Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

Kaleb · 2016-10-10 20:44:07

Different55 wrote:

Kaleb123 wrote:
MrJaWapa wrote:
Kaleb123 wrote:
so the obvious answer is the woman who lies.
What do you mean by "obvious"?
What I mean by obvious is the fact that their are basically 2 veggies in a pot and one clearly is molded so I go with the "obvious" choice.
One of them is poisonously moldy and the other came to life and is trying to bite everyone around it, there is no obvious choice here and both sides can just say "Well this one is X so we can't choose it."

Well despite how moldy or immune either of them are it doesn't change the Facts, and I can understand you completely diff but there comes a time when you have to choose either Tomatoe or Tomatoe, they both could potentially have a similar effect but they are Clearly different you just need to find it.

Norwee · 2016-10-10 21:42:03

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

If people can't see how bad Trump is, not only as a candidate, but as a person it really says a lot about his supporters.

MrJaWapa wrote:

The same could be said about Hillary: a person who's let people die, put national security at risk, and threatened rape victims.

Amazing how you right-wingers spin and spin and rationalize the sheer immorality of your "candidate"---let's see, current rape charge of a 13-year old and two other women. *Right-wingers yawn*, and hundreds of people he screwed over and did not pay *more yawns*, cheating on his two wives, and wanting to have sex with another married woman while his current wife is three-months pregnant *more yawns*, audiotape of him bragging about how he can sexually assault a woman, but....but those doggone HILLARY EMAILS! Now that gets them to sit up real quick. He could kill someone and you sociopaths would still yawn.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 52976.html
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cass … -you-think
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don … 0d31df169d
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … itics.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-Rt4QJZ08

Onjit

blizzard · 2016-10-10 21:47:12

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:
If people can't see how bad Trump is, not only as a candidate, but as a person it really says a lot about his supporters.
MrJaWapa wrote:
The same could be said about Hillary: a person who's let people die, put national security at risk, and threatened rape victims.
Amazing how you right-wingers spin and spin and rationalize the sheer immorality of your "candidate"---let's see, current rape charge of a 13-year old and two other women. *Right-wingers yawn*, and hundreds of people he screwed over and did not pay *more yawns*, cheating on his two wives, and wanting to have sex with another married woman while his current wife is three-months pregnant *more yawns*, audiotape of him bragging about how he can sexually assault a woman, but....but those doggone HILLARY EMAILS! Now that gets them to sit up real quick. He could kill someone and you sociopaths would still yawn.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 52976.html
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cass … -you-think
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don … 0d31df169d
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … itics.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-Rt4QJZ08

What? A woman who comes out claiming rape a month before the election? No way! This totally doesn't sound like Herman Cain 2.0.

By the way, regarding that video, I think you already read my previous post. What Trump said was wrong. He's apologized to his family and to America. What more do you want us to say? You say we "yawn" but we've clearly said that what he's done we do not condone. Sorry to break the news to you ,we aren't going to "endorse" Hillary because of an 11 year old video.

Btw I don't fully support Trump* just pointing that out

Glenn21 · 2016-10-11 00:42:45

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:
If people can't see how bad Trump is, not only as a candidate, but as a person it really says a lot about his supporters.
MrJaWapa wrote:
The same could be said about Hillary: a person who's let people die, put national security at risk, and threatened rape victims.
Amazing how you right-wingers spin and spin and rationalize the sheer immorality of your "candidate"---let's see, current rape charge of a 13-year old and two other women. *Right-wingers yawn*, and hundreds of people he screwed over and did not pay *more yawns*, cheating on his two wives, and wanting to have sex with another married woman while his current wife is three-months pregnant *more yawns*, audiotape of him bragging about how he can sexually assault a woman, but....but those doggone HILLARY EMAILS! Now that gets them to sit up real quick. He could kill someone and you sociopaths would still yawn

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 52976.html
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cass … -you-think
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don … 0d31df169d
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … itics.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-Rt4QJZ08

"Accusation equals truth" You just proved how gullible you are and believe what you want to believe. The fact that you refer to the extremely biased and hypocritical Huffington Post adds up to that. It's pure coincidence that these people suddenly sue Trump after he decided to run for president, right? These people only sue Trump to damage his campaign. Hillary didn't even mention these rape accusations during the debates so I doubt even she believes them. Also, when someone signs a contract and doesn't do what he is supposed the do, of course you don't pay him (fully).

Trump wasn't bragging about how he could sexually assault a woman, he was clearly joking. I already said it was bad that he wanted to have sex with a married woman though. But if you think this is worse than Hillary's email scandal, then how can you support a woman who accepts it that her husband cheated on her? So much hypocrisy...

"All Trump supporters are sociopaths who wouldn't mind if Trump kills innocent people"
Nice generalisation, also, don't put words in my mouth, please.

I hope Norwegian left-wingers like you move to the already doomed Rape Capital of Europe that is Sweden, instead of ruining another great Scandinavian country with bad liberal ideas.

ZeldaXD, rgl32, blizzard

mrjawapa · 2016-10-11 00:43:05

Kaleb123 wrote:

Tomatoe or Tomatoe

Kaleb123 wrote:

Clearly different

I'm missing something.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

how you right-wingers

I'm not a "right-winger". I'm a vote-for-whoever-I-see-best-fit-at-the-moment-winger.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

spin and spin and rationalize the sheer immorality of your "candidate"

I don't support either candidate at this point.

And, I recognize Trumps wrong doings as such. I'm only pointing out the wrong doings of Hillary, which you keep overlooking. They both suck, they've both made retarded choices, they've both said dumb things, they've both **** up. It's important to know that.

EDIT:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

He could kill someone and you sociopaths would still yawn.

Oh, should note that Hillary hasn't murdered anyone, but was the reason several U.S. soldiers died.

blizzard, N1KF

Kaleb · 2016-10-11 00:47:32

MrJaWapa wrote:

Kaleb123 wrote:
Tomatoe or Tomatoe
Kaleb123 wrote:
Clearly different
I'm missing something.
.

Prenounce one Toe-Mae-toe and the other Toe-maw-toe they are clearly different you just have to find it just as Hillary is clearly different than trump.

Pyromaniac · 2016-10-12 01:00:47

Can I just say how much comfort I'm taking in the assumption that the majority of you can't vote yet?

Evilbunny, 32OrtonEdge32dh, Zoey2070, Norwee, rgl32, Yandax, Pingohits, Onjit, Tomahawk

Glenn21 · 2016-10-12 16:10:09

Pyromaniac wrote:

Can I just say how much comfort I'm taking in the assumption that the majority of you can't vote yet?

Can I just say how much comfort I'm taking in the assumption that you agree with my last response to you, since you just didn't try to refute anything I said?

Anyway, I agree. Too many Hillary supporters here.

blizzard

Tomahawk · 2016-10-12 16:45:35

This debate isn't worth having because only an uneducated, gullible voter would choose Trump over Hillary. She's not great either, but at this point it's about choosing the lesser evil.

Onjit

Pyromaniac · 2016-10-12 17:18:24

Glenn21 wrote:

Pyromaniac wrote:
Can I just say how much comfort I'm taking in the assumption that the majority of you can't vote yet?
Can I just say how much comfort I'm taking in the assumption that you agree with my last response to you, since you just didn't try to refute anything I said?
Anyway, I agree. Too many Hillary supporters here.

I didn't bother to refute anything you said because you were SO late in responding. I didn't even read your post tbqh lmao.

blizzard · 2016-10-12 17:50:22

Tomahawk wrote:

This debate isn't worth having because only an uneducated, gullible voter would choose Trump over Hillary. She's not great either, but at this point it's about choosing the lesser evil.

Instead of pulling the old "You're so stupid and uneducated" argument, why not try typing up real reasons why you'd actually vote Hillary over Trump. No one here justifies everything either candidate does, they've both done plenty of bad things. But I still find "she's not great" to be an incredible understatement.

mrjawapa

Tomahawk · 2016-10-12 18:01:31

blizzard wrote:

Instead of pulling the old "You're so stupid and uneducated" argument, why not try typing up real reasons why you'd actually vote Hillary over Trump. No one here justifies everything either candidate does, they've both done plenty of bad things. But I still find "she's not great" to be an incredible understatement.

Did you even watch the debate? If you did, you should know why I can say that the choice is an easy one in terms of deciding which is better prepared and has a better mentality for presidency.

blizzard · 2016-10-12 18:18:12

Tomahawk wrote:

blizzard wrote:
Instead of pulling the old "You're so stupid and uneducated" argument, why not try typing up real reasons why you'd actually vote Hillary over Trump. No one here justifies everything either candidate does, they've both done plenty of bad things. But I still find "she's not great" to be an incredible understatement.
Did you even watch the debate? If you did, you should know why I can say that the choice is an easy one in terms of deciding which is better prepared and has a better mentality for presidency.

I watched part of it but wasn't home for the first half. From what I saw, both candidates had strong and weak points. A lot of polls I've seen say Trump won, not all, but some. So either the internet is biased or you are. And by the way, the only deciding factor shouldn't be just the debate. Their pasts have to be weighed in as well. I'm a little more unnerved by what Hillary has done than what Trump has said.

Glenn21 · 2016-10-12 20:30:22

Pyromaniac wrote:

I didn't bother to refute anything you said because you were SO late in responding. I didn't even read your post tbqh lmao.

What a terrible excuse to ignore everything I said. Yes, I was pretty late with responding, but that doesn't make the things I said less true. Now you make yourself look like someone who clearly lost the argument. So go on, I promise I will respond way faster this time.

Tomahawk wrote:

This debate isn't worth having because only an uneducated, gullible voter would choose Trump over Hillary. She's not great either, but at this point it's about choosing the lesser evil.

People should really stop acting like Trump and his supporters are stupid. Hillary is also doing this during debates by putting a big fake smile on everytime Trump says an unpleasant truth about her. She does this to make Trump look like a crazy nutjob even when he is stating proven facts. A typical tactic that crooked liars use when they don't have the words to counter someone. One of the reasons some people think Hillary won the 2nd debate is probably because they fell for this tactic. Also, a stupid person doesn't know how to turn one million into billions, if everybody can do that, then there wouldn't be way more millionaires than billionaires in the world.
FYI, I study Computer Engineering at a University and belong to the 25% of my year that didn't get kicked from my study. I also actively followed this election for about a year now, so please, don't call me uneducated and gullible. The real gullible people are the ones that believe everything the media and their liberal professors say and fall for Hillary's lies.

How is someone who "says mean things" worse than probably the most corrupt politician the USA ever had. Someone who put the USA at risk and thinks this doesn't matter because "there is no proof classified information got in the wrong hands", while at the same time saying that the evil Russians are the ones that hacked her. Oh, wait, all 33,000 emails were about her daughter's wedding, right? So they got no classified information. Who are the gullible people here?

So why is Trump evil? For enforcing the law by deporting illegal immigrants, not mexicans with U.S. citenzenship, and letting the good ones back in? For temporarily banning muslims from entering the USA for safety reasons? ISIS is laughing about how they can easily slip terrorists into western countries thanks to the refugee crisis. Some of the people involved in recent terrorist attacks also were "refugees".

Tomahawk wrote:

Did you even watch the debate? If you did, you should know why I can say that the choice is an easy one in terms of deciding which is better prepared and has a better mentality for presidency.

"Better prepared" as in "she already knew one, if not all questions, before the debate"?

mrjawapa, blizzard

Pyromaniac · 2016-10-12 23:59:57

Glenn21 wrote:

What a terrible excuse to ignore everything I said. Yes, I was pretty late with responding, but that doesn't make the things I said less true. Now you make yourself look like someone who clearly lost the argument. So go on, I promise I will respond way faster this time.

Ya u beat me. Congrats, gg, 10/10 arguing, etc.

I'd like to add- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_-ZOnRlims

Please. PLEASE, take your candidates advice and get out to vote on November 28th. Its important. Dont listen to that dang liberal media trying to tell you the wrong voting date! Its all a trick masterminded by Lyin' Hillary to fool the poor uneducated white masses**. Good thing Trump is so smart (just like you, I'm assuming. I mean look at how good at debate you are! You beat me! Some faceless rando on the internet!) and was able to figure out those pesky liberals' tricks!

**(http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc … ly/471714/, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upsho … html?_r=0))

EDIT: Just as a side note, I came across this---http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa … -1.2828571

How lovely! What a great group of people. Trump really brings out the best in all of you, doesn't he?

Norwee, Onjit

Bobithan · 2016-10-13 00:05:06

Glenn21 wrote:

She does this to make Trump look like a crazy nutjob even when he is stating proven facts.

thats the thing though. he is a bigger liar than hillary which is really saying something. he just makes **** up on the spot

Glenn21 wrote:

FYI, I study Computer Engineering at a University and belong to the 25% of my year that didn't get kicked from my study. I also actively followed this election for about a year now, so please, don't call me uneducated and gullible

yes ok because a STEM major is who we should be listening to when it comes to social sciences. nice credibility tough guy

Kaleb, Norwee

Glenn21 · 2016-10-13 09:47:22

Pyromaniac wrote:

Glenn21 wrote:
What a terrible excuse to ignore everything I said. Yes, I was pretty late with responding, but that doesn't make the things I said less true. Now you make yourself look like someone who clearly lost the argument. So go on, I promise I will respond way faster this time.
Ya u beat me. Congrats, gg, 10/10 arguing, etc.
I'd like to add- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_-ZOnRlims
Please. PLEASE, take your candidates advice and get out to vote on November 28th. Its important. Dont listen to that dang liberal media trying to tell you the wrong voting date! Its all a trick masterminded by Lyin' Hillary to fool the poor uneducated white masses**. Good thing Trump is so smart (just like you, I'm assuming. I mean look at how good at debate you are! You beat me! Some faceless rando on the internet!) and was able to figure out those pesky liberals' tricks!
**(http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc … ly/471714/, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upsho … html?_r=0))

Wow, what a childish response for someone who says Trump acts like a child. I never said you lost the argument, what part of "make yourself look like" do you not understand?

Once again you completely ignored my previous response to you, so now it really looks like you lost the argument, just stop making yourself look like a fool and either use real arguments against my previous response or admit I was right, instead of degrading yourself to personal attacks and using weak arguments like "OMG how can you vote for someone who accidently said 28 instead of 8?!?". Like I told you before: "Everybody makes mistakes sometime while they are talking, I doubt you never made a little mistake during a presentation.".

Also, just because some polls say that a big part of Trump voters aren't educated doesn't mean none are, so stop generalising. It's no news that schools are infiltrated with liberal professors, who often don't have real job experience, but learned everything at their (liberal) teacher training college. These professors have a big influence on students, especially the ones who don't actively follow politics and don't do their own research, so it's no surprise more educated people are liberals.
There is also this thing called the silent majority; because people keep calling Trump supporters stupid and racist etc. they don't tell others who they really vote for. Just look at Brexit where most polls on the voting day said Remain would win.

While we're talking about voter demographics anyway, I'd like to point out that the older people are, the more likely they are to vote conservative. Some of the reasons for this is because they have more life experience and work experience. They also realise their taxes (will) go to the whiny, greedy youth of today and economic (illegal) immigrants. They want everything for free via unrealistic socialist ideas like free college, this will make the already $19 trillion debt a lot higher. The Netherlands, for example, used to have free college and free university. They recently quit with this because it was too expensive, despite the majority of the studies only costing ~$2200 a year, a lot lower than in the USA. But liberals try to discredit older people by saying things like "Old people are stupid and racist, they don't even know how to turn a computer on! LOL!". But enough with the bandwagon fallacies for now.

Pyromaniac wrote:

EDIT: Just as a side note, I came across this---http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa … -1.2828571
How lovely! What a great group of people. Trump really brings out the best in all of you, doesn't he?

If you go on Twitter you will see that this is either trolling or a false flag. Almost everybody tweeting about this either condemns it or are trolls. The few that are serious are of the extreme part that both sides have.

In my opinion anybody that votes purely based on someones gender, whether male or female, shouldn't have the right to vote. The people who do this are the real sexists, because they think having a certain gender automatically makes that candidate better. Too bad there will most likely be a way bigger group of women than men who will do this, because there hasn't been a female president before, but I don't think this is a good reason to remove the voting rights of all women.

Bobithan wrote:

Glenn21 wrote:
She does this to make Trump look like a crazy nutjob even when he is stating proven facts.
thats the thing though. he is a bigger liar than hillary which is really saying something. he just makes **** up on the spot

Sadly you are one of the people who fell for this tactic...
So Trump lied when he said Hillary cheated her way to the democratic nomination, even though WikiLeaks proved that the DNC worked together with the media to make Hillary look good and Bernie Sanders (and Trump) look bad? Was Trump lying when he said Hillary "acid washed" her email server? Some fact-checkers aren't even trying anymore... In the meantime, Pyromaniac dares to make fun of me for saying the media is biased...

Sometimes people even lie that Trump is lying. I remember that a few months ago, Trump said that companies are leaving the USA because the taxes are so high. The Daily Show then made it look like Trump was lying by saying the average tax rate in the USA is a lot lower compared to other countries. But Trump was clearly talking about the corporate tax rate which is the third highest in the world. I know that a satirical news/talk show isn't the most trustworthy source, but they definitely have a great influence on people who don't actively follow politics and aren't interested enough to do their own research.

Bobithan wrote:

Glenn21 wrote:
FYI, I study Computer Engineering at a University and belong to the 25% of my year that didn't get kicked from my study. I also actively followed this election for about a year now, so please, don't call me uneducated and gullible
yes ok because a STEM major is who we should be listening to when it comes to social sciences. nice credibility tough guy

Nice ad hominem fallacy. Just because I do a certain STEM major doesn't mean I know nothing about other topics. I guess you are also one of those people that believe everything their liberal professors tell them, just because they did a certain study and have an authoritarian role.

The only reason I brought this up is because Tomahawk insulted all Trump supporters with his narrow minded generalisation that only uneducated, gullible people could vote for Trump. I didn't say this to look like a "tough guy". If I wanted to brag about it, I would have mentioned this a lot earlier in this topic.
What study do you do and at what level? No offense, but you sound like a jealous person now because I will easily find a good paying job once I'm done with mine.

If I have no credibility, then why don't you try to refute the other things I said, instead of using weak ungrounded arguments and personal attacks to ignore the rest. Should be easy then, right? You also ignored some things I said to you in an earlier comment, at least you can't use the lame excuse that I made a late response.

I see NorwegianboyEE is yet another person who completely ignored my (and blizzard's) response to him, because he wooted these two terrible comments above mine.

mrjawapa, blizzard

Tomahawk · 2016-10-13 12:02:07

A blanket ban on all Muslim immigration. Wow, what a great idea. That'll really improve international relations.

blizzard · 2016-10-13 12:20:14

Pyromaniac wrote:

Glenn21 wrote:
What a terrible excuse to ignore everything I said. Yes, I was pretty late with responding, but that doesn't make the things I said less true. Now you make yourself look like someone who clearly lost the argument. So go on, I promise I will respond way faster this time.
Ya u beat me. Congrats, gg, 10/10 arguing, etc.
I'd like to add- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_-ZOnRlims
Please. PLEASE, take your candidates advice and get out to vote on November 28th. Its important. Dont listen to that dang liberal media trying to tell you the wrong voting date! Its all a trick masterminded by Lyin' Hillary to fool the poor uneducated white masses**. Good thing Trump is so smart (just like you, I'm assuming. I mean look at how good at debate you are! You beat me! Some faceless rando on the internet!) and was able to figure out those pesky liberals' tricks!
**(http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc … ly/471714/, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upsho … html?_r=0))

EDIT: Just as a side note, I came across this---http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa … -1.2828571
How lovely! What a great group of people. Trump really brings out the best in all of you, doesn't he?

Wow, I lost a lot of respect for you after reading that cancerous post. Literally just a dumb prank and a link attempting yet again to make Trump supporters look like "women haters" with no backing evidence.

Glenn21

Pyromaniac · 2016-10-13 13:05:18

@Glen, k. Just please make sure to vote on November 28th!

blizzard wrote:

Wow, I lost a lot of respect for you after reading that cancerous post. Literally just a dumb prank and a link attempting yet again to make Trump supporters look like "women haters" with no backing evidence.

I'm crying on the inside, I promise.

Onjit · 2016-10-13 13:13:32

Honestly. I find myself constantly surprised at how people are buying into the anti-Hillary conspiracy theories.

Now I'm not saying that they don't have any merit, or that Hillary is not painful in how she panders to the public, but it should be obvious that she is the only viable candidate that you have.

Trump has demonstrated through his campaign (and long before his campaign even began) that he is not capable to be president. Not with policy making, not with diplomacy, and not even with business, (despite how much he claims to be lauded by his peers)

The man is an imbicile, he is a lier, he is a man with views so outdated he'd be labelled a bigot if it was 1950. He is not fit to be president, and anyone that believes otherwise, is either ignorant, facetious, or a masochist.

Hillary is also bad but if I had to choose between more Obama-ish policy or whatever Trump would concoct, I'd maintain the status quo.

Norwee

Ratburntro44 · 2016-10-13 14:44:41

they're actually both criminals, everything that is known now is just the tip of the iceberg to make it more believable. after the election their real crimes will be revealed, giving obama justification to nullify the election and install himself as "temporary" dictator of the usa

ZeldaXD · 2016-10-13 15:18:59

It really makes me think.

SmittyW · 2016-10-13 20:08:36

ZeldaXD wrote:

It really makes me think.
http://puu.sh/rHAB4/37b7047dd6.png

Does that mean people who went to college make less than those who didn't? Does that make the people who didn't attend college smarter?

Glenn21 · 2016-10-13 22:42:28

SmittyW wrote:

ZeldaXD wrote:
It really makes me think.
http://puu.sh/rHAB4/37b7047dd6.png
Does that mean people who went to college make less than those who didn't? Does that make the people who didn't attend college smarter?

It means that Hillary voters are more likely to do worthless studies like art and gender studies

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