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Undertale Mafia game thread

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Well it's probably a bastard game, so we're all citizens, right?

no

all jesters

Lynch me pls

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Does this time involves time travel?

Does this game involves game travel?

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Does this time involves time travel?

Does this game involves game travel?

Does this time involve game travel?

Does this travel involve game time?

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Btw what are your characters? Mine is Toriel and I am a Pacifist.

Also:

Right.
!vote AlphaJon

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Btw what are your characters? Mine is Toriel and I am a Pacifist

Smells like role fishing.
Delicious.

Wat? Characters are unrelated to roles.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

That would be too easy, if you could link character to role. And having a  character would be useless if you can't do anything with it except show it on death.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Alpha my rolecard with its ability does indeed describe what my character can do.
Meaning that if someone were to say their role, you can link possible abilities to that character.
MEANING the mafia will get a leg up.

Ok, if you can tell me what my role is, you win this argument.
But don't forget this:

Note that flavor will not allow you to solve the game. Making arguments about someone's alignment based on flavor won't work.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

So, what are your characters? Might as well put in some roleplay

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Fine. Would you like to start?

A few posts earlier:

Btw what are your characters? Mine is Toriel

Looked at the wiki, she seems nice, apart from the "I kinda want to keep you there" part of it

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Rhaz made himself the setup, and I'm sure he wouldn't make it that easy to guess roles from the characters. He says he's not a good player, but what I'm sure is that he's a good host in general.
Btw do we even know the Genocide count? My guess is 4, but I don't have the slightest idea.
So far, this is what I noticed:
Luka504 isn't making obvious scumslips so far like game 6. He learned his lesson, I suppose. I wouln't look much into his last sentence, I'm almost sure he's referring to game 6. But if you learn his way of speaking, you'll quickly notice he makes weird sentences all the time, add in some misunderstanding ("role fishing" to cite only one example) and he will look scummy no matter what. He got instalynched game 7, remember? He still gotta explain me his Chara thing, though.
The Creature-Calicara thing is a bit particular. I can't tell much from it.
Apart from Bobithan trying to kill the D1 fun, I don't consider his first post suspicious. Smitty interpreted it as a joke, and so am I.
That's it for now, most people didn't post yet
Smitty made a relecant post also

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Whoops my post had some out of place text I forgot to finish lel

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Also, Zumza, you're wrong about your role guesses.
What's with that Chara = Genocide hype? Roles aren't related -.-

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

!vote AlphaJon

You're coming out of nowhere just to make a vote. Please, it's as if you didn't do anything.

Start roleplaying and I quit.

Was a joke. I don't have the slightest idea about undertale. I'm feeding off the wiki

That said,
!vote marcoantonimsantos
^ Wake up, you didn't post anything yet, and I won't remove the vote until you post something meaningful.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

I'm on a mobile, so there will be no quote tags, because selecting text is a pain.
Now, for jawapa:
My point is that your first post could have been more than just "!vote".
Yes, my self-vote was obviously a joke one, if you look back at the contextI'm sure you'll understand it.
Also, my vote on marco is temporary, and I highly doubt he'll get lynched. Now, should he not post anything by the end of game day, I will keep my vote because inactive people don't help in anyway. Actually, inactives are counterproductive.
Àlso, the vote on me from Onjit is also a joke vote, or at least random.I'm almost sure of that.

Luka504: why are you saying that jawapa pacifist implies me scummy, or him scum imlies me pacifist? As far as I can tell, there is no link between us.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

Just by that sentence you turned Calicara and Luka into him which appears to look like a manipulation.

I didn't turn anyone into anyone. I don't control people's minds.

Very intrigued into finding characters. He said "that would be too easy, if you could link character to role" and ""characters are unrelated to roles" ". Thought I believe everyone of us has their role close to the characters ability / appearance / personality. Why wouldn't he know that?

I was just trying to actually play with the flavor, but I got it. Let's bury the whole Undertale part of it and just play a regular town/mafia game.

-- Onjit's post:

Bobithan
- instead of adding to the discussion, just talks about how much he wants discussion to take place

Kinda right, but he did post something relevant at one point.

Zumza
- tries to meta the characters
- says that his role makes him feel awkward
- finds alphajon's claim odd

The fact that he believes the characters are role-related, in addition to the second point, makes me believe he has a role he does not wish to become known.
I find the 3rd point odd, I just said my character name, and it doesn't mean anything.

Maxi123
- makes a few meaningless posts
- can't even joe peschi

I dunno

JaWapa
- makes one post to try to jump on an empty wagon
- has a real bad defense
- got bad vibes

I agree that his first post was out of place(I'd say the same if he voted anyone else). But I don't consider it necessarily as bad vibes. He could explain it better though.

Calicara
- posts make sense
- seems to be on point with her accusations
- getting a good feeling

Yes, yes, and dunno. She does seem to play the usual way, so I'm going on the positive side too.

Creature
- can u like not make multiple posts in a row it's really annoying
- salty af
- aggressively townish

Nothing to say here, you're on point. I'd still be careful at the last point, though. Processor was agressively townish last game too, it didn't prevent him from being mafia.

AlphaJon
- roleclaims early with a town role
- switches between saying characters are meaningless to saying that they are important

Sorry mate, but you're wrong on both points here.
I claimed a CHARACTER, not a ROLE. And you're not the only one to mix them up. I swear that I'd copypaste my character description without the role if I could.
I never said characters are important. They are here for the flavor, but apparently noone likes the flavor.
Hey Rhaz, what about removing the flavor?

Onjit
- critisises others for not posting much
- doesn't post much
- what a cool guy amirite

I really like the mix of the 1st and 2nd point
3rd makes me jealous

Luka504
- scrub a dub dub luka's a nub
- i think he's just trying to meta the characters (and what he said makes sense imo)
- his way of speaking is pretty agressive at times but i feel pretty confident
- good vibes

1st is right. 2nd too, even though I proved him metaing characters is useless. 3rd is just his wording which makes it seem so (@Luka504: Be careful if you use irony!).
4th I agree.

Also you forgot to include and in the scale

--

Some other stuff:

My guess is that character roles are indeed unrelated, but it happens that for some players, the role actually make sense to the characters, by randomness probably, which is why people like Zumza and Luka504 are meta-ing the characters.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

!vote AlphaJon

You're coming out of nowhere just to make a vote. Please, it's as if you didn't do anything.

Start roleplaying and I quit.

Was a joke. I don't have the slightest idea about undertale. I'm feeding off the wiki

That said,
!vote marcoantonimsantos
^ Wake up, you didn't post anything yet, and I won't remove the vote until you post something meaningful.

Hi

Sorry yesterday I've been really busy with school stuff and today I'll be busy with other stuff.

But here is a hi, I guess.
I need to read the whole game yet, brb.

Right, I forgot.
!unvote

Some general tips for everyone, especially those who didn't post much yet:
Read carefully. You don't want to have someone against you just because you misunderstood something
Reread every post you write before you post it. You don't want to have someone against you just because they misunderstood something
Try to single out relevant stuff. So you don't end up looking the not-so-relevant stuff when reading, and end up forgetting the useful things.
Don't be shy to express your opinions about everyone. Communication is key.
For everyone who has posted a minimum, try to look at the posts from both point of views. Some posts may look scummy, but if you actually look it from the scum side, they don't make sense anymore.
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This one Rhaz told me: Sometimes one-liners are more relevant than walls of text. As such, do not consider big posts as speaking some universal truth. Try to say everything you want to say, in a precise and consice way, as to get your point across more easily.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

As you comment I understand that you want me to answer it.

This is what you basically said in earlier posts:
"role ~= character" and "my character = awkward". I'm just pointing out that you yourself consider your role as awkward. That's all. I just don't know how to interpret that.

Like proving I am a coward.

No. I'm not going to force anyone here to reveal his/her role, unless required. So this isn't going to happen D1.

While you want to be the bravest and let us know theres nothing you fell threaten by at night.

Tbh unless someone protects me, I expect to die within the first 3 nights.

Now, this is just a wild guess, but considering the fact that everyone has a role, I believe a good part of us have "you can do that X times" roles. Because imagine if everyone had persistent roles. Sheriff+doctor combo coming back again?

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

This is what I meant, you claiming to be town.

Oh, that. Yeah, I said I'm Toriel, but in itself, it doesn't do much.
I mentioned the Pacifist thing because the term isn't included anywhere in Rhaz's post, only in role PMs, so I guessed mafia didn't have access to the term. I know well everyone here can claim town, obviously, so you shouldn't look much into it

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

I put everything in a spoiler for readability, because it's huuuge.

▼Hidden text

so I guessed mafia didn't have access to the term

I would reckon they got some flavor in their quicktopic or whatever saying "eliminate the pacifists" or something along those lines, honestly, but it's a nice try anyways. I still have you on a strong town lean if not just for your seemingly careless attitude in the game, and, more importantly, your assertion that the town roles are mostly limited in use. You could just be theorizing but I'll assume you're guessing that because you have an x use town role yourself.

JaWapa's random vote was weird and I still don't quite understand it, but I don't know if we're supposed to and it was just another conversation starter. I doubt as mafia he'd do something like that though, it just seems silly.

Zumza is really pushing hard against Alpha just for his interest in the game's flavor that has no bearing on the game's mechanics and is even explicitly stated to be useless. I wouldn't put it past Zumza to take advantage of a non-opportunity for a mislynch, but it might just be him being dense.

Luka's assertion on JaWapa and Alpha's relationship in the game is pretty baseless but as of now I think Luka is a slight town lean just from how he's acting.

Calicara isn't usually this active in scum hunting, especially on day 1. She does seem to be helping with discussion but this is a pretty big difference from how she usually plays as town.

so those are my thoughts. Everybody else I don't really have an opinion on either because nothing stuck out to me or they just haven't been posting.

This post nailed it for the most part, if you ask me.

Zumza is really pushing hard against Alpha just for his interest in the game's flavor that has no bearing on the game's mechanics and is even explicitly stated to be useless. I wouldn't put it past Zumza to take advantage of a non-opportunity for a mislynch, but it might just be him being dense.

I have mixed feelings about this sentence, though. I think this is a misunderstanding which causes him to think of me as a rolefisher. A good part of the players tend to think there is actually a link between character and role[I may be wrong, feel free to prove it].

alphajon has a very warm spot while jawapa is being attacked by the mob

Why are you saying that?

that smelly smell
i find posts like that an attempt to get town cred (or whatever you call it) and make the mob follow you

Tbh, Luka isn't in a position to be able to lead the town or have a mob follow him. He's more of a follower type (and so am I, you will rarely see me taking the lead in any kind of stuff).

They're similar to your mafia game 6 reads

His mafia 6 play was OBVIOUSLY scummy, it's almost as if he spelled it out. Here, this is not the case. I'm still keeping an eye on him, because he does have some out of place sentences.

Calicara has posted like two posts that sound like "hey lets not discuss like we did in mafia 7", this is not her usual play.

This is more of a "don't bring back arguments from game 7, this is a new game with new roles". I'm currently failing at reading her this game though, guess my opinion on her is neutral for now.

Bobithan's posts are more of a "hey lets discuss something", but he doesn't even bring something to discuss, unlike game 7, where he expressed his opinions.

He doesn't post much, but he did make a good post, and you should pay attention to it. But I'd like to hear more!

I have a deep personal fear of being wrong

No. Stop that. Saying your opinion, even if wrong, is a million times better than not saying anything. Look at the people here who are barely posting. I kinda sometimes want to modkill them, but I'm not the host

I lay out all possibilities for the smarter people to determine one way or the other.

Mafia doesn't work this way. And communication in general either. You can't expect "the smarter ones" to do the hard job for you.

I'll speak my mind, and doing so doesn't require me or anybody else to definitively say whether somebody is scum or town, which is what you're suggesting here.

Keep doing this, then

-- Other stuff --
SmittyW: I'd like your opinion about who you consider scummy and towny. You were the one that succesfully read through Processor's plan last game, so I guess you have your own opinion here too.
Creature: Why did you put Kaslai in the "townleans" category? He barely posted anything. I consider him to deserve the "Null" category. Also I don't know your reasons behind Evilbunny's "worried" choice, if you agree to explain, that's be great.
Zumza: I can understand why you are scumreading me, but I consider the reasons flawed. Do you have other scumleans? You only told about me, as far as I can tell.

I may make a TL;DR if requested

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

I am not scum reading you for guessing Chara is in the scum team, I am scum reading you for the way you interacted with the AlphaJon vs Jawapa.
Im not talking about the Chara incident, im talking about (jawapa being a paci = alpha being scum) being wrong. Yeah that is pretty dumb.

Well, make it more clear then. We can't guess what's in your mind. You're also kinda backtracking here.

And? Honestly you two seem pretty much on opposite sides. Still this doesnt seem that worthy to put her in scale 2 of ,,scumminess,,

I wouldn't put much thought into that. They are probably going to be against each other until the end game.

His attack on AlphaJon was pretty weak, but it's his vote, he based off something.
I noticed he justified it was to question AlphaJon, which is a valid reason

I thought this was intended for JaWapa, not you. I find it weird that you felt the need to defend yourself on this. (??)

Calm down then.
NEVAR

Yes you should. You're going to be lynched again if you stay aggressive. And it will be your fault.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

^ This doesn't make sense.

Though the part of jawapa geno = inno alpha  is still standing.

No. You can't make a link between him and me just because of a vote. I still encourage you to give SEPARATE reads, though.

- Both Jawapa and Alpha are genos.
Why would Jawapa, while Alpha seemed pretty townish, vote for him? Seems a bit illogical for a mafia member to vote for another mafia member no?

Because if we were both Genocides, that would be a (kinda bad) way to clear one of us from the scuminess.

The most logical scenario would be that Jawapa is a mafia member who saw a chance of starting a bandwagon on someone innocent, in this case Alpha.

You don't start a wagon with a post consisting solely of a !vote

Why would a townie vote for another (presumed) townie?

Because townies don't know who the other townies are?

The rest I think I already explained.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

I want Pyromaniac to post
I would also like to have Evilbunny, Kaslai, Bimps and marcoantonimsantos post more (maybe Onjit too?)

Note: There are posts I don't quote but still agree with. You can tell by the woots. This helps shorten my posts and avoid the "quote followed by agree" repetition.

!vote Luka504
your only real defense is how you were mislynched in mafia 7. hint hint, roles are RNG, so that means nigh nothing

This is a rather weak argument for voting someone. You're also coming out of nowhere. I don't like this. Actually even less than JaWapa.

AlphaJon looks obvious because I know he's less talkative in his scum games, he's also focused on sorting the game, another thing he'd do as town, while his scum game would be more noise.

I just happened to have lots of free time today to spend on mafia, which i didn't in my previous games (Game 7 was OK, but I had Processor on my back, which cancelled it out lel)

!vote marcoantonimsantos

Why are you so inactive? I expected you to be engaging Luka504 already.

I already did the same, he said he'll post by tomorrow.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

I'd like to bring attention to this:

!vote Luka504
your only real defense is how you were mislynched in mafia 7. hint hint, roles are RNG, so that means nigh nothing

So far, nooone said anything about it. This is basically the same as JaWapa, except with a less valid reason. There is also the fact that he didn't post anything else after that.

Also, here is my readlist. i'm not accurately placing the inactives because it will serve no purpose.

^ Towny
Bobithan
Calicara
--
Zumza, Creature
Luka504 //I am contemplating putting him with or below the true neutrals, though
- Neutral
Evilbunny, Maxi123
Kaslai, Onjit //True neutrals stand here
SmittyW
- Neutral
JaWapa
Bimps
--
The inactives (not posting isn't scummy, but I'm willing to have them lynched if they stay inactive, my guess is that at 2 of them are scum)
--
Rhaz (You know why Hint: Salad-related)
v Scummy

-- Means there is a gap

Note: you should take this scale lightly. This isn't a reference in any way.

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Re: Undertale Mafia game thread

I don't agree with the nolynching part at all. How is mafia supposed to die without lynches? Some probable vigilante kills? We all have different opinions, which also mean that vigilantes aren't necessarily the ones who will get it right for the rest of the town to wait for stuff to happen.