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Slabdrill

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uncap world portals

jet's making a world and they need 1276 of them (or like 200 with some unconventional awkward methods) for it.

is there a reason they're limited in the first place?

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bunglybongle

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Re: uncap world portals

who even needs that many world portals

Freckleface

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Re: uncap world portals

who even needs that many world portals

Its possible to make a system that saves switches throughout worlds but that would require a different world portal for each different combination of switches. As you add more switches that need to be saved, the amount of world portals needed goes up exponentially. And some other things I guess.

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Re: uncap world portals

staff: no way

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Trytu

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Re: uncap world portals

i making rotate game, and if they would be uncaped, i would do only 4 huge worlds, instead 10 mediums and 20 larges
world portals are like portals on a key, but they reset progress, and this is thier biggest disadvantage
i think it's not necessary to make them free but if they would have option to teleport with moveable progress, it would be possible to use much less of them

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Re: uncap world portals

who even needs that many world portals

Its possible to make a system that saves switches throughout worlds but that would require a different world portal for each different combination of switches. As you add more switches that need to be saved, the amount of world portals needed goes up exponentially. And some other things I guess.

this

the original plan needed about a trillion world portals but thankfully we cut that down

CaRmAgE

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Re: uncap world portals

IMO, this could be solved by adding a checkbox option to the world settings that would enable purple switch state carryover when using your own world portals. I could understand the hesitation to implement something like this: there's already active problems with the world portals involving /reset, and allowing purple switch state carryover could potentially cause more problems. It would be nice to at least see something like this implemented in EEU.

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Re: uncap world portals

IMO, this could be solved by adding a checkbox option to the world settings that would enable purple switch state carryover when using your own world portals. I could understand the hesitation to implement something like this: there's already active problems with the world portals involving /reset, and allowing purple switch state carryover could potentially cause more problems. It would be nice to at least see something like this implemented in EEU.

eh why only cary over siwtches? just cary over coins and all too

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Re: uncap world portals

just cary over coins and all too

There may be a different amount of coins in the world you teleport to.

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Trytu

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Re: uncap world portals

eh why only cary over siwtches? just cary over coins and all too

coins rather not, unless you teleporting to the same world,
maybe deaths, effects, special smilleys, effects or/and teleportation count, (and personal switches), but most of them could be just replaced by switch and special place for spawn point
if there would be added an option to teleport to the same world without loosing any progress, it finally would be easy to make interactive portal, just for interaction

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Re: uncap world portals

I have 100+ and it's never enought for what I plan to do :/

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Re: uncap world portals

Relevant discussion from discord: (sorry about bad / incorrect colours, wanted to make it easier to see who's who but couldn't be bothered to find the actual colours)

▼Long

Jet:
suggestion:
make world portals unlimited
the limit is like
a huge roadblock
for the smw world
and they only have to save 2 things
the world id and the target id
signs have much more and theyre unlimited
@Xenonetix
Xenonetix:
Nope
Jet:
y
Xenonetix:
Next suggestion? lol
Zoey2070:
i have a real good one but i'll post in staff chat
Jet:
why Not tho
what is stp[pping YOu mod xenon
Lukem:
What do you need so many portals for? If its for transferring data then I'd be much more open to having some way of including something like switches.
Priddle:
Having the world saving system as bad as it is right now doesn't mean we should make it worse.
Lukem:
(We've already discussed the possibility of transferring data (e.g. through switches), but can't think of a good simple way for it to work)
Jet:
hmm
we need like
1276 world portal
s
JoeyC:
ya
Jet:
for a saving system in our smw level series
and that only saves switch palaces
but
since world portals now have a greater function
i think they should be unlimited
JoeyC:
i think :thinking:
Lukem:
imo actually supporting something like transferring data > making world portals unlimited as a hacky way to transfer data
Jet:
you suggest anything else? like a setting?
Lukem:
idk
Jet:
like an option to transfer over the switches you have set off in one world to another
in world portals
Lukem:
we were thinking about that but just transferring all switches sounds a bit messy
JoeyC:
how else do you expect us to do so
Lukem:
idk , I was hoping you might have some ideas
Priddle:
There's this stuff called JoinData
Lukem:
(ik how we'd actually implement it, its just having a 'transfer all switches' option seems a bit messy)
and I can't think of anything better
Jet:
uh
doesnt really seem messy to me
i mean
switches are like
the main component of a system
nothing else really makes sense to transfer over
Lukem:
yes, but a lot of the time you won't want to transfer most of the switches, and having to build a huge resetter to reset everything else seems annoying
imo it would be better to do it in an opt-in way, where you just have to build something to transfer the switches you need rather than delete everything you don't, but I can't think of a good way to do that
something like a new type of switches that are transferred with world portals, but adding a new type of switches specifically for this seems even more messy
Jet:
not really
like
buying 1 world portal
unlocks red switches
which are saved
and thats basically it
Priddle:
imo that's pretty messy
Lukem:
hmm... I guess I'll think about it / discuss it with the rest of the staff
see if anyone else has any ideas

I really want this sort of thing to be possible, but I don't think we have a good enough solution yet to add it to the game (And I don't think we want having one portal per possible state to be the official way to do it...)
Would be grateful for any ideas about how to do it better...

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Re: uncap world portals

Jet:
suggestion:
make world portals unlimited
the limit is like
a huge roadblock
for the smw world
and they only have to save 2 things
the world id and the target id
signs have much more and theyre unlimited
@Xenonetix
Xenonetix:
Nope
Jet:
y
Xenonetix:
Next suggestion? lol

is this how patreon discord works in a nutshell? lol

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LukeM

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Re: uncap world portals

▼LukeM wrote:

Jet:
suggestion:
make world portals unlimited
the limit is like
a huge roadblock
for the smw world
and they only have to save 2 things
the world id and the target id
signs have much more and theyre unlimited
@Xenonetix
Xenonetix:
Nope
Jet:
y
Xenonetix:
Next suggestion? lol

is this how patreon discord works in a nutshell? lol

Not usually XD
I think its been suggested and replied to multiple times before (or at least similar things have been)

Slabdrill

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Re: uncap world portals

yes, but a lot of the time you won't want to transfer most of the switches, and having to build a huge resetter to reset everything else seems annoying

this... actually seems incorrect to me. a lot of the time most of the switches that i'd need resetting are ones that get reset more often than just when you go through the portal, so i'd need the resetter anyway.

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Trytu

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Re: uncap world portals

Would be grateful for any ideas about how to do it better...

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maybe transfer switches as compact numbers, single numbers (+a character to mark whitch numbers concers switches) would be easier to transfer
switches have 2 options: bool 1, and bool 0, and.... (huh translating would be more messy than i thought, but i'll try to do that even if it's very messy)... firstly you look for first set of switches, from 0 to 7
and write them as 8 bit number, like:  s0*1 + s1*2 + s2*4 + s3*8 + s4*16 + s5*32 + s6*64 + s7*128, and then next set of 8 numbers from 8 to 15, ect...

then it's needed to encode/translate that to the normal formin next world

then you will get 125 numbers,... that is 8 times less than 1000
a small disadvantage is the time spended to translating, for smaller transfer size
but it's still "any idea" so i'm glad you're grateful

Shortcut: encode that to numbers, or letters to save some transfer size

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Re: uncap world portals

I really want this sort of thing to be possible, but I don't think we have a good enough solution yet to add it to the game (And I don't think we want having one portal per possible state to be the official way to do it...)
Would be grateful for any ideas about how to do it better...

Yeah, I agree. Creating a separate switch type would be confusing and pointless. If someone were to use red switches, I would assume that's all they'd use, as I see no reason for anyone to use a mix of both.

Honestly, the only ideas I have are what I mentioned before about making it a world setting, and making it another option on the world portal itself. Whatever the case, it should be restricted to your own worlds only to prevent cheating.

Freckleface

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Re: uncap world portals

There could always be an option on the switch menu to enable saving between worlds. (Per ID of course)

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Re: uncap world portals

if theyre gonna be unlimited theres gonna be same chaos like with signs (rip my 100,000 energy)

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Re: uncap world portals

▼Slabdrill

yes, but a lot of the time you won't want to transfer most of the switches, and having to build a huge resetter to reset everything else seems annoying

this... actually seems incorrect to me. a lot of the time most of the switches that i'd need resetting are ones that get reset more often than just when you go through the portal, so i'd need the resetter anyway.

Well yes, in a lot of the cases where you're just doing it because one world isn't large enough then yes, you'd want to transfer most of the switches, but in cases where the worlds are seperate but linked (like a 'lobby' world and a load of seperate worlds you can play), you'd only want a few switches (e.g. for which worlds you've played and which ones you haven't)

▼Trytu wrote:

Would be grateful for any ideas about how to do it better...

▼Hidden text

maybe transfer switches as compact numbers, single numbers (+a character to mark whitch numbers concers switches) would be easier to transfer
switches have 2 options: bool 1, and bool 0, and.... (huh translating would be more messy than i thought, but i'll try to do that even if it's very messy)... firstly you look for first set of switches, from 0 to 7
and write them as 8 bit number, like:  s0*1 + s1*2 + s2*4 + s3*8 + s4*16 + s5*32 + s6*64 + s7*128, and then next set of 8 numbers from 8 to 15, ect...

then it's needed to encode/translate that to the normal formin next world

then you will get 125 numbers,... that is 8 times less than 1000
a small disadvantage is the time spended to translating, for smaller transfer size
but it's still "any idea" so i'm glad you're grateful

Shortcut: encode that to numbers, or letters to save some transfer size

I have a good idea about how we'd implement it, its just I can't think of a good way to integrate it with the rest of the game.

▼CaRmAgE wrote:

I really want this sort of thing to be possible, but I don't think we have a good enough solution yet to add it to the game (And I don't think we want having one portal per possible state to be the official way to do it...)
Would be grateful for any ideas about how to do it better...

Yeah, I agree. Creating a separate switch type would be confusing and pointless. If someone were to use red switches, I would assume that's all they'd use, as I see no reason for anyone to use a mix of both.

Honestly, the only ideas I have are what I mentioned before about making it a world setting, and making it another option on the world portal itself. Whatever the case, it should be restricted to your own worlds only to prevent cheating.

I was thinking maybe if the switches didn't directly toggle the gates (so they would only toggle gates in the target world, not the one you are currently in), then you would still use normal switches for everything switch related, the world switches would only be used when using world portals.

Then theres the problem where you would need a switch copier though, rather than just using world switches everywhere for things that would need to be transferred...

And yes, whatever the solution it will be restricted the same as world portal IDs (you can only use them in your own worlds, or your crew worlds)

▼Freckleface wrote:

There could always be an option on the switch menu to enable saving between worlds. (Per ID of course)

This still seems like a messy solution though... you'd have to set possibly hundreds of switches in a menu, which would probably be confusing for both the person doing it, and the player...

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Re: uncap world portals

what about in the world portal you select what to save (click button fo rextra menu when worl dportal is selected) will i tbe deaths coins B-coins or any swtich that is toggled you just fill in th enumbers form ids that needs ot be transformed or you sellect ALL for temas same

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Re: uncap world portals

what about in the world portal you select what to save (click button fo rextra menu when worl dportal is selected) will i tbe deaths coins B-coins or any swtich that is toggled you just fill in th enumbers form ids that needs ot be transformed or you sellect ALL for temas same

someone already mentioned that transferring coins could be problematic

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Trytu

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Re: uncap world portals

maybe do a special button, "teleport to the same world with all progress", that allows you to save coins and others, doesn't need to load world again... that makes this portal only "interaction portal"
or instead of making a special button, just look if the world portal target is the same as your world, and that would unlock that button
or change how reset points work, and allow them to reset only some of progress, like only deaths/ switches/ blue coins/ position/ checkpoints/ god mode/ crown

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Re: uncap world portals

maybe do a special button, "teleport to the same world with all progress", that allows you to save coins and others, doesn't need to load world again... that makes this portal only "interaction portal"
or instead of making a special button, just look if the world portal target is the same as your world, and that would unlock that button
or change how reset points work, and allow them to reset only some of progress, like only deaths/ switches/ blue coins/ position/ checkpoints/ god mode/ crown

use rnomal portals fo rthat

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Trytu

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Re: uncap world portals

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maybe do a special button, "teleport to the same world with all progress", that allows you to save coins and others, doesn't need to load world again... that makes this portal only "interaction portal"
or instead of making a special button, just look if the world portal target is the same as your world, and that would unlock that button
or change how reset points work, and allow them to reset only some of progress, like only deaths/ switches/ blue coins/ position/ checkpoints/ god mode/ crown

use rnomal portals fo rthat

i said interaction portal, that mean a portal that you can interact with a button, like c button for NPC's

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