her modded"
??????????

Compared to the campaign to demod her, this topic is negligible.


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#11 2016-08-06 11:25:48

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Ninja wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:

It's not a bad thing my point was that the only campaigning that will exist is the campaign to demod her.

why don't you do some goddamn campaigning then so this isn't a problem

What do you think this topic is

.................
wtf is wrong with you dude
"the only campaign that will exist is the campaign to demod her"
"this topic is a campaign to keep her modded"
??????????

Compared to the campaign to demod her, this topic is negligible.

do something about it then

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#12 2016-08-06 11:33:09

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Ninja wrote:

only campaign that will exist is the campaign to demod her"
"this topic is a campaign to keep her modded"
??????????

What, are we not allowed to retaliate? Now that its a thing of course we're going to fight back even if the whole thing is kinda dumb


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#13 2016-08-06 11:34:36

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

While there are campaigners on the "no" side, those who are out of the loop and have no reason to say "no" will be on the "yes" side; I think there will be a number of them who decide to join in - more than those Ninja and Bimps have brought in.


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#14 2016-08-06 11:34:42

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Bobithan wrote:
Ninja wrote:

only campaign that will exist is the campaign to demod her"
"this topic is a campaign to keep her modded"
??????????

What, are we not allowed to retaliate? Now that its a thing of course we're going to fight back even if the whole thing is kinda dumb

no i was pointing out a logic flaw he said that there's only gonna be a demod campaign ever and then said that this topic was a keep her modded campaign which he said wouldn't exist ever i don't care if you fight back the entire point of the demod zoey topics was to spark discussion on why zoey should be demodded

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#15 2016-08-06 11:45:13

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Except there is no logical flaw because you have no understanding of nuance


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#16 2016-08-06 11:47:11

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Bobithan wrote:

Except there is no logical flaw because you have no understanding of nuance

not going to deny that because it's more or less true but you pulled the wrong meaning out of what i said mate

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#17 2016-08-06 12:55:28

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

> agrees that he doesn't understand nuance
> says his post was more nuanced than bobithan thought

what are you on about mate

quit trying to stir **** for the hell of it

it's real annoying


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#18 2016-08-06 12:57:24

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Onjit wrote:

> agrees that he doesn't understand nuance
> says his post was more nuanced than bobithan thought

what are you on about mate

quit trying to stir **** for the hell of it

it's real annoying

what else am i supposed to do when i'm bored
NOT stir **** for the hell of it?

besides reactions like this is why it's so fun to stir ****

also you should seriously stop going around in events like these whining about the drama and telling everyone to stop because that's more annoying than stirring **** to begin with. this'll be over on monday.

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#19 2016-08-06 13:38:57

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Ninja wrote:

what else am i supposed to do when i'm bored
NOT stir **** for the hell of it?

So you're just bored and that's why you're doing this whole thing? lol ok


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#20 2016-08-06 13:42:58

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

bimps would do it if i didn't and that was bad sarcasm

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#21 2016-08-06 14:09:55

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

Ninja wrote:

bimps would do it if i didn't and that was bad sarcasm

Then I would say the exact same thing. Internet sarcasm is bad sarcasm


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#22 2016-08-06 15:13:36

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

BuzzerBee wrote:

The few people who are passionate about Zoey staying are the few that will vote to keep her, and they are heavily outnumbered

they really

really

aren't outnumbered.


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#23 2016-08-06 16:26:06

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

So is the demod zoey outnumbered then?


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#24 2016-08-06 16:32:05

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

nobody's really outnumbered AFAICT. It's pretty well even. For a bit last night demod had a decent lead but since then it seems like things are neck and neck. Honestly not sure what I'm supposed to do with that.

What if I force users to vote in order to continue using the forums to drag in more votes? Is that too microsoft-y?


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#25 2016-08-06 20:18:50

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Re: Why the Zoey Poll is Biased

The announcement plus sticker everybody gets is fine enough, we shouldn't make people vote for something they care nothing about


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