Posts by Satanya

Satanya · Game Discussion

theoldinese wrote:

"incase theres shadow progress" what a cope just give us updates already.
satanyas like "why do people hate me " bro everyone tells you why 5 times a day just do something about it clearly your hush hush method isnt working

Believe it or not we don't owe you updates... We're working on it on our own time with our own money. No one here has paid us anything, and most devs in other companies often times keep silent on games under development. You are not going to get special treatment, whether you whine or stay toxic about it. At this point, move on with your life, or stick around. We're not going to make it pleasant for those of you that can't be patient, and evidently, it seems the unpleasant people are already starting to not have so much fun. Always gotta trust "I've moved on" crowd when they still stick around and act butthurt they aren't getting VIP treatment.

As for "why do people hate me " -- I really don't care...? People are entitled to their own opinion and I'm entitled not to care about them.

Tomahawk wrote:

couldn't keep up the friendly persona longer than 3 months huh

Reminds me of a certain previous owner that also showed his true colours after a bit... what was his name again?

Satanya · Forum Games

Minimania suggested I give this a try, so I'll think about it... :0

Satanya · Game Discussion

Tomahawk wrote:

Replace crown with lamp.

ok, will do!

Satanya · Game Discussion

I can clarify that for you, as I am in charge of the team.

It's the money that's been paid so far. We pay the devs and artist in advance before they begin work, and we agree on what work must be done within what timeframe. Promising money after the fact is just something that doesn't really fly in this business when everyone working does it for a job and not as a hobby. (Basically, why would someone spend a year of dev time, to "maybe" get money in the future, when, with their experience, they can get any other job now and get money as they work?)
So they definitely make hourly rate.

$40k (this is a rough number, the true number is maybe around $35k, at the moment-- but remember, it keeps going up as time goes on) is what has been paid total for programmers (I believe they make up about $25k of that? I'll need to ask Fixel, that may be a way outdated number) and the rest for art, music, and other things (UI design, website). Essentially, they are paid to work, not to communicate with the community.

The number is likely to reach $45k soon, given that I've put together finalised budget estimates for the creative side of the game (the one I am in charge of).

Satanya · Game Discussion

mutantdevle wrote:

Sometimes people would express a dislike for something and suggest improvements and we have made some changes to the things we've shown off based on those comments. But on the other hand, there were some users who were negative about absolutely everything we'd show. Without fail, every time, they would have something negative to say.

I'd like to piggyback off that and present an example. The whole vector art to pixel art change was something we'd done after seeing feedback. Speaking personally, I had my own reservations about the style and once I put all graphics together, I insisted to the team we change it, even after we'd put in a good amount of money on graphics by that point.

I think there were some people that disliked the bunny graphic, and we changed that a bit.

Of course, not every change or suggestion is accepted-- too many cooks in the kitchen and all that, as the saying goes.

We do listen-- but sometimes the things we hear are just downright nasty and counterproductive. And to what end to people say them? I have no clue. At worst, they make one of us feel like crap for a minute, at best we ignore it.

mutantdevle wrote:

I've even seen them completely ridiculing some of the stuff we'd shown in other EE discord servers. They'd never have something productive to say, just that what we had made was bad and sometimes those comments would even cross the line to make comments about the artist who had made them. The latter approach was completely toxic.

Indeed, it's quite draining mentally to read some of the stuff there, which is often toxic for the sake of just being toxic, and negative for the sake of being negative. But that line-- insulting the artist-- was something I had 0 tolerance over and made sure to get rid of the person who did it. I know the artist well, and some people went way too far with what they said to her, to the point that I am appalled at just how nasty people can get. And again, to what end? Why bully someone who already has a very low self-esteem, or someone that's such an easy target? It seems childish to me.

mutantdevle wrote:

There has been a lot of toxicity in the EE! discord over the past 2 years, which is what Satanya is alluding to.

Mutant got that perfectly right. I was alluding to the people on Discord, who occasionally hop on with nothing kind to say. I have to wonder what they stand to gain from it, when usually that all goes ignored.

And it all goes back to this (I have to preface that "you" is general, to the reader, not specifically Zumza or Era):

If you have no desire or interest in the game, don't be a jerk. Leave, move on with your life, and do something else. If you do stay, we just ask that you be a little respectful and nice. That doesn't mean supporting us blindly-- trust me, we're open to constructive criticism. But, keyword: constructive. We have so much to deal with as it is, and signing on just to see endless negativity for the mistakes the previous administrations have made just isn't nice or motivating, and does nothing for morale.

At the end of the day, previous owners acquired an actual functioning game. We didn't. We have to work from scratch and bring the game to a comparable state as EE was towards the end of its life, and at its peak. That is no easy feat. If we wanted, we could have a version of it done in a month. Will it be good? Hell no. But the more time we spend on it and perfect what we can, the better the experience and the game will be. And that's our main focus. We want to make a game that will blow everyone away. Something to continue EE's legacy but also steer it in a new direction and era. But that takes time. All I ask for is patience and a bit of kindness if you stay.

Satanya · Game Discussion

I think what Mutant says sums up my feelings quite well.

mutantdevle wrote:

For now, all we ask from the community is to be patient and respectful. Keeping people engaged with the community is not something we consider necessary at this time because we have full faith in the final product to speak for itself and draw players back in once it's ready. In the meantime, sticking around in the community is everyone's personal choice. But if the people that choose to stick around cannot be patient and respectful, then to be blunt, we don't want them sticking around.

At the end of the day, if you are toxic or a jerk, that doesn't help develop the game. It doesn't achieve anything. Worst thing is, I'll just stay silent about content even more. Because, really, if you're only here to be toxic and you don't want to be patient, we don't want you around.

We have enough stresses to deal with, and logging on to see constant negativity doesn't help me achieve anything in the project. It's not as though I can wave a magic wand, and poof! the game suddenly comes out instantly. We're not robots that work 24/7 and have 0 emotions. I'm human-- I have a very real anxiety disorder that often makes me want to keep shut about the game because I know there'll be some jerk out there to try and ruin others' hype or just be there to be a jerk. Maybe that makes me an easy target for these people, idk, but personally I don't like that at all.

I personally don't want to overshare things about the game. I understand others' craving of gameplay footage, but as I said time and time again, I really, really don't want to show a pre-alpha footage of some buggy gameplay, or an unpolished lighting / particle system, or features that are roughly implemented and not refined, and have that as the expectation. Adjacent to what Kira mentioned, it's like No Man's Sky or other games-- where gameplay in trailers was so super polished up and amazing yet did not reflect the final gameplay, or, again, like NMS or Serious Sam 4, where pre-alpha gameplay leaked and people HATED it and started flaming the entire teams over it and essentially killed their morales (moreso the last of the two I mentioned). My personal approach to gameplay footage when we reveal it, and we will reveal it, is sort of, "what you see is what you get." I don't want to show you some half-assed feature. I also don't want to fake footage and make it seem way cooler than it is. I want you to see exactly what the game will be like when it's in your hands.
I also don't want to overshare anything about the game, as that would raise expectations beyond control. If I bluntly wrote a list of every single feature we had planned, everyone's expectations would vary so much, and might expect things beyond what we might be able to deliver, or vice versa, just leave 0 surprises when the game comes out and make people go, "Oh. There it is." There's a huge, huge, huge feature in EE! I've been keeping quiet on that I seriously can't wait to show, but I don't want to write it out. I don't want to ruin the surprise.

I know my words might not meet everyone's satisfaction-- but the game is getting worked on. We've spent over $30k on it, we're not gonna abandon it. All of the team, programmers, musicians, artists, writers, are paid, except for me. I've put in at least $5k of my own into this game because I definitely have faith the final project will speak for itself. I genuinely trust it'll blow you away. Heck, I've planned most of it, and I'm extremely passionate about the project! Sometimes, I talk about nothing but this game because I genuinely love every single bit of it. But the negativity others put in for the sake of being negative really drains me and all my strength. I work on the game, but I talk less with the community because I know there'll be certain stinkers who just want to be jerks about it. Only certain ones.

The rest of you folks are so, so, so amazing, and I love each and every single one of you that's been patient and kind to us. We haven't forgotten about you, and we genuinely want to deliver a project so epic you'll explode from its awesomeness! (Not literally, I hope, but with excitement!)

And those of you that don't want to be patient or prefer to be toxic-- we don't want you around. Your negativity contributes nothing for our morale or development.

edit: as for monetisation, we do have rough plans, of course. But it's the specifics I don't care to focus on about until the game is at a near final state. For example, how much smileys, and items would cost with energy and money, the exact value of everything, etc... I really don't want to think about it until it's necessary. We want to make a good game and that's our #1 priority. We know how the shop will work, but again, the mathematics of it and such just isn't something I care to focus on. EEU's design doc, if I remember right, was laser focused on monetisation and very little about actual gameplay and features.

Satanya · Game Discussion

mutantdevle wrote:

Just because the monetisation is a low priority does not mean we don't have a plan for it. We also have very clear plans for both the development of the game and building a player base.

▼From EE! Discord

We work with programmers that've been in the industry for 20-25+ years, they wouldn't even think of starting coding the engine and game without a clear and thorough design document and vision. I spent a few weeks writing out a 50-100 page design document outlining absolutely everything that needs to be outlined. That's just how proper games start. Without a design doc, it's like having tons of LEGO pieces I assembled, no instructions, and being told, "here, build what I asked."

The design doc itself will never be public-- usually, in most games, they never do become public anyways. That isn't an indicator of a lack of plan, just a desire to keep things secret.

Satanya · Off Topic Discussion

Minimania wrote:

You look nice :>

Second that, you look pretty!

You folks look cool.

Satanya · Game Business

Word from Fixel.

One dev uses MacOS for development. Two devs are using Linux for development. One uses Windows 10 for development. WebGL client will run pretty much on a potato, and if that's not enough, native client is written on .net with such a minimum requirement that it runs mono framework and on all of those OSes. Mono executable is compiled as a fat binary so it is compatible with both 32 bit and 64 bit OSes. And if that's not enough, you're not our target demographic.
And keep in mind, game engine doesn't run on client. The client just acts as a remote IO (front-end). The engine runs on a Linux server written in highly optimised C++ code.

Satanya · Game Business

Documented code helps nobody if the source is closed, and thus dors not help the portability either.

It helps future devs we bring on to sustain the game.

As for specs, that's not up to me, and I honestly don't know what the minimum target is. And as for our own engine, our devs knew what they were going into when planning and stepping into coding. I think there isn't any dev there with less than 25yrs of experience. I trust their judgement!

Satanya · Game Business

Don't worry, optimisation and accessibility were one of the biggest priorities when deciding on what engine to use. That's actually why we used our own! Unity, and other such ready-made engines, tend to have some trade offs. They aren't the most optimised, some have memory leaks, others aren't as secure as we'd like.
Our engine was built with the idea that everyone will probably be playing this game on a potato. And our devs are very talented people! Unlike EE, where the code consisted of spaghetti, ours is as documented and as efficient as we can make it.

Satanya · Game Discussion

No one said it would be easy. But I don't believe "difficult therefore impossible" is a valid point to make! As mentioned, it's how I'd handle it. I wouldn't make the worlds on my own, of course, similarly to how I don't make the art, programming, and other fields. I leave those to the professionals, and so far it's working out.
As others have mentioned, campaigns have had many more issues past that with execution, which is predominantly why we're doing away with them and not bringing them into EE!. Instead, we're doing something that involves the community and their created worlds and putting an emphasis on worlds that handle the game's mechanics well.

Satanya · Game Discussion

That may be so, but I wouldn't be able to agree or disagree with you here... It is, in the end, my opinion and just that.

I do think the disjointed difficulty curve as well as lack of continuity is what turned me away from campaigns, personally. I would handle them a lot differently if they were to return, which would be extremely unlikely. And even between this large skill gap, having a way to lead-in to each one would have solved many of my own gripes with it. As I mentioned, I do believe that campaigns should've equipped the player with skills necessary for the next difficulty level. Whether that is within 5 worlds or 10, doesn't matter. Not an exact "spoonfeeding" of skill, but enough to give you enough skill to handle at least the first few portions of the next campaign difficulty (first few minigames of the first world), and have it reinforce your skill before ramping up difficulty.

A lack of smooth gradient between difficulty makes it feel as though you've made no progress. If I beat a Medium difficulty campaign and I can't even handle a Hard campaign after that, it feels like I haven't learned anything or made any real progress.

the gap between each is so wide that 5 Everybody Edits levels is just not going to provide a player with enough practice to climb to the next step in the difficulty ladder.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't most difficulties have more than 5 worlds? I remember there being several campaigns with Easy difficulty, as an example.

Satanya · Game Discussion

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

I wasn't really ready for it, or it felt like. Its not worth it for the rewards and time I put onto. I like playing campaigns in increasing difficulty.

I think that the main issue, to me, with campaigns is that their difficulty didn't quite "scale." As mentioned in the Discord (and posted here by N1KF), the issue I find is that beating an Easy campaign won't necessarily equip me with the skills I need to beat the next campaign. There's no sense of continuity. It was the more extremely difficult campaigns where this exact issue is more noticeable, ones that require you to know specific nuances of the engine that weren't covered before, they just appear out of nowhere because they became a trend.

If we were to reintroduce campaigns (no promises, I highly doubt that we will), I'd want them to have some continuity amongst each other, and involve the community a tad in their creation, as long as they are set within a consistent theme. Say, there's a Medium campaign set in a desert, I want it to gradually shift towards a forest, and have the next campaign take place there. I'd want the skills you pick up in Medium campaign and the practice you get be enough to let you pass through the first world in Hard campaign.

Satanya · Game Discussion

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Tbh i'm just impressed this project is still ongoing and not completely dead.

we won't let the project die.
Just that stuff might be slow during this time period, especially with most of our devs out of commission. But, at the very least, it allows us to focus on other aspects of the game with a bit less of a time constraint.

Satanya · Game Business

Hey, everyone,

First off, I would like to say that I wish the best for our friends in Europe-- the situation there right now is very tough, and I worry for all your safety. I have family and friends there, and I honestly wish you all the best. The effects of the war are felt everywhere-- and, unfortunately, in our development team.

One of our artists has quit in the last week, due to recent sanctions against Russia and the blocking of PayPal. One of our lead devs is Ukrainian (and has had to flee the country). We have two other devs in Ukraine as well. There isn't a way to sugarcoat it-- development is taking a hit. And there is nothing we can really do about that but stay patient and hope for the safety of our team!

I am writing this post to ask you, the EE community, to show support and patience in these trying times. Within the context of this community, I cannot deny the effects of previous false promises that have, understandably, shaken the community’s confidence in the game’s dev teams. Not only are we picking up after the aftermath of Flash's EOL, but we are also dealing with a now unstable dev team due to the current events, and recovering from a hit from COVID -- which affected one of our developers and our finances. There are trials, one after another, that constantly challenge our development. And we aren't going to give up on this project anytime soon. So, I'd like to thank you all for remaining patient while we're dealing with all that. We are doing our very, very best to bring you an amazing game, but it will take a while, and, unfortunately, a bit longer thanks to these events.

Many of you will be asking, "why haven't you shown us anything yet? Why is this game taking so long?" And there is a very simple answer to both. Scope. Many people are expecting this game to be of the same scope as Everybody Edits Universe and the original Flash version-- and the simple, nonspoilery way of addressing that is by saying that EE!'s scope exceeds that of those previous two games. It's bigger, in many ways. The block packs are MASSIVE this time around-- so far, some of our block packs have 60+ blocks, with autotiling variations and without. We also are introducing parallax backgrounds as an optional feature. Beyond that, we have a planned customisation system, a fleshed out Zones system similar to what EEU had tried to achieve, new action blocks, and even some things like a Hub World in the lobby, a particle system, unique death animations, vision zones, liquid zones, secret zones, weather zones, different methods and tools to edit your world with (for instance, symmetrical worlds!) and another way to play entirely that I don't want to spoil still. Point is, this game is trying to achieve far more than EEU and EE had tried to, and, of course, that will take a while. And, on top of that, we are building everything not on an existing engine, but rather our own engine-- an engine we created specifically for this game, to specifically achieve what we want, in the context of multiplayer play, security, and the like. That is why the game is taking a while. We don't want to pump out an unfinished Beta and sell it like a final product. We want to deliver a bombastic first impression when the game launches.

And this strive for perfection is why any proper visual of the game (i.e. gameplay footage) is taking so long-- for one, we are still working out our renderer. And for another, we don't want to show a rough gameplay clip that will make everyone go "...ew..." We aren't going to show any gameplay footage unless it looks as close as possible to the final product or as polished as possible. This strive for perfection is also why the game has faced some delays-- notably in mid to late 2021. We had issues with our renderer system, thanks to a dev we have had let go of, knocking our milestones one down, requiring us to recode a huge chunk of code and search for new devs atop that. And now, with this other looming crisis, it is going to take a while.

So, once again: please have patience and show support. There is a lot that is resting on us, and on top of that, we are all worried about our friends and family. We ask that you stay patient, if there are any delays, and we promise that, at our own pace, we will do our best to surprise you not only with EE!, but also a super secret (and as of yet unannounced) project we have been working on.

Please stay safe, everyone, and thank you,
Anna.

Satanya · Game Business

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

Is the background in the video, the actual EE! background in-game?

It is.

Satanya · Game Business

Heya fantabulous peeps, Satanya, your favourite demonic overlord, checking in!!

Thank you for sticking with us through the year! We've gotten a lot of work done, but we still need a bit more time to polish stuff and make it as awesome as could be!

So for now, have a message from our staff team!

Kthxbye!!! (and a happy new year too I guess)
Anna~

Satanya · Game Suggestions

The issue with EEU is that it is extremely unfinished and, quite frankly, opening it to the public would paint a bad image (why would we want to open up a barely-alpha product?)

boredguy69 wrote:

and oh a way to login with forum accs would be nice just add spikes,zombie effects and death doors/gates

That takes development time that can be better used in EE!. We aren't planning on adding anything new to EEU at this moment!

Sorry to disappoint!

Satanya · Questions and Answers

I'd like to clarify something. Development on EE! actually started in around late February, contrary to what many think. So EE! has been under development for about eight months now, on and off. When we acquired EE's IP we started cataloguing EEU code.

What is being worked on right now:
Largely, asset development. Given the scope of the game, it is what will take the longest. The second thing being worked on is integration. Can't clarify beyond that, I'm afraid! But yes, we are working!!

Satanya · Game Discussion

Lena wrote:

That doesn’t actually look half bad
Also angry smiley
Just realised

Satanya wrote:

In-game name for it is Grumpy atm, but I might turn it into pouty
Different from the >n< one from EE

(Just for a bit of added context / order)

N1KF wrote:

Ha ha, very funny! /sarcasmer

Haha

Satanya · Game Discussion

This was such an amazing watch! A trip through memories and nostalgia. I love it!!

I can't wait to see the kind of stuff this awesome community'll come up with once EE!'s out! Just imagining it makes me tear up just a bit. c:

Satanya · Game Business

Heya fantabulous peeps, Satanya, your favourite demonic overlord, checking in!!

It's been a while, but here I am back with another interview in my journey to become a realfake journalist!! This time, I've stolen the PR team away from their job and forced them asked them to chat with me! Here it is, the interview in full!

▼The Full Interview with Vice-T and mutantdevle!

Um, I'm bad with intros so can I like write that part in later?
mutantdevle: Yes

Vice-T: That's fine, do it later!

Okay so I’ve written my intro after the fact, good! And now with editing magic it looks like I actually planned it out and I didn’t keep this part in at all for comedic effect. Smart, right?
Let’s get into this! Please describe your positions in the staff team!
Vice-T: You're talking to Vice-T, chief marketing officer (self-appointed because no one else wanted the role).

mutantdevle: I'm head moderator and a PR manager. Which still doesn't tell you what I actually do it's just a fancy tile.

And which one of you two would win in a deathmatch? Just asking!
mutantdevle: I have a demonic trident. So me.

Vice-T: I would absolutely go down like a sack of bricks. Or at least play dead so I get a sneak attack in.

I didn’t know there’s such a thing as a sack of bricks.
What exactly does a CMO do, Vice? What does a head moderator and pr manager do, Mutant?
Vice-T: CMO handles promoting the game, very basically! And assisting in pr, of course. Essentially, I'm the one in control of our social media aside from Discord, that's a whole other beast that needs other people to run. And, eventually, it'll include putting out advertising and the like. There's probably more to it, but that's the simple version.

mutantdevle: As head moderator, so far I've designed the new punishment system, led internal discussions regarding moderation, and created a community poll for feedback. Once all of that is done and the game is released I imagine my role will effectively just be a regular moderator with the added responsibility of ensuring all other moderators are doing a good job and updating any documents to do with moderating. I guess my responsibility would also include making final decisions on things but I prefer things be a group decision rather than just mine.
As a PR manager my main role under the previous ownership was effectively to advise the owner on how to act. I think good progress was made there but I can't pretend that my advice was always listened to. From January 2021 I was then set to be the one making all the forum posts and stuff like that but that was no longer needed after the game was bought. However, I continue to work behind the scenes giving lots of advice about community interaction. For example, I'll often play a strong role in when we leak/release various things as well as generally advise how official posts should be worded - picking up on things that should and shouldn't be included which is something Satanya, Vice-T and I discuss together. I'll also make suggestions about how to keep the community happy and engaged with the game which is most needed and most challenging whilst we all patiently wait for the game to be released. On the topic of suggestions, I'm also responsible for monitoring feedback from the community to get a sense of whether something has had a positive, negative or mixed reaction and reporting back any key suggestions people might have.

Mutant, you say that you monitor feedback and suggestions. How do you decide what gets reported back to the team? Is there like criteria you look for?
mutantdevle: As a general rule, if multiple people are saying it then it's worth listening to. When you have a larger community you need to start worrying about things like a loud minority swaying your perception. After all, people are more likely to be vocal if they don't like something than if they do, so for every 2 people complaining you could have 10 that are satisfied. But whilst the community is relatively small just 3 or 4 people sharing an opinion makes it something noteworthy. Sometimes a single person could have a really good point to make but you generally want to avoid having a single opinion dictate things. Additionally, the best feedback is from those that can express both a positive and negative opinion. If you had someone who always has something negative to say no matter what you do then they're just not worth listening to. Similarly, someone who is always positive tends to not provide anything useful unless they are very specific about what it is that's good. Being specific is the final criteria. General statements of "this is good" or "this is bad" are not useful. Though, when it's negativity that's specific, you have to be careful it's not just nitpicking. Usually the question of "how many people agree with this?" answers whether or not something is nitpicking.

So you always look for a balance of sorts, when it comes to input you share, right? Something that is constructive from someone that doesn't always nitpick or takes issue with every single detail?
mutantdevle: Yeah exactly. I think it's very hard, other than deliberately trolling, to be someone whose opinion is completely useless. But when it comes to getting feedback you do have to be more selective than most people seem to consciously realise. We can't listen to everything that everyone says or the game would be a mess. Actually, I'm not so sure describing not acting on a specific piece of feedback as not listening is fair. Listening does not always mean acting, it just means understanding the point being said. We consider every opinion we read and are therefore still listening, it's just that not everything is worth reporting back or acting on.

I think that's quite fair! And here's a question for both of you. Out of all the games out there, what made Everybody Edits special to you? Why did you choose to stick around for so long?
Vice-T: Well, weird question for me! Before this project, I didn't have very much experience with Everybody Edits. A certain devilish personality introduced me to it a year or so before the flash shutdown. It had a fun concept, and I played casually until then, enjoying what I played. I didn't think at the time that it'd end up helping to promote it, but life is weird sometimes! While I wasn't a diehard fan before, I'm certainly looking forward to helping make the game a special experience again.

mutantdevle: I honestly don't know to be honest. The nostalgia I guess? I loved playing the game with my siblings when I was younger. During my break from EE (I left before Mr Shoe did and came back during his vacation era) I played a small Minecraft server where there was a thriving community that I was a well known part of. That community gradually died so I left there and returned to EE and I guess I probably subconsciously sought out a similar experience. That may also be a subconscious reason why I care so much about not letting this game die, because I've seen it happen to a community before.

Vacation era, that’s one way to put it. This helps us segway really nicely into Everybody Edits! actually, so I appreciate those answers. Everybody Edits! builds upon the foundations that Everybody Edits (and the ill-fated EEUniverse reboot) established and laid down. You two have both have had access to the design docs, so what parts are you most interested in seeing players’ reactions to? What are you most excited for?
mutantdevle: All the cool worlds that will be created. EE never lived up to it's potential because by the time all the really cool features were added the game had started to die and people had lost motivation to build. And then some of the more complex mechanics could also not be fully explored due to the practical limitations of EE. Complex mechanics that have room to breath + a (hopefully) growing player base will result in lots of awesome worlds that were only theoretical before. The thing that gets me most excited would be the potential for animated worlds. Larger worlds sizes + no data limit restricting the amount of portals in a world + vision zones = something truly awesome.

Vice-T: I don't want to spoil too much here, and make your job of leaking things harder, but I'm really looking forward to see the community working with the freedom and scale that can be achieved with world sizes in the new system. I don't want to get all "early 2000s" and say that there's epic potential there with the new and returning mechanics, but, well, I guess I did. Personally, though, and this is probably just a "me" thing, the thing I'm most excited for us sneaking in jokes and references into smiley names and any descriptions I'm allowed to write for. No, you can't stop me.

I’m sure the owner could stop you if she happened to read this interview! Given both your answers, is it safe to say that Everybody Edits! takes everything a level higher? Is it worthy of its exclamation mark?!?!
Vice-T: I certainly think so! It's been 11 years since the original, so of course it's going to take advantage of the better tech to be the best that it can be.

mutantdevle: Dunno about an exclamation mark, but I'd definitely describe it as EE+. It's an expansion pack to EE that fixes the problems with the base game.

Mutant, way to leak another reboot’s name… But while I have you here, here’s a question specifically for you. What approach will moderation take in this new game? How will it differ from the previous game? Tell me the deets!
mutantdevle: Well, first of all it actually has thought put into it. I can't speak for the history of EE's moderation, but certainly when I joined towards the end it did feel like there had been no care given to the guidelines in place and the job felt like we were only there to prevent anarchy rather than ensure a safe and friendly environment. The new rules will be more clearly defined and the punishments will be more significant. There's actually going to be significant consequences this time around. As a general rule, players who break the most rules, and more severe rules, will receive very few chances before being given permanent punishment. However, how many chances you receive is decided by a very carefully planned system rather than by the differing moderation styles of biased moderators. The 3 things I had in mind when designing the way punishments will work was 1. creating a safe and friendly environment, 2. ensuring that the rules are fair and consistent, and 3. eliminating biases from moderators as much as possible. The specifics of the system are still being discussed, which is where the community feedback has the most influence, but I feel like what we have now achieves those 3 goals and I'm looking forward to 'running some simulations' to test the system and see it in action.

I’m sure there are some people that will be more than happy to misbehave for you to test out this new system! (Myself included in the beta testing~)
I don’t want the other person to be left out, so, Vice-T... about that Twitter...
Vice-T: What about it? Is the mild chaos a bit much?

How do you plan what kind of tweets go on there? Is there like a schedule of sorts?
Vice-T: Bold of you to assume that I have a plan. Generally, I try to post around the same time, taking a few days off occasionally, but most of the time, the tweets are unplanned. Unless there's a specific poll to go up or a game update, it's all what sounds good in the moment or maybe the day before. Don't worry, that'll change when I get access to the game assets and can make more elaborate jokes. Otherwise, this is the system I work with to keep things slightly unhinged.

Slightly unhinged is, uh... one way to put it for sure. How about that age old tweet? What’s the meaning behind it?! You know the one. What was the bug and what did it allow people to do under certain conditions?
Vice-T: Well, that one was before my time, one of the original tweets from the game's early days. The meaning is far too deep, introspective, and profound to get into right now.

Well, I expect more tweets like it in the future.
Now, there’s something I want to clear up in case there’s any confusion. You two have given slightly different impressions of the game— is it a new game altogether, an expansion pack, remake, or what?
Vice-T: I'd put it closer to remake, since it's carrying over the same ideas for the game as the original. A new experience built from the ground up with the original in mind.

mutantdevle: If the core concept and mechanics of EE existed as a game genre then I'd describe it as a new game. It's definitely a new game in the sense that it's independent to EE. But I'd describe it most as a sequel rather than a completely new game or a remake.

Let’s wrap the EE! portion up with one last thing — take a few minutes and describe EE! to everyone. All the new features, all the remade old features, etc.! But here’s the catch. Do it in one word! Sum everything up in one word. Good luck!
mutantdevle: Improved.

Vice-T: !!!!!!!

Uhhhh... thank you Vice-T. And thank you Mutant!
Let’s talk a bit about you two. Tell me about yourselves! What made you want to get into this community management / marketing aspect of development? Any inspirations in this field?
mutantdevle: Well, I originally applied for the community manager position under the previous ownership after campaigning for its existence for over a year before it became a thing and then becoming frustrated by the fact that the position went unfilled for several months after its announcement. The previous ownership wanted me to trial being a staff member as a moderator first, and I was soon promoted to head mod after frequently suggesting ways the moderation system should be improved. From there, I was set to be announced as the community manager in January 2021, but then the game was sold so plans slightly changed but I still ended up being a PR manager. So I guess I kinda got into the position accidentally with a "if no one else is going to do it then I will" attitude. I don't really have any aspirations in this field but I do think that I have several qualities that make me fit for the position and it also develops skills that will be beneficial to me in other aspects of my life.

Vice-T: I didn't have much interest in marketing until I was in high school. I think it was my sophomore year that we got a new computer/business teacher that I ended up liking taking classes with. I didn't have much drive to do anything after high school at the time, and he kinda convinced me to try out for DECA (a marketing competition thing), and I enjoyed my time with it. Ended up carrying into university, and I got my degree in marketing there. Unfortunately, there weren't many job offerings around me that needed it, so I gravitated towards the kind of position I have now. Or, at least, I eventually fell into it after floundering after college. So... yeah!

Those are some backstories! Two different beginnings leading to the same path, huh? You guys are doing great so far, though! I’m proud. I’ll continue watching you two silently and judgementally!
Last question before we wrap this interview up! If the staff team had a meet up, where do you think is the best place for us to meet? And if you say Gamescom you get fired automatically, FYI.
mutantdevle: Hell.

Vice-T: In my secret tree fort, but you gotta know the password.

I like hell more personally. Let’s go with that.
Thank you two for your time!!!

This interview should give you more insight as to what feedback we look for and how we separate the useful stuff from useless stuff!

tl;dr cool interview with two cool peeps, next up's the musicians!!!!!!!!

Kthxbye!!!
Anna~

Satanya · Game Discussion

N1KF wrote:

Joke's on you, I don't check the EE! server that often and you just made it easier for me
Either way, that motivated me to catch up with Satanya's messages. (Other users' messages are in italics, for context.)

Dang, I should leak more stuff and post them here first... Extra points if you embed the emotes I used as images

Satanya · Game Discussion

Some extra smileys leaked (by moi) in the EE! discord which you should totally join and/or keep up with!!!

Since Halloween's like four months away it means it's a perfect time to leak these halloween smileys, right?! For those of you discord users, you'll know I recycled this joke, don't judge me!!!

P.S. Sorry N1KF, I beat you to it!

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