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Re: Sexism in Comics

Omg walls and walls and walls of text... you all need to write a book... this is a message board not a novel board...

I think you both are arguing just to be arguing now...

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Calicara

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Re: Sexism in Comics

Anyway. Im about as anti sexism as they come. But I find this whole "fat is beauty" movement that has been growing on facebook and other places kinda strange. Fat is not beauty, fat is unhealthy. Personally I would not want to date someone who doesn't take care of themseleves. Excersize and healthy eating is important for your body, and your mental state of mind. I understand that there is a difference between fat and obese, but the line is blurring everyday. Im sure there are some obese people that say "im just overweight," and people still use the "big boned" line . THis is the same for men and women. Im not saying that men should all have 6 packs and killer muscles, or that women should be super skinny. But you should not be unhealthily overweight either.

I agree and disagree. People who are overweight don't bother me insofar as they are not using their weight as an excuse to make people feel bad for them. I think people are pathetic who need to use a zippy cart in the grocery store because they are so overweight they can't walk. I also think it's pathetic when fat people take the elevator to go from the "first floor" to the "second floor" in a building. As long as people don't use their weight to feign pity, I'm indifferent.
Also, you never really know why people are overweight. Some people genuinely have eating disorders. Some people just gain weight really easily. Some people just can't afford to eat right, like in America it's cheaper to buy bread and bologna and chips, than fresh vegetables and fresh fruit. It's also cheaper to buy soda than water. I personally don't drink soda, but a I know a lot of people do. You don't have to find 'beauty' in fat people, but you shouldn't give them a negative judgement either is my point. They should be treated with the same respect as everyone else (insofar as they aren't trying to make you pity them.)

treejoe4

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Re: Sexism in Comics

fat people are usually fat because they are lazy, and because they are often stuipid, it's not a lifestyle, it's a disease

Calicara

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fat people are usually fat because they are lazy, and because they are often stuipid, it's not a lifestyle, it's a disease

People like you are the reason bullying exists. Obesity is not a disease it's a choice. Education and maturity level have nothing to do with weight. Let me know when you learn about feelings, I don't think you have any.

treejoe4

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fat people are usually fat because they are lazy, and because they are often stuipid, it's not a lifestyle, it's a disease

People like you are the reason bullying exists. Obesity is not a disease it's a choice. Education and maturity level have nothing to do with weight. Let me know when you learn about feelings, I don't think you have any.

Education and maturity have everything to do with it for anyone who is not subjected to weight related diseases. I don't have many feelings for someone who is severely obese, because to get that fat takes a large amount of time and work, then that person expects tax paid medical treatment, and wider doors just to accommodate their own disgusting habits.

You can act like it's all just a matter of choice, but the fact is there is obesity levels sky rocketing in the west. It's an unhealthy lifestyle that should not be promoted or respected in anyway. Just like drug addicts, obese people are sick.

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Calicara

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Education and maturity have everything to do with it for anyone who is not subjected to weight related diseases. I don't have many feelings for someone who is severely obese, because to get that fat takes a large amount of time and work, then that person expects tax paid medical treatment, and wider doors just to accommodate their own disgusting habits.

You can act like it's all just a matter of choice, but the fact is there is obesity levels sky rocketing in the west. It's an unhealthy lifestyle that should not be promoted or respected in anyway. Just like drug addicts, obese people are sick.

Ok then, I'm going to go tell my literary theory professor that he is dumb and immature, because according to your standards that is all fat people can be. Maybe if you opened your eyes and read what I said "People who are overweight   shouldn't bother anyone insofar as they are not using their weight as an excuse to make people feel bad for them." I know lots of obese people who don't feign pity for their weight. They live normal educated lives with no health disorders. People like you are the reason fat people get depressed and have eating disorders to begin with. Of course if you tell someone they are ugly they are not going to get upset. People shouldn't have to change anyways just because sexist people like you can't stand the fact that there are other people who aren't like you. Grow up Treegoist4. The only person with a sickness here is you.

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treejoe4

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This is not a matter of "That's who they are", because being obese isn't like choosing what hair dye you want. It's a serious issue that is growing in the west and is causing many health issues especially as people age.

I am not part of the problem why people develop disorders, I do not bully fat people now and never have. The reason why people develop eating disorders like these is because of people like you who support weight gain as part of their 'image'. And as a consequence they are tormented by others.

There is nothing normal about being obese, it's a human characteristic that has popped up in the modern world. Being obese is disgusting, it's a sign of many fundamental personality flaws such as laziness and greed, get over it.

I cannot grasp how you can even not think being obese is an embarrassing and gross image, no wonder nobody want's to draw them in comics. The only people who do are people with a fat fetish.

There is a reason you do not see obese wild animals.

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Calicara

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Except your wrong. Being obese IS a lifestyle choice. Unless you have a disorder in which you literally cannot exercise, then everyday a fat person is fat is because they choose to be fat. They must reaffirm everyday that they choose to be fat. They make the choice to continue the action/s which causes them to be fat. When a fat person comes to terms with their weight, they can choose to ignore it or change something about their lifestyle in order to lose weight.
In my opinion, yes opinion, there is a difference between fat and obese. No one should be so obese they need medical attention. However there are people who are fat who don't need medical help, they are just slightly overweight due to one reason or another. They should not be forced to changed because you don't want to accept their image. I am not the reason for obesity, because I am not encouraging weight gain, I am only advocating that people should be more accepting of fat as an image. It might be an aspect of modern society, but that doesn't mean it should be shunned.

it's a sign of many fundamental personality flaws such as laziness and greed, get over it.

Again, not true. In America foods that are unhealthy are greatly cheaper than food that is healthy. I would argue monetary wealth is more associated with a slim figure, because people who have money can afford to buy healthy food, go to gyms, and/or have a personal trainer. People with little money, especially those with large families, are probably more likely to buy unhealthy food because it is all they can afford. These same people can still exercise for free, but what motivation do they have when people like demonize them into feeling horrible about their image.

I cannot grasp how you can even not think being obese is an embarrassing and gross image, no wonder nobody want's to draw them in comics

I've watched a few cartoons with obese characters, none of which are weak characters. There is Murry from Sly Cooper (well that's a video game, but it's still a cartoon.) and there is Clay from Xiaolin Showdown. Both characters are larger then the counterparts, yet they are still powerful characters in their own sense. They don't work to change, they embrace who they are. They find ways to celebrate themselves, and they are strong characters.
You don't get people to be better people by telling them to change who they are. You should learn to embrace a persons differences and teach them how to apply their skills in the ways that they can. Some people are just never going to be skinny, some people don't want to be skinny, doesn't make them any less of a person. As I've said before, as long people are not so morbidly obese they need zippy carts or are racking up medical bills, I don't have a problem with it.

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Tako

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Re: Sexism in Comics

On the topic of the comics, I agree that it's an unreasonable standard.   But that standard is only adopted among those who are shallow.   Disregard those people.   Problem solved.   If you try to attract people based on a facade then you're begging for a divorce or split up.

On the topic of social equality, I feel that we should not push back against Darwinism just so that everyone gets a treated equally.   When you fight Darwinism, people die.   It's important to remember that obesity and anorexia are unhealthy.   I feel like certain sects of feminism want to eradicate all judgements based on weight.   If they are successful in that, which they never will be, then our society's health as a whole will go straight down the toilet.

That being said, I think it would be most prudent to let people form their own opinions instead of trying to manufacture them.   And by that I mean, don't tell someone "being skinny with huge breasts is attractive", and don't tell them "being obese is equally attractive as being average weight."   Let Darwinism take its course.   I think that the opinions we form about the people we like are but the combination of a little culture and a lot of survival instinct, and that the success of these opinions result in the success of humanity.

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mrjawapa

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Re: Sexism in Comics

When you fight Darwinism, people die.

I feel like this perfectly sums up the Hunger Games

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Pyromaniac

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Re: Sexism in Comics

To be fair, failgirl has some decent points, such as money issues and genetics. Your body shape etc is genetic TO AN EXTENT, but you shouldn't use that as an excuse to be lazy. If you're fat youre fat, and thats that, (lol) I wont judge you or think of you negatively for it, but I still think that if at all possible you should try to take charge of that aspect of your life.
That being said, I also completely agree with Tako when he says that you can't decide that being obese is "good" or "beautiful" to try to justify a (USUALLY) bad lifestyle choice. Most of the time its through a fault of your own, and not because of genetics or poverty.

Calicara

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Re: Sexism in Comics

Fat and Skinny are just social constructions. Besides, a lot of the argument about how being overweight causes health problems is a myth. Health problems are mostly just from obesity. Anyone under 250 pounds seems fine to me. There is lots of controversy about this even among academic scholars, but a lot of my bias is from personal experience. (yes I am overweight) But I have had no health problems. I get a cold once a year and that's about it. I don't have diabetes, I don't ask people to pity me, and I don't ask for special treatment. I act like a nothing is wrong with me, because nothing is wrong with me. People who think otherwise are misjudging me. I also hate the myth that fat people smell, because that is also not true.
If its any consolation though, my mom wants to take up biking this summer so I might lose some weight. I'm not overly concerned about it though, my weight has never affected me before.

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Pyromaniac

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I wouldn't say they are "social constructs", I think they are RELATIVE to what society you are in, but there comes a point when fat is fat. I think overweight is also blurry because there can be other factors, and the 'average' is standardized to include many different demographics, body types, etc. Im mainly talking about like obese level people. THAT is unhealthy, for sure. I still think that being overweight is ok, but why not lose weight for the heck of it?

Im not talking down to you, i didn't even know you were overweight. I completely feel the struggle of losing weight. After I quit swimming this year due to a crazy musical schedule, I have had a hard time finding time to excersize. Its hard to motivate myself, especially when im tired and cranky. Its a weird thing, because its all so relative. I was mainly talking about obese obese people when i said it was unhealthy.

Calicara

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I try not to use personal argument so much, especially because I don't know what is is like for other overweight people. I actually am very healthy, every time I go to the doctor the only real problem is that I'm a little overweight. I do agree though there is a line between overweight and obese.
One time I went to a Texas themed restaurant to get steak with my brother, and this family that sat next to us was just huge. I mean I think the parent were somewhere over 300 pounds, and the kids were like mini whales. THAT is when obesity goes wrong. Being a little overweight is gonna kill anyone though lol. Besides, my goals in life mostly entail computers and art so I don't see myself as needing to be extremely physically fit to begin with.

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Fdoou

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Re: Sexism in Comics

It's not even funny, going into a restaurant in the usa. I mean sure, you joke about it, but it's not even a joke anymore when you go in

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Re: Sexism in Comics

Referring to your other topic about fan fiction, why are you criticizing people who sit all day at their computer writing stories and not do something productive when all you're doing is sitting at your LazyBoy rolling chair and arguing with random people you dont even know ? ;| You may think that you've accomplished something and have a satisfied grin when you win an argument, but when you close the computer screen, what have you accomplished? Nothing. :0
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I'm a man of my word.

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Calicara

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Referring to your other topic about fan fiction, why are you criticizing people who sit all day at their computer writing stories and not do something productive when all you're doing is sitting at your LazyBoy rolling chair and arguing with random people you dont even know ? ;| You may think that you've accomplished something and have a satisfied grin when you win an argument, but when you close the computer screen, what have you accomplished? Nothing. :0

First of all I don't sit at the computer all day in a rolling chair, that would be just unhealthy. Secondly, I speak on behalf of awareness. Educating someone on a topic which effects their lives can be important. If you must know though I plan on taking a hiatus. I think I've posted 3 topics? In the last 2 weeks. That's a bit much even for me. I have to let the flames die down and think of something else to complain about. No reason to whine about everything at once.
EDIT: Also love the forum sigs love. If I'm gonna be the resident egomanic mine as well take it with pride

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Fdoou

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Re: Sexism in Comics

seriously, it's just a sad ride into a locked topic. there are better places to discuss things, and you won't get your discussion locked because of...

what are these even locked for anymore? being a topic by you?

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Re: Sexism in Comics

All of failgirl's topics:

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Bimps

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Calicara

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seriously, it's just a sad ride into a locked topic. there are better places to discuss things, and you won't get your discussion locked because of...

what are these even locked for anymore? being a topic by you?

There are two reasons. One, I lock topics if I run out of plausible arguments. No reason to look stupid or reiterate. Two, if I feel like all I have left to say is going to get me banned, I have the topic gone before I say what I might say otherwise.

All of failgirl's topics:

KingOfTheOzone, it is ok, some of the best people are underrated at first. I am used to people disagreeing with me, so if you so childishly wish to ridicule me so be it. It will not diminish that which is the actual truth.

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Koto

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No, I meant that for everyone contributing to the nonstop flaming.

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Calicara

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No, I meant that for everyone contributing to the nonstop flaming.

Ah well whatever. I've just decided to adopt the egomaniac status anyways since that is how everyone sees me. I am done fighting. Srs though I got homework. I will post something new in a few days...

Bimps

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I will post something new in a few days...