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Lopoi2

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Read my post.

Well, its a long text, could you resume it for me?

This:

21:11      @Nou      rpg, did the other judges actually do anything?
21:11      +treejoe4      >:(
21:11      RPGM2K      Nou: One judge rated my list on difficulty, that was about it.
21:11      @Nou      sigh

In other words: RPG did 99% by himself.

Thanks

Calicara

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I did read your post Nou, and I appreciate you posting. I'm not sure what will happen but hopefully it will be for the better.

You reassure me that things will be ok and I thank you for that.

Stupid

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Amen.

supadorf24

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I think it's ridiculous that cry kid cry placed 3rd, compare the art to most of the 2nd's and 1st's... and the minis were decent too.

Art looks weird in-game and on minimap, difficulty curve sucks. 3rd is fair, if not generous.

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For anyone that wasn't aware, RPGMaster did all the judging for this contest on his own.

Anyway, I understand that Chris was making this a very difficult contest to run, but RPG taking upon the task of judging 200+ levels in a matter of days seemed based of his and/or the community's impatience, not good judgement.

There is obviously no way anyone could judge all these levels in such a short period of time; anyone can see that. Why RPG decided to rush things I don't know. I for one would rather have accurate results even if takes longer than just picking the popular choices that are "supposed" to win.

As was made apparent in the choosing of "Moggie's World", levels were played for very short amounts of time. "Moggie's World" is only playable until an impossible challenge very early on. So why did it win? The art. That's the only reason it could've won, since the level is unplayable. Congrats on cheating someone else out of a winning slot, MX2. Not your faut, however.

So unless MX2's world was just some "freak accident" and RPG, by some ungodly ability, was able to play through 200+ levels completely in a matter of days, we can determine that the winners are primarily art-based, which completely ruined the chances of levels like mine and others' that focused on gameplay instead of pretty pictures on the minimap.

I would much rather wait and have Chris's selected judges do the judging at their own pace than have RPG rush and release his own winners merely for the sake of having the results done sooner.

Definitely not participating in any further contests if this is how they're going to be run.

Jaybm

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I think it's ridiculous that cry kid cry placed 3rd, compare the art to most of the 2nd's and 1st's... and the minis were decent too.

Art looks weird in-game and on minimap, difficulty curve sucks. 3rd is fair, if not generous.

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For anyone that wasn't aware, RPGMaster did all the judging for this contest on his own.

Anyway, I understand that Chris was making this a very difficult contest to run, but RPG taking upon the task of judging 200+ levels in a matter of days seemed based of his and/or the community's impatience, not good judgement.

There is obviously no way anyone could judge all these levels in such a short period of time; anyone can see that. Why RPG decided to rush things I don't know. I for one would rather have accurate results even if takes longer than just picking the popular choices that are "supposed" to win.

As was made apparent in the choosing of "Moggie's World", levels were played for very short amounts of time. "Moggie's World" is only playable until an impossible challenge very early on. So why did it win? The art. That's the only reason it could've won, since the level is unplayable. Congrats on cheating someone else out of a winning slot, MX2. Not your faut, however.

So unless MX2's world was just some "freak accident" and RPG, by some ungodly ability, was able to play through 200+ levels completely in a matter of days, we can determine that the winners are primarily art-based, which completely ruined the chances of levels like mine and others' that focused on gameplay instead of pretty pictures on the minimap.

I would much rather wait and have Chris's selected judges do the judging at their own pace than have RPG rush and release his own winners merely for the sake of having the results done sooner.

Definitely not participating in any further contests if this is how they're going to be run.

yup i agree i wont be participating in future contest either if this is how they will be run :/

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Anyway, I understand that Chris was making this a very difficult contest to run, but RPG taking upon the task of judging 200+ levels in a matter of days seemed based of his and/or the community's impatience, not good judgement.

There is obviously no way anyone could judge all these levels in such a short period of time; anyone can see that. Why RPG decided to rush things I don't know. I for one would rather have accurate results even if takes longer than just picking the popular choices that are "supposed" to win.

There were 169 levels in total, not 200+. I expect the reason he decided to rush things was because there were far more people on the forums saying "When will the results come? We want results!" rather than people saying "We're patient people. We can wait."

As was made apparent in the choosing of "Moggie's World", levels were played for very short amounts of time. "Moggie's World" is only playable until an impossible challenge very early on. So why did it win? The art. That's the only reason it could've won, since the level is unplayable. Congrats on cheating someone else out of a winning slot, MX2. Not your faut, however.

RPG went into the level just after posting about it and confirmed it was an accident. He believed a jump glitch made that mini possible at the time of testing a few weeks back. As a result, he has stated he will try to persuade Chris when he next sees him to allow a 5th 3rd place (as can be seen in Nou's post).

So unless MX2's world was just some "freak accident" and RPG, by some ungodly ability, was able to play through 200+ levels completely in a matter of days, we can determine that the winners are primarily art-based, which completely ruined the chances of levels like mine and others' that focused on gameplay instead of pretty pictures on the minimap.

He had specific criteria to follow from Chris and considering some of the things mentioned in the original blog post regarding the competition were that they were looking for good art, good minis, and good integration between the two, I don't think he was overly biased by not making yours a top 12 level.

I would much rather wait and have Chris's selected judges do the judging at their own pace than have RPG rush and release his own winners merely for the sake of having the results done sooner.

Definitely not participating in any further contests if this is how they're going to be run.

From the sounds of it, although it was mostly down to Chris' terrible organization regarding this competition, it was his friends who let him down because they stopped replying to his emails.

The most annoying thing for me is that it doesn't matter what I say here. Everyone now hates me for placing with my level and if I say I don't think I should have placed it would seem ungrateful. People will constantly accuse me so I will try to defend myself by pointing out that I was very strict in following the rules. You will not find a single black box in my level and from playing most of the Hallowe'en levels, it seems that mine may be the only one. Every single mini I have included is fully integrated into the art and I made it freeform to stand out from the crowd. I wasn't expecting to get 1st place as I was really just aiming to get into the top 12 and I succeeded at that. I spent a huge amount of time on the level and I know that many other people spent a large amount of time on theirs too and they're disappointed they didn't place as a result. To those people I say that your levels weren't bad if they didn't place. There was always only going to be a top 12 and considering 169 levels were entered, that means 157 of those levels HAD to lose.

In my opinion, this competition brought out the best in people. There were far better levels in this contest than the Easter contest and the competition was truly intense. Naturally, as people saw what they were up against, they spent more time on their own levels to improve. This meant that there were dozens of levels that got thousands of plays and I would like to thank Chris and RPGMaster2000 for hosting a competition that could bring the wonderful creativity out of people.

Would any of you have made the Hallowe'en Levels that you did if there were no Hallowe'en Competition?

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Anyway, I understand that Chris was making this a very difficult contest to run, but RPG taking upon the task of judging 200+ levels in a matter of days seemed based of his and/or the community's impatience, not good judgement.

I'm assuming that RPGmaster, like most of us, have been playing through the levels and picking which he liked the most since the levels were submitted, if not before then.

I mean it only took me 6 hours to review the levels' art (would have taken me about 7 hours if you included the backup levels) and most of that included typing up the comments about it (When I reviewed EXcrew's top 25 it took me about a half an hour with just a rating on a tenpoint scale for art)

Now I know that it takes me a long time to get through a level minigame wise, but I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't take RPGmaster three hours to get through a medium difficulty level like it does me...

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Calicara

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Here is what bothers me the most. Look at these photos:

There all really good levels right? I'll give these users props, because they are all awesome levels. But wasn't the contest to create a HALLOWEEN THEMED level?

This is my main issue with the whole judging. This contest was about who could create the most original, spooky, creepy, but fun level. None of the levels above even make me think of Halloween, except for SS Haunted cave, but only because it literally says "Happy Halloween"

This contest was not about creating a level that's just weird or scary, it is about creating a level that best represents the American holiday of Halloween. In fact, if this wasn't a contest, I wouldn't even consider these to be Halloween themed at all.

Are they bad? No not at all. Should they have won? I don't really think so. I don't think anyone really made a bad level, I just don't think that some of the winners were able to create a level that really made me feel like it was actually Halloween.

Now look at this level:

Doesn't it make you think of Halloween? You don't even have to play it to know it has something to do with Halloween. It just looks like it does, and that is why I'm against the current results.

It has nothing to do with anyones level being horrible or bad, but rather some maps don't even appear to match the theme they are competing for.

Last edited by Calicara (Nov 28 2011 10:09:46 pm)

smileyxp

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

^ this is true.(not exactly these)
but, can we do anything about it?

Last edited by smileyxp (Nov 28 2011 10:38:22 pm)

RPGMaster2000

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I managed to get a hold of Chris today and I have some good news that I think will please most of you.

A re-judging will not be held, and the current winners will keep their prizes. HOWEVER, We will also be fusing the current list with the community-driven list made by the EX Crew so that even more teams will be able to get the prizes that they rightfully deserve.

I will see if I can get in touch with EX Crew so that we can discuss this over chat later tonight when I have time. Chris also apologizes for the terrible mis-management of the judging process and made sure that this structure will not be used next contest.

skullhead

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I didn't enter but that seems a great idea.

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

This does sound like a good idea thanks RPGMaster2000. <3

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demos

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

For me it will not change anything but gratz for the EX crew's judging winners.

supadorf24

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Anyway, I understand that Chris was making this a very difficult contest to run, but RPG taking upon the task of judging 200+ levels in a matter of days seemed based of his and/or the community's impatience, not good judgement.

There is obviously no way anyone could judge all these levels in such a short period of time; anyone can see that. Why RPG decided to rush things I don't know. I for one would rather have accurate results even if takes longer than just picking the popular choices that are "supposed" to win.

There were 169 levels in total, not 200+. I expect the reason he decided to rush things was because there were far more people on the forums saying "When will the results come? We want results!" rather than people saying "We're patient people. We can wait."

Ah, forgot how many levels weren't eligible, and, yeah, I figured the rushing would be based on the community's impatience rather than RPG's.

As was made apparent in the choosing of "Moggie's World", levels were played for very short amounts of time. "Moggie's World" is only playable until an impossible challenge very early on. So why did it win? The art. That's the only reason it could've won, since the level is unplayable. Congrats on cheating someone else out of a winning slot, MX2. Not your faut, however.

RPG went into the level just after posting about it and confirmed it was an accident. He believed a jump glitch made that mini possible at the time of testing a few weeks back. As a result, he has stated he will try to persuade Chris when he next sees him to allow a 5th 3rd place (as can be seen in Nou's post).

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If that's true, I apologize for repeatedly stating that the judging was rushed! From the way it sounded in another post, RPG was going to start judging last Sunday and all the judging would take place in just over a week.

So unless MX2's world was just some "freak accident" and RPG, by some ungodly ability, was able to play through 200+ levels completely in a matter of days, we can determine that the winners are primarily art-based, which completely ruined the chances of levels like mine and others' that focused on gameplay instead of pretty pictures on the minimap.

He had specific criteria to follow from Chris and considering some of the things mentioned in the original blog post regarding the competition were that they were looking for good art, good minis, and good integration between the two, I don't think he was overly biased by not making yours a top 12 level.

If it sounded like I was implying that I was angry because my level didn't win, sorry. I didn't have any other levels in mind and used mine as an example of a level that mainly focuses on gameplay instead of minimap art. Obviously there were others but I didn't feel like going searching for more examples.

My level didn't make it into the top 25 in the community judging either, but I'd be more than glad to accept those results instead.

I would much rather wait and have Chris's selected judges do the judging at their own pace than have RPG rush and release his own winners merely for the sake of having the results done sooner.

Definitely not participating in any further contests if this is how they're going to be run.

From the sounds of it, although it was mostly down to Chris' terrible organization regarding this competition, it was his friends who let him down because they stopped replying to his emails.

Yes, there were a lot of reasons this contest was a flop. Oh well, problem seems to be somewhat soved now.

The most annoying thing for me is that it doesn't matter what I say here. Everyone now hates me for placing with my level and if I say I don't think I should have placed it would seem ungrateful. People will constantly accuse me so I will try to defend myself by pointing out that I was very strict in following the rules. You will not find a single black box in my level and from playing most of the Hallowe'en levels, it seems that mine may be the only one. Every single mini I have included is fully integrated into the art and I made it freeform to stand out from the crowd. I wasn't expecting to get 1st place as I was really just aiming to get into the top 12 and I succeeded at that. I spent a huge amount of time on the level and I know that many other people spent a large amount of time on theirs too and they're disappointed they didn't place as a result. To those people I say that your levels weren't bad if they didn't place. There was always only going to be a top 12 and considering 169 levels were entered, that means 157 of those levels HAD to lose.

Lol, I would hope most of us here are good enough people to not be angry at the winners. Congrats, though, I really liked your level.

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I just don't think that some of the winners were able to create a level that really made me feel like it was actually Halloween...

..but rather some maps don't even appear to match the theme they are competing for.

Your map doesn't look halloweenish at all either yet you whined and cried in some other topic that you should have won. wut?

Awh boo hoo, cry me a river pls.

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I managed to get a hold of Chris today and I have some good news that I think will please most of you.

A re-judging will not be held, and the current winners will keep their prizes. HOWEVER, We will also be fusing the current list with the community-driven list made by the EX Crew so that even more teams will be able to get the prizes that they rightfully deserve.

I will see if I can get in touch with EX Crew so that we can discuss this over chat later tonight when I have time. Chris also apologizes for the terrible mis-management of the judging process and made sure that this structure will not be used next contest.

If mustang shows up tonight we will probably have our results tonight, if not tomorrow.

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Cyral

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Meh, even with the ex crew stuff, I wont make it, not even in the top 25

Damn BackGround change >.>

Then we made minis easy for chrises friends, too simple for ex judging

Damn judging

This contest is a fail

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theditor

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

You know what else makes me mad is this:

http://i.imgur.com/ZWHNG.png
1. The level sucks
2. So smilis, the infamous level copier gets the Halloween smilies? He doesn't even deserve them! All he does is plagiarize art, then he gets rewarded? Stupid, stupid, stupid...
P.S. Nothing against Sefanja though, he's fine.

Exatly,cod-stormers or SCAR shall get them.

The art is noobish,not shaded.
Minis are confusing.
AND the level was actually made crap of time ago. In the middle of summer o.O
Due rpg doesen't listen TO PEOPLE'S VOICE,he just let the noobs get them.
21 EFFIN DAYS and you do nothing.
THEN BOOM come judge all with one day.
TF man?

Lopoi2

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I managed to get a hold of Chris today and I have some good news that I think will please most of you.

A re-judging will not be held, and the current winners will keep their prizes. HOWEVER, We will also be fusing the current list with the community-driven list made by the EX Crew so that even more teams will be able to get the prizes that they rightfully deserve.

I will see if I can get in touch with EX Crew so that we can discuss this over chat later tonight when I have time. Chris also apologizes for the terrible mis-management of the judging process and made sure that this structure will not be used next contest.

So EX crew is going to judge.... But what are they.... criteria (Idk the word)?

Off-topic: Did you read my PM RPGMaster2000?

Nou

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

Meh, even with the ex crew stuff, I wont make it, not even in the top 25

Damn BackGround change >.>

Then we made minis easy for chrises friends, too simple for ex judging

Damn judging

This contest is a fail

It has nothing to do with difficulty per se, just difficulty curve. Simple things can be great fun, it's not a deal breaker.

So EX crew is going to judge.... But what are they.... criteria (Idk the word)?

You should really pay attention and stop being lazy, this is the 2nd time I've caught you not reading everything

http://eeforumify.com/viewtopic.php?id=17014

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Lopoi2

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

So EX crew is going to judge.... But what are they.... criteria (Idk the word)?

You should really pay attention and stop being lazy, this is the 2nd time I've caught you not reading everything

http://eeforumify.com/viewtopic.php?id=17014

So this is EX crew? Yeah, they dont like me at all....

Jaybm

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I managed to get a hold of Chris today and I have some good news that I think will please most of you.

A re-judging will not be held, and the current winners will keep their prizes. HOWEVER, We will also be fusing the current list with the community-driven list made by the EX Crew so that even more teams will be able to get the prizes that they rightfully deserve.

I will see if I can get in touch with EX Crew so that we can discuss this over chat later tonight when I have time. Chris also apologizes for the terrible mis-management of the judging process and made sure that this structure will not be used next contest.

thats really not fair because members of the judging commitees are participating in the contest, which makes it very bias >.< this competition is a major FAIL

also the criteria found on the blog is different from ex crews criteria. So after basing mine, and other worlds, off of the given criteria on the blog, then we are being judged off some completely different criteria! ughh

oh yea and will there be a 5th third place? and what about honerable mentions?

Last edited by Jaybm (Nov 29 2011 9:03:18 am)

Nou

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I managed to get a hold of Chris today and I have some good news that I think will please most of you.

A re-judging will not be held, and the current winners will keep their prizes. HOWEVER, We will also be fusing the current list with the community-driven list made by the EX Crew so that even more teams will be able to get the prizes that they rightfully deserve.

I will see if I can get in touch with EX Crew so that we can discuss this over chat later tonight when I have time. Chris also apologizes for the terrible mis-management of the judging process and made sure that this structure will not be used next contest.

thats really not fair because members of the judging commitees are participating in the contest, which makes it very bias >.< this competition is a major FAIL

We submitted a joke map as EX so we're not in and we don't allow people to judge their own maps.

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ktostam450

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

I managed to get a hold of Chris today and I have some good news that I think will please most of you.

A re-judging will not be held, and the current winners will keep their prizes. HOWEVER, We will also be fusing the current list with the community-driven list made by the EX Crew so that even more teams will be able to get the prizes that they rightfully deserve.

I will see if I can get in touch with EX Crew so that we can discuss this over chat later tonight when I have time. Chris also apologizes for the terrible mis-management of the judging process and made sure that this structure will not be used next contest.

Maybe there's also consolation prizes, please?

sefanja1

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Re: Halloween contest feedback thread.

So all the people just blamed me for...? (nothing?)
Better people can better say nothing anymore to me.

Ps like I sad people derserve it, but only becouse they made a good level.

If you look it otherway, how people just flame out is just noobiesh.

And I think ex crew deserve's a second change to than.

Now stop ripping me of you noobiesh people.