TI:None. HF's campaign against trolls.

theHFnetwork · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

I agree with the fact that trolling is horrible and should not be allowed, and that people should be punished for trolling, or maybe people should be rewarded for not trolling. But I do not think people should be punished for something they have done in the past.
It is like the grandfather clause, if a law is made, the people who broke the law before its creation are not reprimanded.
I am suprised that many people believe trolling is OK.
I strongly disagree with the harsh punishments for people who may not even play the game anymore, but there is no reason to allow trolling to continue.

The harsh punishments are given because what they do/did is not OK (therefore they're bad boys/girls). Maybe I'm way too harsh, but...

I however agree with you when it comes to trolling. Trolling is not OK, not fun, and people should be punished for doing so. That way more people can enjoy EE without someone ruining the fun.

Chimi · Before February 2015

It should not be allowed?

Sorry. It is at the moment, so the admins of the game can't take any action to punish those who do it.

Until they make a rule against trolling, they will not take any action against it. PM them all you want.

theHFnetwork · Before February 2015

Wow. I thought that you were civilized persons, I was wrong. I'm not tired to say it out loud and in your faces:

STOP TROLLING. TROLLING IS NOT OK. IT IS NOT FUN. IT RUINS THE FUN OF OTHERS.

There. You bullies.

Panic · Before February 2015

Constantly repeating your OPINION that trolling is not okay will not make your argument any more valid.
Your arguments sort of sound like those made by various other groups that I will not name in case I offend people.

arteem · Before February 2015

Are you sure YOU are civilized person?

Different55 · Before February 2015

Slightly related question, how old are you?

Breadfinn · Before February 2015

Why are you people still paying attention to this topic

theHFnetwork · Before February 2015

Panic wrote:

Constantly repeating your OPINION that trolling is not okay will not make your argument any more valid.
Your arguments sort of sound like those made by various other groups that I will not name in case I offend people.

I know. But what can I do when half forumify is constantly saying the opossite?

I'm a grown boy. I know what I say.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

Hmmm

many people are just mocking him, and using irrelevant information.
asking for his age,
"Chop! Chop! I need something to laugh at today."
etc

He is very right that trolling is bad, it is comparable to murder in the same way that stealing a penny is the same as banning someone from all money ever.
It is much less severe but still wrong. If you steal a penny it is still illegal. Trolling wastes time of many people because it destroys work that people have put a lot of effort into.
@theHFnetwork

I believe punishing people who no longer troll is not a good option.
It punishes people for good behavior(no longer trolling). Additionally, as I said before, I think it is unfair to punish people who did not know they were doing something wrong.

While banning is a very good punishment, much of the community would disagree with unfair punishments. Being cooperative with the community is vital in keeping them under control. A reward system would likely help to influence people to do the right thing, and multiple punishments in varying degrees of severity would be good to punish trolls, etc because it allows them to make a change.

Last edited by GKAbyss (May 2 2013 3:16:53 pm)

Panic · Before February 2015

If you know what you're saying, then stop saying things. The VAST majority of those that posted on this thread are against you.

@Addi We're here for the lolz, nothing else.

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XxAtillaxX · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

It is much less severe but still wrong. If you steal a penny it is still illegal. Trolling wastes time of many people because it destroys work that people have put a lot of effort into.

The ethics set in EE have minor specificities, so it isn't that comparable to stealing a penny, due to the illegalities of EE's ToS having flaws with -overall- general prohibitions.

The world owner is responsible for his/her world, and it should stay that way, because it isn't utterly stupid.

Different55 · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

many people are just mocking him, and using irrelevant information.
asking for his age,
"Chop! Chop! I need something to laugh at today."
etc

I am/was genuinely interested in the answer when I asked how old he was. I wasn't trying to mock anyone.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

I more meant it was irrelevant. I honestly can only see having their age as a way to explain certain actions or things they have said, but the age of someone should have nothing to do with how seriously someone is taken. I am sorry if I made a mistake and apologize if that is not what you meant. But it appears to be similar to mocking to me, and it is very possible that HF sees it in the same way. Overall I see the information as unnecessary and irrelevant to the argument.

tak4n · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

Hmmm
many people are just mocking him, and using irrelevant information.
asking for his age,
"Chop! Chop! I need something to laugh at today."
etc
He is very right that trolling is bad, it is comparable to murder in the same way that stealing a penny is the same as banning someone from all money ever.
It is much less severe but still wrong. If you steal a penny it is still illegal. Trolling wastes time of many people because it destroys work that people have put a lot of effort into.
@theHFnetwork
I believe punishing people who no longer troll is not a good option.
It punishes people for good behavior(no longer trolling). Additionally, as I said before, I think it is unfair to punish people who did not know they were doing something wrong.
While banning is a very good punishment, much of the community would disagree with unfair punishments. Being cooperative with the community is vital in keeping them under control. A reward system would likely help to influence people to do the right thing, and multiple punishments in varying degrees of severity would be good to punish trolls, etc because it allows them to make a change.

GKA, please tell me one of the following:
1. You were using sarcasm.
2. You were referring to good levels getting trolled when you made this post.
3. Your little brother posted this.

I thought you knew better that Stairz 2 cod and cheap bosses that make certain people lose on purpose have no effort put into them. Haven't you even been annoyed by this bosser, you know you are better than the rest of the people in the world, you know you have the most smilies in smiley bosses yet you still lose because of the unfair bossing. God I hate these type of worlds! I'd do anything to get the code and troll the world to show how much suffering I went through when playing that world. I cannot believe you would support these types of levels.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

I love to code worlds, I always have - and the only problems I have ever seen with them were the trolls and crashers. I would spent hours everyday helping every single person who came to my levels/ to code levels and making sure I would only kick the trolls, and not make a mistake and kick the wrong person. If I ever did I would go to a bunch of random levels looking for them so I could apologize. But then, every single time I would put hours of work into getting a lot of people to come to the level, someone would crash it as soon as they saw it in the top 13 or so levels. Wasting hours of my time, and they would continue to do this for a week or so. Apart from that specific incident people would always come to my levels and troll or chat crash the levels. It was extremely annoying and all it did was make me hate trolls.

Last edited by GKAbyss (May 2 2013 5:53:04 pm)

Panic · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

I love to code worlds, I always have - and the only problems I have ever seen with them were the trolls and crashers. I would spent hours everyday helping every single person who came to my levels/ to code levels and making sure I would only kick the trolls, and not make a mistake and kick the wrong person. If I ever did I would go to a bunch of random levels looking for them so I could apologize. But then, every single time I would put hours of work into getting a lot of people to come to the level, someone would crash it as soon as they saw it in the top 13 or so levels. Wasting hours of my time, and they would continue to do this for a week or so. Apart from that specific incident people would always come to my levels and troll or chat crash the levels. It was extremely annoying and all it did was make me hate trolls.

That's why we have 'Save level'. Also, crashing is completely different from trolling. Trolling, like I said on the previous page, is a very easily reversible assortment of pixels.

theHFnetwork · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

Hmmm
many people are just mocking him, and using irrelevant information.
asking for his age,
"Chop! Chop! I need something to laugh at today."
etc
He is very right that trolling is bad, it is comparable to murder in the same way that stealing a penny is the same as banning someone from all money ever.
It is much less severe but still wrong. If you steal a penny it is still illegal. Trolling wastes time of many people because it destroys work that people have put a lot of effort into.
@theHFnetwork
I believe punishing people who no longer troll is not a good option.
It punishes people for good behavior(no longer trolling). Additionally, as I said before, I think it is unfair to punish people who did not know they were doing something wrong.
While banning is a very good punishment, much of the community would disagree with unfair punishments. Being cooperative with the community is vital in keeping them under control. A reward system would likely help to influence people to do the right thing, and multiple punishments in varying degrees of severity would be good to punish trolls, etc because it allows them to make a change.

Agree.

People are just asking my age for seemingly no reason, even tho I see one reason behind asking my age.

"Trolling wastes time of many people because it destroys work that people have put a lot of effort into." - THIS. Let me add that those who troll seem to lack empathy.

"While banning is a very good punishment, much of the community would disagree with unfair punishments." - Sorry if I was too harsh with them, but they are/were doing something wrong. Banning them seems acceptable unless they "come clean" and stop doing it (e.g. betray/abandon TI:1 in this case).

"Being cooperative with the community is vital in keeping them under control. A reward system would likely help to influence people to do the right thing, and multiple punishments in varying degrees of severity would be good to punish trolls, etc because it allows them to make a change." - That would sound interesting. A reward system that fairly punishes wrong-doers and reward right-doers seems quite fair and should work with no problems.

Summary: I'm with GKAbyss when it comes to trolling and how should be treated. Once again, I'm sorry if I was too harsh initially (see first post).

theHFnetwork · Before February 2015

Panic wrote:

GKAbyss wrote:
I love to code worlds, I always have - and the only problems I have ever seen with them were the trolls and crashers. I would spent hours everyday helping every single person who came to my levels/ to code levels and making sure I would only kick the trolls, and not make a mistake and kick the wrong person. If I ever did I would go to a bunch of random levels looking for them so I could apologize. But then, every single time I would put hours of work into getting a lot of people to come to the level, someone would crash it as soon as they saw it in the top 13 or so levels. Wasting hours of my time, and they would continue to do this for a week or so. Apart from that specific incident people would always come to my levels and troll or chat crash the levels. It was extremely annoying and all it did was make me hate trolls.
That's why we have 'Save level'. Also, crashing is completely different from trolling. Trolling, like I said on the previous page, is a very easily reversible assortment of pixels.

While being easly reversible, trolling should be seen as a cruel form to have fun at he expense of others.

plat aka kingpooultra · Before February 2015

theHFnetwork wrote:

"While banning is a very good punishment, much of the community would disagree with unfair punishments." - Sorry if I was too harsh with them, but they are/were doing something wrong. Banning them seems acceptable unless they "come clean" and stop doing it (e.g. betray/abandon TI:1 in this case).

It's funny, all this is over an old group that was very inactive, all this ranting you've done has been for nothing.

GJ.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

Panic wrote:

GKAbyss wrote:
I love to code worlds, I always have - and the only problems I have ever seen with them were the trolls and crashers. I would spent hours everyday helping every single person who came to my levels/ to code levels and making sure I would only kick the trolls, and not make a mistake and kick the wrong person. If I ever did I would go to a bunch of random levels looking for them so I could apologize. But then, every single time I would put hours of work into getting a lot of people to come to the level, someone would crash it as soon as they saw it in the top 13 or so levels. Wasting hours of my time, and they would continue to do this for a week or so. Apart from that specific incident people would always come to my levels and troll or chat crash the levels. It was extremely annoying and all it did was make me hate trolls.
That's why we have 'Save level'. Also, crashing is completely different from trolling. Trolling, like I said on the previous page, is a very easily reversible assortment of pixels.

It is easy to reverse trolling but it is difficult to only give nontrolls the code. It is extremely easy for people to remain undetected when trolling, and it completely debilitates to code worlds.
It is likely that there would still be work that was not saved, wasting time of people who had their work erased, and the owner's time who has to find the troll and give out the code again. If the level is playable, load leveling wastes time of the people who were playing it.

Last edited by GKAbyss (May 2 2013 6:14:04 pm)

Tyka · Before February 2015

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tak4n · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

I love to code worlds, I always have - and the only problems I have ever seen with them were the trolls and crashers. I would spent hours everyday helping every single person who came to my levels/ to code levels and making sure I would only kick the trolls, and not make a mistake and kick the wrong person. If I ever did I would go to a bunch of random levels looking for them so I could apologize. But then, every single time I would put hours of work into getting a lot of people to come to the level, someone would crash it as soon as they saw it in the top 13 or so levels. Wasting hours of my time, and they would continue to do this for a week or so. Apart from that specific incident people would always come to my levels and troll or chat crash the levels. It was extremely annoying and all it did was make me hate trolls.

In the end, I, the troll suffers, you the builder suffers, everyone suffers, what do you learn? STOP MAKING NOOB LEVELS. This is the only way for the people to not suffer.

TheHFnetwork, I get him. I see where he might be coming from as he is a fairly new player. However, I would never expect such low standard from you GKA. Building noob, small boss levels to code, have you gone insane? I can't believe these types of levels, you actually enjoy playing or even building. I was actually really **** off when MrShoe forced us to play noob levels with tons of coins to get new features. However, after I got over 900 magic coins, I quit collecting them being in the safe zone knowing I won't fall to class 11 in a very long time. Makes it hard to believe while I was suffering, collecting all those magic coins, you were having fun doing the same. Makes me doubt you are telling the truth. Makes me doubt you would try and help some random person to create something similar to my examples. Makes me want to think you are just joking around and have not actually made any similar levels.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

It is purely an opinion that people believe those levels are bad, and everyone has a right to play and make what levels they want without everyone being out to get them. I'm sure many people come on this game to have fun, but that is difficult if so many people despise levels most of the ee players make.
It is like religion, it is not right to go and say someone else's religion is wrong or horrible and that only your own religion is correct. People have a right to do what they want if it does not harm others. I do not see how the levels harm anyone, you can simply ignore them.

I happen to dislike boss levels, the only reason I go to them is to find friends and talk to them, if there are no friends in a boss level I find little enjoyment in participating, yet I do not want to destroy it.

Making "good" levels apparently should not be allowed. So many people play them only to waste time because they are unable to do anything in them due to difficulty. Due to the fact that many people find them bad, no one should be allowed to make them, or be forced to put up with most of the established community making fun of them.

I see nothing wrong with making levels you enjoy, and do not think anyone should have to put up with bullying when they are trying to enjoy a game.

I happen to like reaction bosses, making smiley art, to code worlds, open worlds, and have made many of these before, apparently this means I am a bad person.

I have always said I liked these, and have always tried to defend people who make them, I do not think I have said anything different before.

Last edited by GKAbyss (May 3 2013 1:14:14 am)

Koto · Before February 2015

Ya, but how old are you, HF?

tak4n · Before February 2015

Mind Blown.

That is all I want to say, I don't want to argue with you any more GKA. I am just surprised a veteran player is not as frustrated and as annoyed when playing such levels as I am. Now, please teach me the art that you have mastered of not feeling the suffering of such levels.

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