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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Since it looks like xputnamehere didn't quite get what GNU/FSF is going for I'm going to clarify the points which their philosophy page is making.

0: Definitely on all OS's. That's kinda the point of a program.

If you look through the user agreement terms (EULA) on a lot programs, you'll find out that they do not allow the user to use the program for certain tasks. Usually involving things you normally do not encounter/do, like using the program for terrorism. But it does demonstrate that the programs does not always have freedom #0, which you seem to argue against for some to me unknown reason.

It's definitely not allowing the user to run the program for any reason/purpose. Almost any program with a "user agreement" can't have freedom #0.

Another example that comes to mind is trial-version of programs. Or programs which you're only allowed to run for a certain amount of time (if you have a license which expires after a few years and whatnot)

Stallman phrases this better than I do:

The freedom to run the program means the freedom for any kind of person or organization to use it on any kind of computer system, for any kind of overall job and purpose, without being required to communicate about it with the developer or any other specific entity. In this freedom, it is the user's purpose that matters, not the developer's purpose; you as a user are free to run the program for your purposes, and if you distribute it to someone else, she is then free to run it for her purposes, but you are not entitled to impose your purposes on her.

1: As stated on that site, programs are not required to give access to the source code. Source code access is of course available on PCs.

I don't see that stated on the page I linked to. I see the extreme opposite though:

In order for freedoms 1 and 3 (the freedom to make changes and the freedom to publish improved versions) to be meaningful, you must have access to the source code of the program. Therefore, accessibility of source code is a necessary condition for free software.

Microsoft does indeed have two licenses which are considered Free by the FSF standard, but they are only used for a small portion of the OSes code (can't bother to look up exactly what uses those licenses though). You surely can't be saying that Windows have it's all source code available, and can be considered open source? Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding your second sentence there.

2: Obviously if it is copyrighted this is highly illegal, and all the same on a PC.

Then that program doesn't respect the users freedom, and is thus non-free. If the user is forced to use the program under such restriction, then the program isn't free as in freedom.

This is part of the "philosophy" section. These are not only available on Unix-based OS's. This is the definition for the term "free software" as stated by GNU. Now, GNU does provide copylefting, but this is unnecessary. "Free software" can be found on all OS's. This is simply how GNU wants things to be.

I don't see what you're going for here. What point is it that you're trying to make (if any)?

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Macs and Pc's are different types of computers

Apple OSX Lion, Windows 7, and Linux are types of Operating Systems

Get that straight. (Just noticed the title was on OS, but your post was on Pc's vs Mac's)

Anyways.
I have to say PC's on Windows, I just ordered a new HP Pavilion Dv6t Quad Edition. Waiting for it now.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Free? as in Freedom?

FTFY

I'd just like to claify to whoever posted above me:

A Mac is, indeed, a type of computer. You're correct about that, but it's also a type of PC. "Mac" isn't the antithesis of PC as you seem to suggest, but they're both categories that happen to overlap.

The part about the OSes is mostly correct, though. The Linux? portion is incorrect. Interject... What you're referring to as Linux... is actually... GNU?/Linux?... etc. Linux is the kernel, the part of the system that (I understand, I'm sure it's probably incorrect in some ways) allocates system resources and handles base tasks.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

In My experience people seem to divide it into Macs and Pc's Even though PC means Personal Computer. And uhh... Its just simpler to say linux lol

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Well, I've been thinking about this for the past 5 minutes, and I think I came up with a great metaphor that might justify my Mac.

Think of your computer as a girlfriend. The Mac is the incredibly attractive girlfriend but doesn't do as much as the PC. However, the Mac is nicer in general and easier to be around even if you don't know it too well. The PC is less friendly, less attractive, and slightly overweight. However, it can get more done. Still I'd go with the Mac.

You can tell you're lonely when you refer to your computer as your girlfriend.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

You mean:

Mac is attractive, but dumb as hell. She can't do much and only wants things   SHE wants to do, because modifying anything, hell no! She isn't even uniquely pretty, just standard blonde hot but boring because there are so many like her. Whereas a PC is adventurous, comes in many shapes and as pretty as you wish. She requires some skill to handle, but then again, any good relationship has. You give her crap, she gives you crap. Makes sense right? PC allows for depth, Mac is just superficial.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

And GNU/Linux is like a Girlfriend? that will do anything you want her to, only you have to tell her how and do everything for her, but she's much faster than any of the others and better for things in general.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

So when I say 'I'm a PC'...
Holy crap.
Someone should look up personality vs computer used and see if there's any scientific basis.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Jad, why do you put little trademark symbols after so much stuff in this topic?

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Jad, why do you put little trademark symbols after so much stuff in this topic?

Because it's Fun?.
IT originated (for me) on /g/, where they generally do that with Freedom?, Free?, Just Werks?, etc.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Responding to the only important part:

This is part of the "philosophy" section. These are not only available on Unix-based OS's. This is the definition for the term "free software" as stated by GNU. Now, GNU does provide copylefting, but this is unnecessary. "Free software" can be found on all OS's. This is simply how GNU wants things to be.

I don't see what you're going for here. What point is it that you're trying to make (if any)?

Free Software is available on any OS. GNU wants more programs to be Free Software.

The page you linked is listed under the philosophy section of gnu.com, and fittingly so. A philosophy wants things to be a certain way, but it certainly can't guarantee that everyone will follow it. They hope for programs to allow themselves to be free software (and available as such on all OS's.)

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Free Software is available on any OS. GNU wants more programs to be Free Software.

You're missing the Point?, though. GNU? wants Everything? to be Free?. That includes the OS, and the BIOS, and the kernel, and the software that's used on the OS, etc.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

tl;dq

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

This pic pretty much sums it up.

I fixed it for you.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Not sure if this was added to OP, or stated before, but Windows can handle many more file formats than macs. This comment on theoatmeal pretty much sums it up:

To play music on a PC: Download Winamp or other similarly lite music player.   Drag.   Drop.   Play.   Enjoy.

To play music on Mac: Load music onto iTunes.   Cry out in shock as iTunes takes the liberty of rearranging all your compilations.   Discover that iTunes won't read FLAC, WMA, and several other format types despite the raves from all your friends who swear that "Mac is SO good with media!"   Download supplementary software that will rearrange your music library into something that makes sense again only to find that it has further jumbled your files.   Download a media converter and look forward to hours of manual conversion.   Cry some more.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Or just use WINE.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

@N1KF:
That fixed pic is true in a way. You don't have to screw around in terminal to do something simple like show hidden files.

@Raiden Very true. Windows can open/edit just about every file type ever made.

@orton I tried once. It didn't work. I cried blood trying to get it to work before giving up and waiting a week until I got home to use all my windows programs.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I'm pretty sure there was a topic last year about this and now a new one comes up...

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I'm pretty sure there was a topic last year about this and now a new one comes up...

I'm pretty sure it's the same one.

For the record, I'm pretty sure someone else made the gravedig, not Gaming_Guy. He must have deleted his post.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I think it was a spambot under the name of wangwu0510. Hence the quote in Gaming_Guy's post.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Why Unix is better:

     Can run on less hardware.

     Faster Boot Time

Erhm.. I'm pretty sure Unix has more features than that. No really, probably more than 69 features.

@D55 I think you werent trying to wine a .exe program? And there are other ways to compete a program without using wine. I don't really know that much but my brother fixed alike 15 programs of mine without the usage of wine, because it didn't work.

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@^
I was trying to load .exes, it just kept throwing errors at my face.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Another reason why I like Windows (you might be able to do this with Linux): you can make one yourself for a fraction of the price.

Apple is a software company making hardware. The iPhone, iPad, iPod, et al - they're all terrific. But an entire computer? That's a little out of their ballpark. The iMac reminds me of a giant iPad: there's nothing groundbreaking being brought to the table, and it's so much more expensive than what it needs to be.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

OP go bye-bye

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Another reason why I like Windows (you might be able to do this with Linux): you can make one yourself for a fraction of the price.

Make one what?

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