2012 Presidential Election

JadElClemens · Before February 2015

I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

JadElClemens wrote:

I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?

Can't we have an OFF-TOPIC serious discussion without ponies being brought up?

Ratburntro44 · Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

JadElClemens wrote:
I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?
Can't we have an OFF-TOPIC serious discussion without ponies being brought up?

Politics itself is more of a joke than ponies.

Tako · Before February 2015

Jaybm wrote:

TakoMan02 wrote:
[snip]
Did you read through all these, or just copy and paste it?

I don't see why I can't do both. Source. I'm actually being generous here, if I were to factor in the misleading statements you would have been looking at a list close to 90 incorrect statements.

Jaybm wrote:

I'd hope that you didn't actually think many of these are "lies".

I do think many of these are lies. 100% of them are incorrect or illogical, anyway, and a whopping 100% of them were signed off as truth.

My use of "lie" encompasses untruths marketed as truth, whether it be intentional or not. This isn't the classical definition of a lie; my apologies.

Jaybm wrote:

First, many of these are opinions, for example: "Ronald Reagan?s philosophy of "peace through strength" is why "the Iranians released the hostages on the same day and at the same hour that Reagan was sworn in."" His own personal views are not lies.

A theory is not the same as a personal view. There is absolutely nothing personal about this statement, nor with any of these.

The negotiable ones are theories, and theories are commonly shown to be illogical and in its own sense "rebuked". This is one of them. This is a theory, and therefore I can show it to be illogical. Illogical meaning realistically wrong.

These are half-lies if you want to be technical. It can go both ways. If he's legitimately ignorant and thinks this is true, he's not lying. If he has the slightest hint that what he's saying could be wrong and refuses to validate it, or if he has validated it and he knows it's wrong, then he is lying.

In my eyes, it's a lie no matter what. Mitt Romney is a smart man. I'm not going to buy ignorance from him for a second. He knows exactly what he's doing, and that is manipulating facts to fit the scenario. It's a good business tactic, but not something I want in my president.

Jaybm wrote:

Second, there is a fine, fine line between having a wrong statistic and telling a lie. Presidents don't know everything. They aren't the God of knowledge. If your teacher asks you, "What is 2 + 2?" and you answer "5". Is that telling a lie too? No, it's simply just a wrong answer.

A politician is not excused if they are wrong. They are still accountable for their untruth. Whether or not it is a technical lie varies.

Jaybm wrote:

Thirdly, Many of these "lies" are actually not lies, he simply rounded numbers and such so its approximate, rather than dead on.

Actually, very, very few (none) of these have been legitimately rounded. I can understand rounding to the nearest penny, dollar, five, and even ten in some scenarios. But when you start rounding by hundreds, thousands, and even trillions, it is entirely misleading and the truth should debase the speaker. Innocent hundredths can mean hundreds of dollars depending on the calculation you're executing, and that is why rounding is commonly frowned upon.

I think you'll find that on very few occasions will rounding be allowed. Oftentimes precision is vital. This is one of those times.

Jaybm wrote:

Oh, not to mention Obama's massive lie that he's still breaking today, when he said that he will NOT be running for a second term.

When/where did he say that? And what makes it important? Why should it be important?
I understand that you may be shocked at just how many unique lies someone can tell in just a few months on national television, but that is my main point here.

They both lie a lot, and ironically enough I don't care about the amount of lies in comparison (even though, statistically, Romney lies more often). It's the fact Romney so blatantly lies after continually being called out on it and how he changes his stance on almost every topic every time he goes in public that really gets on my nerves. I can't respect someone that does that, and Obama very rarely does it in comparison.

My main point here is that he is either a liar or a fool, your pick. I don't see a difference. All those statements are either fallacious or just plain wrong, and you wouldn't be crazy if you didn't trust a thing he said.

krubby · Before February 2015

JadElClemens wrote:

I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?

Not me! I could open a glue factory for the anti-bronies who HATE ponies and have them pay me to turn their pony into glue, gelatin and dog-food. I'd make a fortune!

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

A good way to see what candidate you side with the most is ISideWith. Just answer the questions and it will tell you how often you side with each candidate on each major issue.
I ended up siding with Jill Stein 85% of the time (Green Party candidate), Barack Obama 84% of the time, Gary Johnson 54% of the time, and Willard Romney a whopping 7%.

JadElClemens · Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

JadElClemens wrote:
I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?
Can't we have an OFF-TOPIC serious discussion without ponies being brought up?

I don't see very many discussions ever where ponies are brought up.

krubby wrote:

JadElClemens wrote:
I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?
Not me! I could open a glue factory for the anti-bronies who HATE ponies and have them pay me to turn their pony into glue, gelatin and dog-food. I'd make a fortune!

Where are you getting anti- or pro- bronies from anyways? It's best for all of us that you don't pull things out of nowhere. What have ponies ever done to you, help win wars and contribute greatly to the entire [taxonomical group] of horses?

krubby · Before February 2015

JadElClemens wrote:

krubby wrote:
JadElClemens wrote:
I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?
Not me! I could open a glue factory for the anti-bronies who HATE ponies and have them pay me to turn their pony into glue, gelatin and dog-food. I'd make a fortune!
Where are you getting anti- or pro- bronies from anyways? It's best for all of us that you don't pull things out of nowhere. What have ponies ever done to you, help win wars and contribute greatly to the entire [taxonomical group] of horses?

I don't got anything against ponies, I'm just quick to take advantage of sure fire money makin schemes. If anti-bronies are given ponies, then some would make a big deal of killing theirs for other stuff to **** off bronies. And all of this is mostly jocular, seeing as that this is when Supreme becomes president. (btw, ponies have next to no contribution to the horse family).

Alex · Before February 2015

There are a lot of misinformed people on here holy cow, I honestly don't have time to quote all the people I KNEW said something completely factualy unture, yet alone the people who said things that I suspect to be untrue but I'd need to do a lot of fact checking first
Romney in the debates seemed to attribute all his success in MA to bipartisanship, which is something very hard to achieve at the federal level
Romney also has being changing his views to appeal to more people, when people liked it in MA, Romney passed the bill that "obamacare" is based on, but now that the Republicans want him to be against it, he is, and if you look at his track record it really sounds like he doesn't actually believe in anything, and he's just lying his way to the top

krubby · Before February 2015

Alex wrote:

There are a lot of misinformed people on here holy cow, I honestly don't have time to quote all the people I KNEW said something completely factualy unture, yet alone the people who said things that I suspect to be untrue but I'd need to do a lot of fact checking first
Romney in the debates seemed to attribute all his success in MA to bipartisanship, which is something very hard to achieve at the federal level
Romney also has being changing his views to appeal to more people, when people liked it in MA, Romney passed the bill that "obamacare" is based on, but now that the Republicans want him to be against it, he is, and if you look at his track record it really sounds like he doesn't actually believe in anything, and he's just lying his way to the top

That's why I hope he's just tricking the Republicans until he's in office, and once he is he'll be an amazingly good centrist like he was in MA.

JadElClemens · Before February 2015

krubby wrote:

JadElClemens wrote:
krubby wrote:
Not me! I could open a glue factory for the anti-bronies who HATE ponies and have them pay me to turn their pony into glue, gelatin and dog-food. I'd make a fortune!
Where are you getting anti- or pro- bronies from anyways? It's best for all of us that you don't pull things out of nowhere. What have ponies ever done to you, help win wars and contribute greatly to the entire [taxonomical group] of horses?
I don't got anything against ponies, I'm just quick to take advantage of sure fire money makin schemes. If anti-bronies are given ponies, then some would make a big deal of killing theirs for other stuff to **** off bronies. And all of this is mostly jocular, seeing as that this is when Supreme becomes president. (btw, ponies have next to no contribution to the horse family).

But I'm having a hard time seeing where bronies come in.

N1KF · Before February 2015

Arceus64 wrote:

Number(1)KirbyFan10 wrote:
Addi wrote:
If not a racist, then heavily indoctrinated.
But seriously, you are showing a bad face of what-so-called America.
good/go?od/
snipa
bad/bad/
snipa
Just a reminder.
You think you sound so professional by showing definitions of everyday words, are you really like this?

No, and I "change" personalities often.

Arceus64 wrote:

JadElClemens wrote:
I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?
Can't we have an OFF-TOPIC serious discussion without ponies being brought up?

Ponies are off-topic, and serious. Maybe I can convince a mod to make a forum just for bronies.
*makes a grin "almost" a trollface*

krubby wrote:

JadElClemens wrote:
I think if I could vote I'd probably go Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone, who can disagree with that?
Not me! I could open a glue factory for the anti-bronies who HATE ponies and have them pay me to turn their pony into glue, gelatin and dog-food. I'd make a fortune!

Pony friends! Come over here, on my ship, to my top secret base! It's at Planet Xeronothee! We need to get all ponies in Equestria!

Shift · Before February 2015

Obama's been nothing but detrimental as of yet. I desperately hope we can all agree that his programs, especially ObamaCare, are just plain wrong.

However, Romney's not only a profusive liar, but a total **** as well. I started choking when I heard his comment on the Apartheid!

If there were ever a chance for a third party victory, it's now. Not that it's going to happen.

Zoey2070 wrote:

but seriously? blindly choosing someone who you don't even know just because they aren't obama? racist or just heavily indoctrinated?

Did... did you really just go there? No, just... no.

N1KF · Before February 2015

Shift, I may just add you to THE LIST.

Current people in here:

Atilla
DryKirby64
Michaelan/" "
xputnameherex/RelaxZen1
Zoey2070

Different55 · Before February 2015

Hold on, didn't Obama say somewhere that if things didn't start getting better by year 3 then he wouldn't go for a second term? What happened to that?

krubby · Before February 2015

Different55 wrote:

Hold on, didn't Obama say somewhere that if things didn't start getting better by year 3 then he wouldn't go for a second term? What happened to that?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

check it, stuff is gettin better. Federal spending is goin down and tax revenue is goin up. The government is gettin their act together and have been since last year.

Terence22205 · Before February 2015

Saintcool wrote:

Why would anyone vote for someone called Mitt.

His real name is Willard. Does that help?

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

terence22205 wrote:

Saintcool wrote:
Why would anyone vote for someone called Mitt.
His real name is Willard. Does that help?

Makes it worse.

Shift · Before February 2015

Number(1)KirbyFan10 wrote:

Shift, I may just add you to THE LIST.
Current people in here:
Atilla
DryKirby64
Michaelan/" "
xputnameherex/RelaxZen1
Zoey2070

o.o What's "THE LIST"?

Zoey2070 · Before February 2015

Shift wrote:

Obama's been nothing but detrimental as of yet. I desperately hope we can all agree that his programs, especially ObamaCare, are just plain wrong.
However, Romney's not only a profusive liar, but a total **** as well. I started choking when I heard his comment on the Apartheid!
If there were ever a chance for a third party victory, it's now. Not that it's going to happen.
Zoey2070 wrote:
but seriously? blindly choosing someone who you don't even know just because they aren't obama? racist or just heavily indoctrinated?
Did... did you really just go there? No, just... no.

i might have been joking

Number(1)KirbyFan10:
First of all, listen, I do not want to be on your stupid 'I hate you because your opinion is different than mine) hit list, okay?
I have incredibly controversial opinions and can't even fathom how some people can think things, but you know what? They have their beliefs and I have mine. I don't care about their opinions. The only reason I dislike anyone is because of their personality, how they treat others, and how they treat me.
Right now I am disliking you just a smudge, because you know what? Removing people as friends and adding people to vaguely named lists that seem to be a bit sinister is not okay.

Get over yourself, pull your head out of your ****, and stop what you're doing. How about you try to do this thing called 'agreeing to disagree' instead of saying 'baaw i don't like you because we don't like the same presidental candidate'.

Koto · Before February 2015

krubby · Before February 2015

I just voted for Obama a while ago because I want to make SB&HJ referennces. Bet you can't find a better/worse reason for voting for someone.

"borack bobdama STILL haven't got the hang of this ecolomy thing yet; "

Last edited by krubby (Nov 6 2012 7:19:40 pm)

TheGreenTroll · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

TheGreenTroll wrote:
I wanted Ron Paul for the U.S president.
A lot of people, myself included, did. I'm not entirely sure why he quit.

Money, I believe. I wanted to donate, but since I'm from Sweden I couldn't. Alas, the lying established media and the burglarious bankers worked against him. It's not an easy task to fight against the people who control the news flow and those who control the world economy. Although, he, with his supporters, worked valiantly for righteousness, enlightening many people.

Tako · Before February 2015

This is intense, and Comcast has chosen the absolute worst time to have technical problems. It seems to be better now, but for the last hour it's been in-and-out in my area.

As of this Romney's at 82 and Obama's at 64 electoral votes.

Can't decide to watch sxephil or CNN...

Shift wrote:

Obama's been nothing but detrimental as of yet. I desperately hope we can all agree that his programs, especially ObamaCare, are just plain wrong.
However, Romney's not only a profusive liar, but a total **** as well. I started choking when I heard his comment on the Apartheid!

Well-put, I suppose. Government spending, tax revenue, and gas prices, and job unemployment have taken a very nice turn recently, so I wouldn't say Obama is completely detrimental.

Obamacare is debatable, especially in comparison to Romneycare (is that what we're calling it? or "the voucher system"?).

Ratburntro44 · Before February 2015

Alex wrote:

he's just lying his way to the top

Is there really any other way?

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