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JadElClemens

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I'd rebuke your points but your arguments fail at corresponding well to my points. You don't really make it clear whose points you're arguing.

I do apologize for messing with your topic, though. I agree, it was quite childish of me.

I don't apologize for starting the   GNU/Linux? debate.

I'd like to address one of your recurring points, concerning the software center.

When you get software from a software center, it is installed and updated automatically and is proven to be secure and legitimate (otherwise it wouldn't be in the center at all). Windows doesn't have this, and for programs that you install (That don't auto-update), you have to reinstall them whenever a new version of it is out, plus there's the chance that it's malicious and isn't even what it claims to be.
tl;dr: Research more.

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Deetz

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

windows

xputnameherex

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When you get software from a software center, it is installed and updated automatically and is proven to be secure and legitimate (otherwise it wouldn't be in the center at all). Windows doesn't have this, and for programs that you install (That don't auto-update), you have to reinstall them whenever a new version of it is out, plus there's the chance that it's malicious and isn't even what it claims to be.
tl;dr: Research more.

This is exactly the Windows 8 Store. I'm not sure about the Mac App Store, as I don't use it, but the Windows 8 Store.

JadElClemens

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

But Windows 8 is nothing but a consumer preview at this point, and current iterations of Windows don't have it: hence, it is a pro for GNU/Linux?-running PCs and Mac-running PCs.

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xputnameherex

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But Windows 8 is nothing but a consumer preview at this point, and current iterations of Windows don't have it: hence, it is a pro for GNU/Linux?-running PCs and Mac-running PCs.

Doesn't matter what it is, it is still easily available and a Windows OS.

Watashii

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User's stupidity if they get a virus. Shouldn't visit so many inappropriate content sites. If a person is hammering a nail in and they hit their thumb, it's their fault, not the hammer's.

Huh, it seems that you managed to ignore what I was saying entirely. Look, I can even copy-paste it again, since I assume that you missed it the first time around, or that I wasn't really clear enough:
I wouldn't consider this a valid response to the argument, as it seems to be about the possibility of the OS getting a virus. About if it's susceptible to viruses or not. So while it may be true that stupid people run shady software from untrustworthy websites, it isn't relevant. What's relevant here is the fact that the OS in question has major security flaws which makes virus-making an easy job, thus leading to a lot of scary viruses on the internet. Another thing that comes into play here is the fact that Windows is by far the most popular OS for home users. That means that it will attract more hackers creating viruses for it compared to an operating system with a low market share, such as OS X.

So while it is true that *nixes can get viruses, the likelihood of it happening is far lower compared to Windows.

And thus, the *nixes are quite indeed more secure.

I can't figure out how the hammer metaphor is even applied here. When you're making a contest between several OSes, such as this thread, you're making a comparison between them. Something your metaphor ignores, as it take a single item.

Here, let me fix your metaphor for you:
There are two hammers. One of them has a bit of a loose head, the end which you hit things with. It's still perfectly usable, though, and you'd have to be an idiot to slam it down too hard. Because if you do, the upper part might fly off and hit someone/something. You just have to be a bit more careful.
The other hammer doesn't have any flaws like a loose head. You can slam it down how hard you want, as there isn't a great risk of it coming off.

What you are saying with your reasoning is that the hammer with the well-attached head isn't any safer than the other one.

Fdoou

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I use a PC.
I remember when the school got mac books... None of them worked, and the one that did put some suspicious files on my USB as soon as I plugged it in, and it wouldn't let me delete them. Plus, they were very dirty because they were white. I had to use a different computer to get them off. All the mac books were in a pile at the back of the room. The end.

doomy64

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@xputnameherex
How about this: Until you have tried both Linux AND Windows,you can't say which one is better.
Also,Windows isn't good at virus protection at all.It misses the biggest virus of all,Windows.
Yeah,I went there

Twipply

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How about this: Until you have tried both Linux AND Windows,you can't say which one is better.

I suggest you go jump off a cliff because otherwise you can't know if life is better than death.

I'll wait.

doomy64

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I suggest you go jump off a cliff because otherwise you can't know if life is better than death.

But when I jump of the cliff I would die therefore I can't tell you is death is better than life

BlazingX

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

mac is better but it was created using microsoft software so mac is prety much the new windows

they nare expensive fancy pcs but as takoman said:

10 months and 15 days ago...

Macs are designed with bright colors and bouncing icons, which amuse children. I don't want to be amused, I don't even want it to look pretty, I just like to get 'work' done; which is why I prefer PC's.

For the work I do, I depend on support and capability. Not looks. Not overwhelming prices. Yes, some (and I use the term graciously) Macs can be cheap, but overall they're through the roof.

I think they should stick to iPods and other simple media devices.

so mac is for rich spoilt brats who get everything they want while pcs belong to people who earned the

(still would like a mac though but they're too complicated)

ps doomy shut up linux sucks (no wonder hedgehogs use it)

xputnameherex

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@Watashii: User's. Stupidity. I understand what you're saying, and accept that there are more viruses out for Windows, but it doesn't matter. As long as you even know how to use the hammer at all, you won't hit yourself.

@Doomy: Lol.

*Backspaces a lot* Well, it seems Twipply used the same allegory I was going to use, death.

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doomy64

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

ps doomy shut up linux sucks (no wonder hedgehogs use it)

Give me 5 valid reasons why Linux sucks

Different55

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I like linux. I can run linux on my PSP. You can't do that with your Mac, can ya? No, you can't.

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Djrulz

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I like linux. I can run linux on my PSP. You can't do that with your Mac, can ya? No, you can't.

THIS^

But i will say Mac and linux are rather similar especially since they are both unix-based software.
However,linux made their's from scratch.(and their software is open-source)
Windows?I have used it.....the only pluses i found were that it can run games that linux cannot because of the companies not making it for linux due to linux not being the most popular OS.(this is why some   people dual boot computers)
Also,windows isn't free unless you pirate it.If you buy it preinstalled windows is calculated into the cost of the computer thus making it more cost-efficient and better protected to buy a commputer/netbook with no OS and install linux.(I personally like Arch linux and Ubuntu
One more thing is that linux has less background processes than windows thus making it run better and increase battery life.

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Ratburntro44

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

^Unless it has changed since I learned this, the way the manufacturer deals work with Microsoft requires them to still pay Microsoft even if Windows isn't on the computer.

So buying a computer from a company that sells Windows PCs without an OS would still involve paying for Windows :/.

Also, how exactly are you arguing that "linux made their's from scratch"?

JadElClemens

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

Everyone made theirs from scratch, so that's not necessarily a valid argument.

GNU/Linux, like Java, is sort of "built" to be a versatile, multi-platform OS. It can be on a server, on a PC like we see here, on most mobile devices, etc. Windows is mainly for PCs and, in the future, tablets, and Apple pretty much makes up a new Mac OS for every iDevice they release. That's not to argue any point, but that's just something I've noticed.

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I like linux. I can run linux on my PSP. You can't do that with your Mac, can ya? No, you can't.

I can run Windows 8 on my phone and my X-Box (Beta Program).

Boom.

JadElClemens

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I can run Windows 8 on a device it's practically optimized for and my Microsoft-made console (Beta Program).

FTFY.

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Different55

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I like linux. I can run linux on my PSP. You can't do that with your Mac, can ya? No, you can't.

I can run Windows 8 on my phone and my X-Box (Beta Program).

Boom.

Yeah... but those are all microsoft products and are more powerful than my PSP. My psp runs at an itteh bitteh 333Mhz when it's overclocked to da max. 32/64MB of RAM (mine has 64MB but older versions of the PSP have 32MB and it still runs fine on those).

WHAT NOW.

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doomy64

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I like linux. I can run linux on my PSP. You can't do that with your Mac, can ya? No, you can't.

I can run Windows 8 on my phone and my X-Box (Beta Program).

Boom.

I can run Linux on my Wii

Boom.

xputnameherex

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

I like linux. I can run linux on my PSP. You can't do that with your Mac, can ya? No, you can't.

I can run Windows 8 on my phone and my X-Box (Beta Program).

Boom.

I can run Linux on my Wii

Boom.

First of all, lol, Wii. Second of all, is it readily available and already running no matter what, as soon as you get the Wii? And do you have it on your phone? No.

JadElClemens

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First of all, lol, Wii. Second of all, is it readily available and already running no matter what, as soon as you get the Wii? And do you have it on your phone? No.

None of those questions made sense to me at all.
Yes, if you're running any sort of modern phone OS, you're running the Linux kernel along with it. Ever heard of Android? Linux-based. Even most cheaper phone OSes are, I believe, Linux-based.

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First of all, lol, Wii. Second of all, is it readily available and already running no matter what, as soon as you get the Wii? And do you have it on your phone? No.

Hey look it's points flying over xputnameherex's head again, and him being uneducated while responding with things that contradicts statements he previously made. Also with him trying to "win" while being so cool and edgy. :rolleyes:

It seems that you're using the "ready out of the box" argument against devices like the Wii, because it was implied that they didn't come with pre-installed software (in this case, a Linux-based OS). Care to explain how you manage to do that while at the same time stating in your OP that you don't consider that as a valid point for Macs?

Linux is installable on practically any device with a C compiler made for it. As it runs on a whole lot of hardware due to that, versions of it that works on the obscure pieces of hardware have popped up. On a lot of non-obscure hardware as well. For instance, there is a (not well made, but still) flavor of it optimized for the Nintendo DS. I also recall someone putting it on their Amazon Kindle.

You probably use some advice with a version of Linux running on it every day, without really knowing. Like what JadElClemens said.   Another real-life example: some routers come with openwrt or ddwrt installed as the firmware on them, and both are Linux-based. You might as well have one, or have used one someplace else.

It's interesting that you tried to make a point against this by listing your phone and you xbox, when those advices are just a small part of the the computing world.

xputnameherex

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Re: Mac Vs. Windows Vs. Unix

What I mean is you can actually do the same things on your phone and your computer, AND your X-Box. Who cares if they're Linux-based, it doen't really do anything.