Religion, islam and christianity. [SERIOUS TOPIC]

Tako · Before February 2015

Irrelevant. Time does not "predict" anything. And like I said twice now, my religion does not hinge on what I believe to be a sign.

@MIHB: You're saying God is ridiculous, so I cannot respond to that.

If you're given a box, and then asked what was inside the box without looking, you would not be able to give the correct answer based on facts. It could be a toothbrush, a TV remote, a package of gum, ANYTHING. This represents our views on how the universe came to be. None of us can present facts on how the universe came into being, because we were never there. We never witnessed evolution, God creating the Heavens and the Earth, or any of that. All people need to realize this beforethey provide an opinion. A religious view is just as correct/incorrect as an evolutionist's view, when you're looking at it from a matter-of-fact standpoint.

What you find ridiculous is just a matter of opinion and should not be treated as a fact.

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Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

None of us can present facts on how the universe came into being, because we were never there.

I don't think anyone claims the Big Bang is a definite fact, as there's often an element of uncertainty in physics. We can, however, supply a lot of evidence that supports our theories and hypotheses.

TakoMan02 wrote:

We never witnessed evolution

This is a nice article I read recently.

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Tako · Before February 2015

1st point: No. We do not know how the universe was created.
2nd point: I will. Most of it is about animals.

Correction: Nobody has witnessed the evolution of humans directly.

And you took 2 sentences out of the entire point. Please address the entire thing...

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MIHB · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

@MIHB: You're saying God is ridiculous, so I cannot respond to that.

I have never said that God is ridiculous. That you think I did shows how easily the human brain can perceive what it wants to perceive.

Sanguine · Before February 2015

When it comes to religion I always wonder what use it actually has; what does it do to further humanity, to make lives better.. and so far the only answer I could come up with was: It's detrimental to all of those points.

Wars have been and are fought based on religious convictions, and putting the individual aside for a second, it's the perfect justification-tool for just about anything. Pretty much every advancement humanity has made was against the will of the religious leaders of that time; the world not being a disc, basic morality... and we still have things like hatred for homosexuals, the ban for condoms even though they're the only reliable AIDS prohibition there is at the moment... I simply can't understand why people actually support this, it's morally unacceptable.

Also, another point I personally dislike when it comes to religion is how it sees us humans as the glorious "Master Race", with everything else being redundant... and why care for nature anyways, animals don't have souls, and life on this plane of existence is meaningless anyway right? It's all about the afterlife. So let's ruin our planet to the best of our ability, we might finally get the Armageddon we so much desire. Thing is, it will be -our- Armageddon, not "God's".

If anyone of you knows of Russel's Teapot (which I assume only the Atheists here do, seeing how we try and educate ourselves) that's pretty much another point of Religion I find to be hilariously pathetic: You teach that stuff to children, that have no means of defending themselves against that crap you're feeding them. You could tell them off a small Teapot circling around the earth and how people are to pray to it, and the difference in behaviour would be nil, compared to our predominant religions: We would still kill each other over whose teapot is the best, and teach our children to do so in turn.

Edit:

Are there seriously people here doubting evolution? I don't think I need to repeat what Twipps said, but it baffles me how you people are pretty much staring at blank evidence and are still clinging to your imaginary friend and his lovely magic.

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Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

And you took 2 sentences out of the entire point. Please address the entire thing...

Your box thing is stupid and doesn't make any sense. Your idea that we can't say what happened because we didn't see it ourselves is also flawed. I never knew such a thing as an 'evolutionist' existed.

TakoMan02 wrote:

Correction: Nobody has witnessed the evolution of humans directly.

Is that of any importance to evolution's validity?

Tako · Before February 2015

^Ok then... then where are we getting if you only address two sentences that are semi-unrelated to my point?

MIHB wrote:

TakoMan02 wrote:
@MIHB: You're saying God is ridiculous, so I cannot respond to that.
I have never said that God is ridiculous. That you think I did shows how easily the human brain can perceive what it wants to perceive.

You are implying that.

" You believe in an imaginary man who is all-powerful, all-knowing, whose very existence is paradoxical according to the various qualities Christianity ascribes to him. "

You are DEFINITELY implying that God is ridiculous. And for the fourth time, my religion does not hinge on the "sign" at all. You don't seem to want to progress... you keep dragging me back to that by pointing out a random problem that has nothing to do with religion at all.

inb4itsallmyfault

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RavaTroll · Before February 2015

It's all your fault !

( Sorry, had to. x) )

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Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

You are implying that.
" You believe in an imaginary man who is all-powerful, all-knowing, whose very existence is paradoxical according to the various qualities Christianity ascribes to him. "
You are DEFINITELY implying that God is ridiculous.

Perhaps he was actually implying that it is you and/or your belief that are ridiculous.

TakoMan02 wrote:

And for the fourth time, my religion does not hinge on the "sign" at all.

If not your strange time related sign, then what?

Sanguine wrote:

Are there seriously people here doubting evolution? I don't think I need to repeat what Twipps said, but it baffles me how you people are pretty much staring at blank evidence and are still clinging to your imaginary friend and his lovely magic.

I love you, Sangy.

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Tako · Before February 2015

I prefer religion for a few reasons:
Life after death
Better then nothing at all
To me, it provides a healthy mind
Matter didn't create itself
I think life is something more then a coincidence

...blah blah blah

D-rock2308 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

1st point: No. We do not know how the universe was created.
2nd point: I will. Most of it is about animals.
Correction: Nobody has witnessed the evolution of humans directly.
And you took 2 sentences out of the entire point. Please address the entire thing...
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OHHHH So it only counts if it is HUMAN evolution to prove there is a god?

MIHB · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

^Ok then... then where are we getting if you only address two sentences that are semi-unrelated to my point?
MIHB wrote:
TakoMan02 wrote:
@MIHB: You're saying God is ridiculous, so I cannot respond to that.
I have never said that God is ridiculous. That you think I did shows how easily the human brain can perceive what it wants to perceive.
You are implying that.
" You believe in an imaginary man who is all-powerful, all-knowing, whose very existence is paradoxical according to the various qualities Christianity ascribes to him. "
You are DEFINITELY implying that God is ridiculous. And for the fourth time, my religion does not hinge on the "sign" at all. You don't seem to want to progress... you keep dragging me back to that by pointing out a random problem that has nothing to do with religion at all.
inb4itsallmyfault

Well, it is your fault. You put forth an explanation as to why you believed in God, a bunch of people blasted you, and now you're backtracking.

And I'm not implying that God is ridiculous. I'm outright SAYING that his existence is paradoxical according to how Christianity describes him. Christianity does sophisticated mental gymnastics to make his existence not paradoxical, and thats fine. But the fact that you can buy into those gymnastics, while refusing to believe that maybe your eyes and your brain can tell you what you want to see and hear and think. . .

I find that amusing.

TakoMan02 wrote:

I prefer religion for a few reasons:
Life after death
Better then nothing at all
To me, it provides a healthy mind
Matter didn't create itself
I think life is something more then a coincidence
...blah blah blah

These are reasons why religion benefits you to believe in it; none of them are arguments as to why God exists or why Christianity is CORRECT. For an insight into the distinction, I can choose to believe that there is life after death, and that life will be spent with Scarlett Johannsen feeding me grapes. But this is not proof that, when I die, I'll go up to a heavenly realm with sexy Scarlett feeding me grapes.

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Sanguine · Before February 2015

Having a healthy mind and all that is wonderful and fine, but please spare others from your rigid ideas. And don't breed, if possible.

Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

I prefer religion for a few reasons:
Life after death
Better then nothing at all
To me, it provides a healthy mind
Matter didn't create itself
I think life is something more then a coincidence
...blah blah blah

The first point sounds like you're afraid of dying, and so turn to religion for a slimmer of hope.
The second sounds like something I already potentially showed wasn't true.
Personally, I think the knowledge of such an illogical, all powerful being would be quite traumatising.
What, and God did? Try not to use arguments that can so easily be turned against you.
Any evidence for that? Or is it just more blind hoping.

Sanguine wrote:

Having a healthy mind and all that is wonderful and fine, but please spare others from your rigid ideas. And don't breed, if possible.

Harsh words, even for such an unloving person as yourself!

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Tako · Before February 2015

MIHB wrote:

TakoMan02 wrote:
^Ok then... then where are we getting if you only address two sentences that are semi-unrelated to my point?
MIHB wrote:
I have never said that God is ridiculous. That you think I did shows how easily the human brain can perceive what it wants to perceive.
You are implying that.
" You believe in an imaginary man who is all-powerful, all-knowing, whose very existence is paradoxical according to the various qualities Christianity ascribes to him. "
You are DEFINITELY implying that God is ridiculous. And for the fourth time, my religion does not hinge on the "sign" at all. You don't seem to want to progress... you keep dragging me back to that by pointing out a random problem that has nothing to do with religion at all.
inb4itsallmyfault
Well, it is your fault. You put forth an explanation as to why you believed in God, a bunch of people blasted you, and now you're backtracking.
If your beliefs don't depend on having seen signs, care to share other reasons?
And I'm not implying that God is ridiculous. I'm outright SAYING that his existence is paradoxical according to how Christianity describes him. Christianity does sophisticated mental gymnastics to make his existence not paradoxical, and thats fine. But the fact that you can buy into those gymnastics, while refusing to believe that maybe your eyes and your brain can tell you what you want to see and hear and think. . .
I find that amusing.

If you read what I said, I explained why I was backtracking:
1) I don't know why I said that, as it does and should not hinge on one's religious views
2) I shared a few reasons above as to why I believe in Jesus over the big-bang theory

3) I'm glad you're finding humor from a very off-topic sentence...

@Twipply: They are my beliefs, I didn't say they were yours and that they should by everyone's.

And that new guy acts exactly like you, twipply. Suspicious how he makes an account today and immediately starts talking on this thread.

If you don't mind me asking, S[w/e], do you have a profile on this game...?

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Different55 · Before February 2015

Sanguine wrote:

Having a healthy mind and all that is wonderful and fine, but please spare others from your rigid ideas. And don't breed, if possible.

Watch it.

And I sense hostility in this topic.

D-rock2308 · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

Sanguine wrote:
Having a healthy mind and all that is wonderful and fine, but please spare others from your rigid ideas. And don't breed, if possible.
Watch it.
And I sense hostility in this topic.

I think it's because hostility is what religions cause. Would you look at that!

Different55 · Before February 2015

Conflicts between religion causes hostility. Not religion itself.

Twipply · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

Conflicts between religion causes hostility. Not religion itself.

Are you sure there's nothing in Christianity, or any other religion, that promotes hostility?

D-rock2308 · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

Conflicts between religion causes hostility. Not religion itself.

And how did those conflicts start? Religion.

Sanguine · Before February 2015

I'm not sure whether mods are allowed to join in a discussion / bashfest.

On topic: The harm religion brings causes hostility.

TakoMan02 wrote:

@Twipply: They are my beliefs, I didn't say they were yours and that they should by everyone's.
And that new guy acts exactly like you, twipply. Suspicious how he makes an account today and immediately starts talking on this thread.

Twipps is my friend. Friends may indeed sometimes be quite similar in their actions and beliefs.

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Tako · Before February 2015

Nobody was forcing you to be rude.

Twipply · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

@Twipply: They are my beliefs, I didn't say they were yours and that they should by everyone's.
And that new guy acts exactly like you, twipply. Suspicious how he makes an account today and immediately starts talking on this thread.

Sang is my friend. Friends may indeed sometimes be quite similar in their actions and beliefs.

Lugnuts · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

@Twipply: They are my beliefs, I didn't say they were yours and that they should by everyone's.
And that new guy acts exactly like you, twipply. Suspicious how he makes an account today and immediately starts talking on this thread.

I'm afraid you have admitted using multiple accounts on the forum to agree with yourself, Tako.

Tako · Before February 2015

^He doesn't agree with me, and in no way am I relating Sang to myself.

Are there seriously people here doubting evolution? I don't think I need to repeat what Twipps said, but it baffles me how you people are pretty much staring at blank evidence and are still clinging to your imaginary friend and his lovely magic.

I'm sorry, were you there when humans allegedly "evolved" from chimps?

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