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Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I don't see the reason why you needed to claim. I was the only one who had voted you really, and it doesn't seem like you couldn't talk your way out of it? Nonetheless, if no one else claims sooner or later, then I'll change my vote.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

!unvote

All but Ninja have posted so I can safely repeal my vote. Maxi, I don't see why you choose to vote now. There's no convincing to be done. No one else has owned up to sheriff. (If Ninja does, well, that'll be wild)
With that:

!vote Ninja

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Rhaz has confirmed that either he or Ninja is scum, but we don't know for sure which one is which. Rhaz is awfully aggressive and Ninja is awfully defensive. Personally, I think we should !vote No Lynch and see what happens overnight.

You know, that didn't occur to me. We have, what, a day left? If Ninja doesn't post within that time, he'd either be taken off for inactivity, or we'll just lynch him.

!unvote
!nolynch

It may seem like I'm chaning my mind on voting very quickly within a short amount of time, but this genuinely didn't occur to me.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Your vote needs to be on a separate line.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

He had no reason to claim earlier. Plus, he wouldn't have had anyting on Ninja before last night anyways. There are two random town roles, I don't see why it's not plausible Rhazh got sheriff on one of them.
If no one else speaks up, we can assume that Rhazh is sheriff (and we only have Ninja left to) Forgive me for assuming but I'm guessing you're voting him because of his random vote on you, (which I also disagree with) which kind of catalyses everything
Granted we're running out of time, but lynching Rhazh seems like a worse and worse option this time around.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I don't consider it a permanent nolynch. I figure that Rhazh is correct but we really need Ninja to post something.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

So that means that either blackmailer or Ninja were the random mafia. So there could still be a framer or a janitor. It's definitely good that Ninja is gone, as the mafia won't know our roles then. There's still a witch on the loose, who Ninja hopefully hasn't found. If the mafia and witch are collaborating, it'll be significantly harder for us. We also now know that either a town protective or random town was a bodyguard, and that the town killing was the veteran. (Good thing Ninja went for Rhazh as well)

I'll post reads at some point.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Oh, and I slept peacefully.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

(Good thing Ninja went for Rhazh as well)

Explain?

Woah just read this. Please do clarify Anak, how would you know what target the mafia went/was going for? o.o

I assumed Rhazh was on alert and killed Ninja when Ninja visited him? It's good that Ninja visited because, well, now he's dead.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Oh my gooooooddddd
I mistook Rhazh to be veteran instead of sheriff for some reason when writing that post, sorry.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

What strikes me as strange is that the mafia didn't target Rhaz when he hard claimed being the Sheriff.

why would the mafia not target rhaz?
either:
- they did target rhaz, but the mafia doing the killing was witch'd to w24
- they can't target rhaz, because rhaz is mafia/witch

They mayn't have targetted him to make it seem like he's affiliated with them?

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Also notice there's still no explanation for his dumb **** vote on kaslai

I would like to know why he felt the need to do that little experiment as well.

Anak

Anak is possible scum it's hard to say. He doesn't post much, but when he does it's either because he's jumping on the lynch train, or seemingly confused. I don't read him as particularly scummy, but I wouldn't put it past him, as we've sen in past games he's quite the effective lurker.

Yeah not much I can say about that. I've been considerably busier than before due to school and also applying for colleges.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

If I were to bet on who the last 3 scum are I'd say it's Anak Calicara and Kaslai.

Same reasoning as Calicara or different?

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

If I were to bet on who the last 3 scum are I'd say it's Anak Calicara and Kaslai.

Same reasoning as Calicara or different?

If I told you why I was scumreading you I'd be telling you how not to be scumread

Well your reads on me just looks unfounded. Hadn't you have claimed and be more or less confirmed, you'd be high on my suspicion list.
If it's the same as what Calicara said, I've just explained that and in that situation there's not much I can do. You haven't responded with that before so I don't know why you choose to now.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Also rhaz you've said yourself (and proven it time and time again) how bad you are at scum reading.

Why should we listen to you now, especially with no explanation?

...Because I have information that you don't?

That doesn't mean you shouldn't explain yourself. Your posts implied you didn't have solid evidence anyways.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

If we nolynch today then all you get is a dead Sheriff and no new information.

Onjit did say there might be a doctor, and also you'll have in your will what you haven't told us.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

He plays pretty neutral, but then easily hops onto pressure votes: http://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewto … 33#p586033

Here he alludes to possibly knowing who the mafia was targeting: http://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewto … 78#p586678

Although later he claimed that he "read it wrong", or did he? Perhaps it's a part of his strategy. A known lurker, Anak easily took the win in Mafia game 3: http://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewto … 50#p581050

I don't think anyone agreed with that "reaction test" thing, and I found it grounds to vote upon. We all suspected Rhazh anyways. This isn't what I'm too bothered about though.

Yes, I did read it wrong. It was an honest mistake. Why would I make this some sort of strategy? Others (Zoey, I'm pretty sure) had made simple mistakes like that and yet I don't recall anyoen pointing them out. I wouldn't consider myself a lurker either, I'd think I'm more active than others and make some good posts. I've explained why I may not exactly be as active as I could this time around, but I'm still making some sort of effort.
I understand voting me on the neutral play kind of thing, but that post is a bit of a reach. My memory failed me and there's nothing more to it.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Sorry I wasn't here! I had an interview for a college which took much longer than I expected (I got in by the way! ) I'll read up on things in just a bit

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Anak: The N1 Blackmailer thing looks weird to me, because first, he didn't mention the message immediately, just making an allusion to it, only some posts later did he said the message was like "You're being watched". The fact that there was no blackmail the next nights makes me think there is no blackmailer, and Anak's covering himself up.

I didn't mention the message at first bc there wasn't much to it. As a message, it was pointless, something I assumed to be "Damn, we've got nothing else, let's just message someone this to scare them" Why I haven't received anymore messages, I don't know. I don't really see why people think this is some sort of coverup? Why would I right off the bat say "Oh, blackmailer messaged me this." It would be too risky/obvious a move.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Currently gathering reads, so I probably won't respond to any new posts.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

So Kaslai was the blackmailer! I got your message, hope you got mine.
That would've been such an interesting game had it gone on.
I'll post more in a bit

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Oh, here are my reads which I was literally just about to post but then majority was reached. r00d

▼Hidden text

Here come my reads:

▼AlphaJon

Contributing to the no posts joke, moreso than others, but than is actually a bit serious about it which I suppose I understand. Initially disagrees with voting Unau. Doesn't attritbute Ninja's inactivity to scuminess, doesn't post theory on Unau, with explanation. (Imo posting ideas should be done first to see what we can gather, but oh well) Policy votes Unau, no matter his role (understandable) notices Unau's inability to claim properly. His theory, when finally posted, is actually quite an interesting one to make, but obviously incorrect by the end.
Notes Rhazh's aggressiveness, however knows it's his, uh, playstyle. Notes that mafia would post more due to "lurkers = mafia" "Never let your guard down" assumably responding to maxi's hypothesis? Brushes off inactivity request, as well as Rhazh's vote, and after properly suspects him. "Not cool to talk about yourself like that." was obvious sarcasm. Then votes Rhazh, bc too aggressive and lynching multiple people. I like how he posts possibilities for what role he could be. Not sure why he asked why to wait for claiming. Why would one claim sheriff right away? Unvotes. Mentions framing, of Ninja, wants to hear from him. Votes Rhazh again based on waiting to claim?? Understandably salty from being voted, but still. Considers random sheriff unlikely (but couldn't lookout have been random?) Apparently not in retaliation, but I meant he would view him suspiciously bc of that. Suspects Ninja also.
Now trusts Rhazh bc Ninja, recaps night. Mafia didn't kill Rhazh bc protection. Wants Rhazh explanation on Kaslai vote, explained inactivity, nolynches due to lack of read. Questions blackmailer message, accuses me but subtley. (I still don't get why no followup = mafia?)
Reads/summary, most people seem to be unsure of.

▼Calicara

Smitty's joke is obvious, Rhazh is aggressive, but shouldn't look into things (agreeably) Maxi overly defensive (same reason as last games?) Ninja not scummy, but busy, wants to hear from him. Swap Unau instead of lynch, prods lurkers, then votes Unau, trusting Rhazh, not much after that.
Agrees with Ninja on Rhazh, pairs with Maxi? (consistent) However, stresses that we should take time to work things out. Prodding lurkers again. W24=Hostage, lurkers hiding something? Pressures Rhazh. Reads! Favours Rhazh, eager and lacks evidence. Ninja, hasty. Still suspecting Maxi. Uncertain. Very pressuring on Rhazh, understandably so. Now believes Rhazh, but reluctantly(?), prods Ninja. Nolynch.
Rhazh confirmed, wants to hear from Onjit and Pyro. Understandably confused by my post, pressuring me for explanation. Doubts Rhazh's tactics, questions Kaslai reading
More reads! Wants Rhazh to calm down, suspects me, Maxi now town, most either town or unsure. Defensive. Can't waste day. Votes me (which I thought a reach) Forgot about blackmailer. I mistakenly made one post, so I can't blame her. A bit overly defensive? Nolynches. Voting should be based on your reads, with hard evidence if you have any. Votes Onjit, hardclaims. Her behaviour has changed quite quickly, and differently. Was rather neutral and helpful, then very defensive when suspicion fell on her, now confused? I'm confused.

▼Kaslai

!nb4 may be mafia aligned; his lack of posts and "I'm only reading the comments" thing didn't sit well with me, but there's literally nothing get from him, so...
W24 scumlogic, idk what to make of that comment. Not many posts, mainly jokes at this point. Could be a bit more active, but thrown into the game isn't the best, so it's somewhat understandable. AlphaJon not scum, Rhazh suspicious but not sure, unsure of Ninja, more suspicious of Maxi. Made a mistake reading? Rhazh's claim singles him and Ninja out. (Doubles?) Nolynch, leaning on Ninja. Rhazh confirmed. Curious on reading, but not too bothered? Weariness comment confuses me... Calicara town. Suspects AlphaJon and Maxi(?)
Reads! Odds. Rhazh never seemed to indicate he investigated Kaslai, so I'm not sure about his theory, but it's possible, since Rhazh doesn't disclose info. "Scumometer" could be better defined. I'm rather low? I really don't get the fake blackmail thing. Really suspects AlphaJon, but I don't see how he is constantly changing alignment?

▼maxi123

Unsure about nopostjoke. Considerable blackmailer theory. Rather silent? Pushes Ninja. I felt that vote was a bit obvious due to the circumstances, but without explanation, understandable push. Rhazh not aggressive, swap Unau. Pressure votes Ninja (not one to normally pressure vote, so I'm noting this) Unvotes. Reiterates Ninja suspicion. Strongly against Unau lynch. Wants to know about Ninja's witching. Justifies Rhazh following, don't rush. Brushes off Rhazh's aggressiveness, not pushing lurkers. Hypothesis Rhazh is mafia and opportunity lynched Unau. Rhazh now scummy. Pushes Rhazh on AlphaJon and others. Still not as active as others. Not so defensive so far, contrary to opinions. Votes Rhazh, albeit quite quickly after hardclaim. Still, not the best idea. Rather lax, can lynch the other if wrong? Not the best way to go. Unvotes, votes Ninja. 50/50 Rhazh Ninja, believes Rhazh, justifies quick vote change.
Misunderstood bodyguards role (not relevant tho) Prods lurkers (finally) Agrees with Rhazh (Again) on Kaslai, but not pushing anything. Nothing to say. I'm not suspicious, but not out of the question. (Kind of a given without a hardclaim) He WAS against the Unau vote, and did confront somewhat, however still iffy about that.
Reads! Onjit suspect, questions blackmail message, pushes Calicara, suspect, Mixes up Pyro with Kaslai (honest mistake), AlphaJon inno, Kaslai bigger suspect. Onjit vote, why? Wasn't the biggest suspect.

▼Onjit

Jokester. Agrees with me on blackmail message being, well, a bit useless. Votes Unau. Rather lurkerish (Australian though) Instead swaps Unau, but hasn't unvoted. Swap !nb4. Never suspected Unau, notes Rhazh pushed for mislynch.
Doesn't exactly condone Rhazh's vote on AlphaJon. Nice diagram. Agrees to nolynch. Notes Rhazh not targetted, doesn't suspect. Questioning Kaslai hunch.
Maths! Nolynch considerable. Brings up my blackmail message. Mentions an OR, but he usually covers things. Suspects Kaslai, Maxi, Calicara and AlphaJon.
Reads! Jokesy. Consistent. Could do with more explanation. Votes Calicara, she's witch? Consistent but somewhat sudden. Somewhat attacking, but not without reason.

▼Pyromaniac

Although being replaced, he has enough posts to base something off of, so will be read.
Lack of posts is justified and explained multiple times, so I won't look at that.
Reads! Summarising from time he was gone. Slight suspicion on Rhazh but not really. Calicara not suspicious, neither is anyone else. Curious theory.
Doesn't like Rhazh's playstyle (consistent) Rather defensive/offendedish, but also consistent with playstyle. Pushing Rhazh despite lack of suspicion (haven't we all though) I'm not sure about the bad at scum reading thing, but again, I don't suspect.
I'm going to keep an eye on whoever replaces him. As I've said in a previous game, having a role played by two people is very useful to us.

▼RhazzleFrazzle

Rhazh is confirmed sheriff, I have no doubt about that. I will however read him somewhat, just to look for connections.
Pushes for Ninja without much time into D2. Agrees with me on blackmail. Pressure votes Unau, unvotes. Leaning towards Ninja. Revotes. Imo should've asked about roleblocking earlier. Votes Ninja. W24 VI. Everyone is active enough? Enough to read, I assume? I still absolutely abhor that reaction test. I don't think there has to be a correlation between accusing voting someone and also accusing them yourself imo. Bossy vote on Ninja. Outright says he got a result on Ninja, which is also why I doubt he was hard evidence on anyone right now from his investigations (to be mafia, I mean). He got a mafia result on Ninja quite early. I can't remember what I was going to say about that lmao sorry. Doubts Maxi. Nolynch. "Protect me for a free win" isn't wholy unfounded tbh.
I agree with him keeping it in his will, I think someone disagreed but I don't know why. It's sound to me. Now, he says that he isn't completely confirmed, and that he could be still mafia. That's curious, but I think he's sheriff. Someone would have claimed by now. Is Kaslai vote based on hard evidence pushing? I agree with him not outting his confirmed townies. Aggressive as usual but yknow. I would really like to know why he suspects me, Calicara, and Kaslai! This is where it is implied he lacks hard evidence. Mafia is definitely about inference though, so I can't completely debunk him there, but the language he used was as if he was unofficially confirming us. Kaslai was already suspected, but me and Calicara weren't. He's pushing on Kaslai though. Hasn't really mentioned me again, just Kaslai and Calicara. Then votes Calicara, based on the fact she isn't voting. Understandable basis, but idk. (My idk is a bit unexplainable though, so irrelevant) Pushing for a vote, nothing abnormal. It's true, he never said he suspected AlphaJon. He did say his vote was just a reaction test, so it was unfounded. Idk why people are asking explanation when that was it really. (Have I just contradicted myself? I can't remember)

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I'll admit I slipped up near the end. I shouldn't have voted you Anak (honest to goodness I forgot about the blackmailing we did though).

I'm glad we found Alpha near the end though, it was obvious he was turning a blind eye toward the sheriff.

I think I could've played much better, but considering its my first game I didn't die before the end I'm pretty happy about that.

I think you definitely slipped up at the end, changing your attitude quite a lot. I definitely suspected you and Kaslai, but not AlphaJon at all!

I just looked at the actions, and I'm confused.
N1 I got a blackmail message: "We are watching you"

Then on N3 I got this: "are you the witch? i think you might be, so if you are please say "i hope the mafia hasnt started collaborating with the witch, becaus we will lose then"

ill be talking you you later."

But Ninja already investigated me, and nothing was changed about that. Did you just disregard that, or were you trying to mess with me?

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Anak we were going for a play that didn't quite work. We were trying to copy maxis style of handwriting in order to get you to suspect him. Clearly it didn't work. It was an experimental play, and we didn't have much to lose.

Oh lmao! I suspected Maxi for other reasons, but you did do well on that somewhat.

Did you just disregard that, or were you trying to mess with me?

We were trying to mess with you. I was seriously considering implicating myself as mafia to encourage you to not vote for me (assuming you thought we thought you were the witch)

It would have been a WIFOM attempt to get you to think I was actually a target marked for death by the mafia, and then subsequently you'd then lobby to save me from the gallows.

Instead I somehow managed to derail the Kas-wagon myself.

If you had, I probably would've just voted you and outed the whole message. I was willing to sacrifice myself for the sake of throwing you off, but had there been any specific mentions, that would've been just as good.

Aw, I was hoping it was genuine! Oh well.

Anak

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

How are the hosts picked anyways? From the winners, whoever wants to, the host decides?