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xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

I don't fall for propaganda which aims at inciting hatred and fear in it's populace just so it can be kept from thinking straight. Concerning the threat of terrorism I have found a nice little chart for you.

http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/29/terro … almonella/

What, are you some kind of 9/11 conspiracy theorist?

As for your chart, it is really quite old. All Americans now have health care. Anyway, terrorism is one that incites terror in all of the populace, no matter of how many it kills. It is also the only one that can really be stopped, other than firearms homicide (but we can't lock up all the people that just might do that, can we?) Also, terrorists kill many more Americans outside of the US every year. Much, much more so than in it.

@Twipply:

I ignored one thing from before, and only because I questioned its validity.

I thoroughly disagree.

I meant religion-wise. Sorry for not clarifying.

Last edited by xputnameherex (Apr 27 2012 2:46:34 pm)

Sanguine

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Americans outside the US are killed for occupying countries they have no right to occupy, for torturing civilians, desecrating graves and dead bodies... A majority of the hatred against the US army has been well earned in recent years. I also fail to see how a threat to US soldiers is so threatening to the general populace, other than to the ones acquainted with said soldiers, though even this wouldn't mean they'd have to fear for their own lives.

xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Americans outside the US are killed for occupying countries they have no right to occupy, for torturing civilians, desecrating graves and dead bodies... A majority of the hatred against the US army has been well earned in recent years. I also fail to see how a threat to US soldiers is so threatening to the general populace, other than to the ones acquainted with said soldiers, though even this wouldn't mean they'd have to fear for their own lives.

While I do thoroughly agree that the US should pull out of Afghanistan, it is important to know that they are there with good intentions. They do not torture civilians, or desecrate graves and dead bodies (except for rouge soldiers, such as the recent abomination with Sergeant Robert Bales). There have been some succeses, such as the killings of men such as Osama bin Laden, and others. And to be honest, you seem heartless saying that the families shouldn't have to fear. I understand that you mean for their lives, but if you lose your beloved husband in a war, good luck getting over it easily, and good luck not worrying about it beforehand. Then again, this is a much different, political problem that probably should not get into.

Twipply

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Re: Religion and its Impact

They do not torture civilians

Guantanamo Bay.   A specific example.   Also, the civilian distinction isn't necessary.   No one should be tortured.

except for rouge soldiers

I hope claiming they're rouge isn't an attempt to absolve responsibility.

xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

They do not torture civilians

Guantanamo Bay.   A specific example.   Also, the civilian distinction isn't necessary.   No one should be tortured.

except for rouge soldiers

I hope claiming they're rouge isn't an attempt to absolve responsibility.

While I am upset with false convictions, it is something that happens quite a bit, everywhere.

A rouge/insane soldier does not take away responsibility, but it is placed on them specifically.

treejoe4

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Americans outside the US are killed for occupying countries they have no right to occupy, for torturing civilians, desecrating graves and dead bodies... A majority of the hatred against the US army has been well earned in recent years. I also fail to see how a threat to US soldiers is so threatening to the general populace, other than to the ones acquainted with said soldiers, though even this wouldn't mean they'd have to fear for their own lives.

While I do thoroughly agree that the US should pull out of Afghanistan, it is important to know that they are there with good intentions. They do not torture civilians, or desecrate graves and dead bodies (except for rouge soldiers, such as the recent abomination with Sergeant Robert Bales). There have been some succeses, such as the killings of men such as Osama bin Laden, and others. And to be honest, you seem heartless saying that the families shouldn't have to fear. I understand that you mean for their lives, but if you lose your beloved husband in a war, good luck getting over it easily, and good luck not worrying about it beforehand. Then again, this is a much different, political problem that probably should not get into.

America does torture people? How can you not know this!?

xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Americans outside the US are killed for occupying countries they have no right to occupy, for torturing civilians, desecrating graves and dead bodies... A majority of the hatred against the US army has been well earned in recent years. I also fail to see how a threat to US soldiers is so threatening to the general populace, other than to the ones acquainted with said soldiers, though even this wouldn't mean they'd have to fear for their own lives.

While I do thoroughly agree that the US should pull out of Afghanistan, it is important to know that they are there with good intentions. They do not torture civilians, or desecrate graves and dead bodies (except for rouge soldiers, such as the recent abomination with Sergeant Robert Bales). There have been some succeses, such as the killings of men such as Osama bin Laden, and others. And to be honest, you seem heartless saying that the families shouldn't have to fear. I understand that you mean for their lives, but if you lose your beloved husband in a war, good luck getting over it easily, and good luck not worrying about it beforehand. Then again, this is a much different, political problem that probably should not get into.

America does torture people? How can you not know this!?

people =/= civilians.

Twipply

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Re: Religion and its Impact

While I am upset with false convictions, it is something that happens quite a bit, everywhere.

A rouge/insane soldier does not take away responsibility, but it is placed on them specifically.

So what we've established is that Americans (among others) do in fact torture civilians, and more importantly anyone at all.   Why do you claim things are false when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about?   I found results showing Sanguine's torture claim accurate after a single search on Google.

Video.

xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

While I am upset with false convictions, it is something that happens quite a bit, everywhere.

A rouge/insane soldier does not take away responsibility, but it is placed on them specifically.

So what we've established is that Americans (among others) do in fact torture civilians, and more importantly anyone at all.   Why do you claim things are false when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about?   I found results showing Sanguine's torture claim accurate after a single search on Google.

Video.

This shall be a short reply:

No sane person knowingly tortures innocent civilians.

Every word in there counts.

Sanguine

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Re: Religion and its Impact

http://www.intelligencesquared.com/even … s-religion

An interesting debate on the matter.

brater8

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Re: Religion and its Impact

I believe that all religion is bad except for worship of the Flying Speghetti Monster.   He is the true God.   Convert and you too can visit the beer volcano in heaven.

krubby

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Re: Religion and its Impact

people are more likely to do good things than bad things after reading the bible (and in the name of the bible). bam. religion is good for society. that's all. /circulartwipplyargument

xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

I believe that all religion is bad except for worship of the Flying Speghetti Monster.   He is the true God.   Convert and you too can visit the beer volcano in heaven.

You let me down brater.

Sanguine

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Yes brater wtf.

xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Yes brater wtf.

I was kidding, I know him from Kongregate. -_-

Tako

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Re: Religion and its Impact

people are more likely to do good things than bad things after reading the bible (and in the name of the bible). bam. religion is good for society. that's all. /circulartwipplyargument

Two things:

1) I'm unconvinced people give any decent amount of effort into obeying all ten commandments and believing in what the Bible tells them. Christians are not perfect people; they are far from it. While I'm sure most don't mean to harm, beliefs combined in a government is (as Sagan put it) "a combustible mixture of ignorance and power". There is danger in the simplest of incorrect beliefs, so it should be treated with utmost care and research.

Currently, I see the opposite: parents telling their children to believe in the Bible without hesitation or questioning, because I said so.

2) There are some dogmas in the Bible that are completely irrational and should not be used as a basis for daily decisions, especially in Congress. If you want good morals, use your head. You have it for a reason.

Some of these include:
Homosexuality is wrong because I said so.
Women should submit to men. Because I said so.
Force your beliefs on other people.
People should disobey their government if it says to do something not written in the Bible.
If you think of something you really want to happen, it'll come true!
You can move mountains with your brain - if you have faith.

This moral guidance that Christianity has to offer is quite interesting, if I do say so myself. It has this enigmatic aroma of such sound authority that no Christian is willing to question. My troubles arise when it stops explaining itself and just dictates; giving irrational rules while maintaining it's vague reasoning. This leaves no room for evidentiary support or proper foundations.

If I were to embody Christianity/Islam, it would look like a house being held up by vertical sticks. Some of these vertical sticks would include "Hell", "Heaven", "Culture", "Security" --- and other reasons as to why people become religious. The house's weight represents the faith required to believe it all. Faith is belief without evidence.

Most people, I'd hypothesize, allow this blind faith because of its redeeming effects on a person. I will directly disagree with this any day of the week. This is simply incorrect on many degrees; any change you see in a person is made-up or self-imagined.

My sentiment is simple: You don't need religion to have a good life. And you don't need an irrational dictator to guide the world.

"We must be the change we wish to see in the world"

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Minimania

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Re: Religion and its Impact

My point of this post is to move on from parts of religion that try to explain the nonexplainable with false theories proven to be incorrect, like Jesus and gods living on Mount Olympus. God? He's fine.

Jesus wasn't Greek. Jesus was raised by Joseph and Mary in Rome. Perhaps your referring to Zeus? Plus we DO have proof that Christianity is real.

PLUS+ @Sanguine on his first post on page 9: There was more than one book in the Bible. A Roman leader converting hundreds of gods to Jesus and God all in one incident. Constanitine namely, was in a war in Christians in ancient Rome, he praised his gods, and saw a symbol from a Christian. It had a cross, and the caption was "Believe, and you will conquer. He tried it. He fought in the name of the lord of God and won, as usual. Paul wouldn't have spread Christianity if he didn't believe it.

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krubby

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Re: Religion and its Impact

fundamentalist beliefs =/= the thoughts of every single christian to ever live.

Twipply

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Plus we DO have proof that Christianity is real.

I would genuinely love to see your proof.

Sanguine

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Noone ever claimed Jesus being Greek.

For the rest: I don't need to comment on fiction, and until you give actual proof that this has happened (good luck with that) it is fiction.

krubby

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Re: Religion and its Impact

^he didn't double post, i deleted mine, which was in between. just clearing things up.