Religion, islam and christianity. [SERIOUS TOPIC]

Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

Are there seriously people here doubting evolution? I don't think I need to repeat what Twipps said, but it baffles me how you people are pretty much staring at blank evidence and are still clinging to your imaginary friend and his lovely magic.
I'm sorry, were you there when humans allegedly "evolved" from chimps?
According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, if you cannot see, smell, touch, hear, or taste something, it does not exist. Yes, this applies for religion too. Which is why I claim people who believe in evolution make just as much sense as people who believe in Jesus.

To be blunt, you very simply do not understand what evolution is. Read this link in its entirety if you wish to be taken seriously in the future: Evolution

As for your supposed rules, that's completely wrong.

Last edited by Twipply (Jun 25 2011 9:24:39 pm)

Tako · Before February 2015

Forget that last part.

I know what evolution is. And I also know that nobody witnessed it.

Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

Forget that last part.
I know what evolution is. And I also know that nobody witnessed it.

Humans did not evolve from chimps, so it seems that you do not know what evolution is. I've already stated that we've seen evolution in action, so that's not true either.

Here's some hopefully nice links for you to educate yourself with:
Evolution
Human Evolution
A pretty diagram
Common Descent
Natural Selection

Last edited by Twipply (Jun 25 2011 9:54:00 pm)

Tako · Before February 2015

Nobody witnessed him either, I never said someone did.

LightShadow · Before February 2015

Debating evolution vs. religion will get you nowhere. Even Darwin, the father of the theory of evolution, was agnostic. Not an atheist, an agnostic. He said he wasn't sure. In fact, he sometimes said that he believed in God.
Read about it here.
I'll probably throw in my two cents tomorrow, it's getting late here.

Last edited by LightShadow (Jun 25 2011 10:01:07 pm)

supadorf24 · Before February 2015

I used to believe there was a God. I used to attend Sunday School. As a kid, this made sense to me. But now I realize that the church was, in a way, brainwashing me, not giving me a chance to think on my own. As a kid, you are raised to take adults' word for truth. I was merely doing what I was told to. Denying the presence of a God would only get me kicked out of Sunday School and called a naughty boy. As the years went on, I realized that not everything was real. All of a sudden, magicians were just illusionists. And I was terrified when I learned that Santa wasn't real. Absolutely terrified. I had been lied to by my own parents for my entire life. Santa Clause, something absurd but something that I believed to be undoubtedly true, was a lie. Doesn't that sound familiar? The idea of a God is absurd but many people believe it to be true. In fact, they worship God the same way a child reveres Santa. Now, as I've grown older, I've disregarded the things I learned in church. After all, I was too young to process the thoughts myself. When I look around, I see no evidence of God. The only things I know of God were the "facts" that I was forced to believe.

I'm not trying to force my beliefs down your throat. This is just how I think.

By the way, I typed this all on an iPod. Ugh.

Tako · Before February 2015

What's faith when you're provided evidence? God created humans because he wanted someone to love him. When you're given evidence that he exists, you're not loving. You're putting puzzle pieces together.

MIHB · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

What's faith when you're provided evidence? God created humans because he wanted someone to love him. When you're given evidence that he exists, you're not loving. You're putting puzzle pieces together.

. . .

So many possible jokes. . .

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

Keeping a close eye on this topic.

*watches*

treejoe4 · Before February 2015

Just because someone doesnt agree with your points dont flame them!

Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

What's faith when you're provided evidence? God created humans because he wanted someone to love him. When you're given evidence that he exists, you're not loving. You're putting puzzle pieces together.

I'm pretty sure I can love things that I know exist, can't you? Have you told your family & friends of your inability to love them thanks to their very existence?
Do you plan on reading those links so you can learn what evolution actually is? I hope you do.

Another link about evolution.
Another

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

Twipply wrote:

TakoMan02 wrote:
What's faith when you're provided evidence? God created humans because he wanted someone to love him. When you're given evidence that he exists, you're not loving. You're putting puzzle pieces together.
I'm pretty sure I can love things that I know exist, can't you? Have you told your family & friends of your inability to love them thanks to their very existence?
Do you plan on reading those links so you can learn what evolution actually is? I hope you do.
Another link about evolution.
Another

I think I saw that video a long time ago, very informative. Thanks for digging it up.

dol257 · Before February 2015

im 13, and I already know that religion is 1 weird mess of contradictions -.-"

Watashii · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

God created humans because he wanted someone to love him.

Why would an almighty being such as God want someone to love him? I know that a lot of humans feel this need, but I find that hard to apply to a being such as God.

TakoMan02 wrote:

I prefer religion for a few reasons:
Life after death
Better then nothing at all

I can't say that I agree with you here. The life after death as Christianity advocates it does sound like a pretty meaningless existance to me. First of all it contains nothing but an eternal praiseing and worshipment of God, a being that I personally don't think is worthy of it.
Second of all, it's eternal. To live for an infinity sounds increbily boring to me. In fact, one of the things that makes life so valuable is the fact that it's short. If I knew that I had an extra eternety to live, this current life would be pretty pointless to me. Since this current life is the only one I know of, I try to value it as highly as possible and make the most out of it. To find out that it was just a part of an eternety in afterlife would make my entire existace and everything I live for up to this point pretty meaningless. Life it self would be meaningless if you can just live forever in heaven.

Also, as Twipply pointed out, most of these points about why you prefer religion sounds more like wishful thinking than a belief that a life after death is what will actually happen.

TakoMan02 wrote:

Matter didn't create itself

I suggest you should read up a bit on quantum mechanics. It's not a field I'm an expert in myself, but it could explain why this can happen.

You might also want to look at this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
I haven't watched it myself due to a lack of time, but I see it getting post a lot on the internet and people whoms opinions I respect and value have posted it in other places before, so I assume that it is of good quality.

TakoMan02 wrote:

To me, it provides a healthy mind

From what I've seen, it does more often than not provide a narrowed, and thus unhealthy mind. An healthy mind is by the way not related to religion, as I've seen and met plenty of non-believers who possesses one. If you think that religion is the best way FOR YOU to have one, then go for it. But don't assume that the same will apply to everyone else. The negative always outnumbers the positive in religion, and most/all the positive stuff people get from it can also be obtained from elsewere. Such as moral and a healthy mind.

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Regarding the lack of observation in evolution;
From what I recall evolution is one of the most proved scientific theories around. It have in fact been observerd both today and a long time ago how mutations happen in various creatures. Other is it with the Big Bang theory, which came from a kind of backtracking so we were able to figure out what might have been the cause of the beginning of the universe. It's not as proved as evolution, but there's tons of evidence supporting it, so there is a lot of reason to believe that it's what happened. After all, it's the best and most likely one around. I have suggested this before, but I think TakoMan02 needs to watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vss1VKN2rf8

TheGreenTroll · Before February 2015

@Watashii: Sure, it's okay.

@Lugnuts: Be more specific please.

@jj4: The God in the old testament was the God of revenge.

And to clarify the meaning of this thread, I'll quote myself.

TheGreenTroll wrote:

EDIT: Since many people didn't understand that the purpose with this thread was to discuss christianity "versus" islam, I'll say it now. Topic is christianity and islam, compared to each other.

D-rock2308 · Before February 2015

Islam | Christianity

They're both the same to me, and that's all I'll go into it with.

TheGreenTroll · Before February 2015

D-rock2308 wrote:

Islam | Christianity
They're both the same to me, and that's all I'll go into it with.

Okay, and why do you not want to tell us why?

Tako · Before February 2015

Well, what I think he means is there's such a big line between non-religious and religious that separate religions don't seem all that different.

That, and both Christians and Islamic people both worship a "Jesus" and follow similar traditions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Islam

Baticon · Before February 2015

You said all wrong about islam!!! >:(

In islam,raping,marriage with more than 1 person,killing people are FORB?DDEN.
Islam lets everyone choosing others like christians and bouddists, and ATHEISTS, it lets them. Their opinion,if they choose others.
I dont know where you read Quran,but all about it is WRONG.Mohammed married with 1 WIFE as old as him.
Al-Qaida and Al-shabbab are BAD PEOPLE,really. They dont follow the words of Quran. All is about their personality.
Quran allows people to choose other religions,it forbids torture and kill people.

If we look at others posts,you said all wrong about christians TOO.
You mustnt post sth before learning a thing.You annoy everyone. D:<

Gaming_Guy · Before February 2015

You got most of the things about Islam wrong.

In the Quran, it says that Christians and Jews should be killed, countries invaded and converted, if the countries population refuses, they shall be killed or tortured until they accept Allah. Husbands is allowed to beat their wives and also rape them. Men is allowed to have 4 wives, and they can be under 18 years old. Islams prophet Muhammad married a 9-year old girl, Aisha, in other words, he was a pedophile.

The underline statements are all messed up. Where ever you read this is was stated wrong.
Muslims don't believe that Christians and Jews should die. They believe in peace. Christians and Jews killed Muslims in the old days of the foreign religion. We had to fight back and defend ourselves, wouldn't you? People died and were tortured because of this odd new religion.

Countries weren't invaded and converted, Muslims just told other countries (Brother countries) to be Muslim like them, they didn't harm anyone in that process. If Muslims didn't believe in Christians and Jews they would die or get tortured until they accept it (You mixed it up there).

If a husband beats his wife then he will be doing something bad and will pay the price in the other world. I don't know about the raping part but you can't have more than 1 wife at a time and you can't divorce more than 4 times. The wife can't be under 18 and Muhammad didn't marry a girl 9 years old, he married with someone his age.

Please change your post, you put wrong information in it.

Gamer1120 · Before February 2015

Kaosslasher wrote:

Im not sure if this is what you were getting at: but people teach bull crap about christianity in schools, pure bs.

Indeed. Btw it never says that christians shouldn't do "bad" things. Different parts of the bible were written in different times with different views on what was "good" and "bad".

Baticon · Before February 2015

GamingGuy wrote:

You got most of the things about Islam wrong.
In the Quran, it says that Christians and Jews should be killed, countries invaded and converted, if the countries population refuses, they shall be killed or tortured until they accept Allah. Husbands is allowed to beat their wives and also rape them. Men is allowed to have 4 wives, and they can be under 18 years old. Islams prophet Muhammad married a 9-year old girl, Aisha, in other words, he was a pedophile.
The underline statements are all messed up. Where ever you read this is was stated wrong.
Muslims don't believe that Christians and Jews should die. They believe in peace. Christians and Jews killed Muslims in the old days of the foreign religion. We had to fight back and defend ourselves, wouldn't you? People died and were tortured because of this odd new religion.
Countries weren't invaded and converted, Muslims just told other countries (Brother countries) to be Muslim like them, they didn't harm anyone in that process. If Muslims didn't believe in Christians and Jews they would die or get tortured until they accept it (You mixed it up there).
If a husband beats his wife then he will be doing something bad and will pay the price in the other world. I don't know about the raping part but you can't have more than 1 wife at a time and you can't divorce more than 4 times. The wife can't be under 18 and Muhammad didn't marry a girl 9 years old, he married with someone his age.
Please change your post, you put wrong information in it.

All right

Toby · Before February 2015

There probably is no god*.

I'm a good person. On the off-chance there is an afterlife, if I don't get into heaven just because I don't worship him then God is prick.

Religion isn't needed anymore, it's pretty much just a genetic illness kids accept from their parents because they have it brainwashed into them. Most rational people wouldn't have believed it if they only started hearing about it when they were 15 as opposed to 5...

So glad I don't live in America/other overly religious nation. No offence guys ^w^

edit: There probably is goOd

Greenzoid2 · Before February 2015

Toby wrote:

There probably is no god*.
I'm a good person. On the off-chance there is an afterlife, if I don't get into heaven just because I don't worship him then God is prick.
Religion isn't needed anymore, it's pretty much just a genetic illness kids accept from their parents because they have it brainwashed into them. Most rational people wouldn't have believed it if they only started hearing about it when they were 15 as opposed to 5...
So glad I don't live in America/other overly religious nation. No offence guys ^w^
edit: There probably is goOd

God wouldn't send someone to hell just because they don't worship Him.

Religion is a very complicated subject. I could say something about it, only to have it ripped apart by some of you smarter people here, and I'd have no answers for you.

God is forgiving.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hETU8jmkec[/youtube]

really bad acting, but you get the point.

Last edited by Greenzoid2 (Jun 29 2011 11:35:35 pm)

Tako · Before February 2015

What? You're telling me Wikipedia - edited by smart people - is WRONG? Wikipedia is right about everything!

Blame the article, not me. All I said is that they worship 'Jesus'* and have many similar traditions. Not all. Most. There's a difference there.

*They call him something different, but they're both talking about the same person if I'm correct.

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