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#151 2016-08-09 03:48:20, last edited by imgood9 (2016-08-09 03:51:24)
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
You should de-anonymise the voters now that it's ineffectual to the voting process.
That kind of defeats the idea of anonymous voting.
Why trust someone with your secret ballot if the person is going to renege on their commitment to privacy?
This is the second time a vote has been held on Zoey's demodding, and it is the second time she has won.
Edit: I considered the idea of having a list of people who voted, and I am not against that idea if it were to be put in place.
But to list people who voted and what they voted would be too far in my opinion.
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#152 2016-08-09 04:04:48
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
XxAtillaxX wrote:You should de-anonymise the voters now that it's ineffectual to the voting process.
That kind of defeats the idea of anonymous voting.
Why trust someone with your secret ballot if the person is going to renege on their commitment to privacy?This is the second time a vote has been held on Zoey's demodding, and it is the second time she has won.
Edit: I considered the idea of having a list of people who voted, and I am not against that idea if it were to be put in place.
But to list people who voted and what they voted would be too far in my opinion.
If they cannot be disclosed, then that negates the point of having a vote in the first place, since Different55 can determine whichever results he wishes.
This is the second time Zoey has been determined to be unfit for moderation by a very large portion of the community, which significance outweighs the difference of 2 points.
She hadn't won anything beyond the sympathy of those who fail to hold authority accountable, most likely out of fear of reprisal, if anything, she is the antithesis to success.
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#153 2016-08-09 04:05:41
#154 2016-08-09 04:15:13
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
diff said that there's no storage of who voted what, only a list of people and a list of votes
I suppose it's not impossible, but that seems, well, odd, given that he produced stats about the voters.
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#155 2016-08-09 04:24:41
Re: Zoey possibly demodded
12345678908642 wrote:diff said that there's no storage of who voted what, only a list of people and a list of votes
I suppose it's not impossible, but that seems, well, odd, given that he produced stats about the voters.
wow i never thought of that lol yeah scratch that last post
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#156 2016-08-09 04:26:06
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
diff said that there's no storage of who voted what, only a list of people and a list of votes
uh
that's
that's not accurate. I could publish the information of everyone who voted but I'm pretty sure a few of the people who voted demod don't want that info publicised. If you could think of a way for me to anonymize the voting info I'd be happy to release it though. As it is I can give you separate lists of everyone who voted (minus one who wants to hide the fact that they voted at all) and a list of all votes, but not both together. I hope you either find this acceptable or find an acceptable alternative.
Also to every one of you who thinks this is somehow over now, it isn't. A 2 point majority is not enough to settle the issue one way or another.
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#157 2016-08-09 04:43:11
Re: Zoey possibly demodded
Also to every one of you who thinks this is somehow over now, it isn't. A 2 point majority is not enough to settle the issue one way or another.
I was hoping so because having two random peoples' opinions decide who moderates the forum seems kind of odd.
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#158 2016-08-09 04:52:48, last edited by Different55 (2016-08-09 04:53:50)
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
alright small change, someone changed their vote. Now it's a 4 point majority which is twice as big as our old majority which means case closed /s
"Final" stats:
+-------+-----------------+---------------------+---------------------+-----------+
| vote | number of votes | avg number of posts | avg registered date | avg # PMs |
+-------+-----------------+---------------------+---------------------+-----------+
| keep | 58 | 1529.1552 | 2015-04-04 02:05:08 | 63.0000 |
| demod | 54 | 1439.3889 | 2015-05-06 20:24:28 | 87.8519 |
+-------+-----------------+---------------------+---------------------+-----------+
EDIT: I realize this info can be used to de-anonymize the user who switched their vote but they already publicly announced it in IRC so I can't say I'm super concerned about it.
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#159 2016-08-09 04:54:56
Re: Zoey possibly demodded
alright small change, someone changed their vote. Now it's a 4 point majority which is twice as big as our old majority which means case closed /s
"Final" stats:
+-------+-----------------+---------------------+---------------------+-----------+
| vote | number of votes | avg number of posts | avg registered date | avg # PMs |
+-------+-----------------+---------------------+---------------------+-----------+
| keep | 58 | 1529.1552 | 2015-04-04 02:05:08 | 63.0000 |
| demod | 54 | 1439.3889 | 2015-05-06 20:24:28 | 87.8519 |
+-------+-----------------+---------------------+---------------------+-----------+
I was about to point out how silly that was before I realized that was sarcastic.
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#160 2016-08-09 05:01:36
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
+-------+--------+
| vote | rep_on |
+-------+--------+
| keep | 0.8448 |
| demod | 0.9623 |
+-------+--------+
One more mildly interesting stat, most demodders have their rep turned on, while a large percentage of keepers shut theirs off.
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#161 2016-08-09 05:08:21
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
▼randomly sorted list of votes made
so, uh, what was the point of this? literally anyone who knew the vote counts (public info) could have made this
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#162 2016-08-09 05:09:48
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
Different55 wrote:▼randomly sorted list of votes madeso, uh, what was the point of this? literally anyone who knew the vote counts (public info) could have made this
would you believe
it was an excuse to make more ASCII tables because I have a deep and lasting passion for ASCII tables
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#163 2016-08-09 05:12:23
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
I would not believe
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#164 2016-08-09 05:18:54
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
here's a fun statistic
there's been like 5 topics with my name in them and like 463 posts throughout all of them
so every time anyone's posted in these topics while i've been online, i've gotten pinged for them because of gregbot on irc
there's no point to this post but here is a statistic anyways
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#165 2016-08-09 05:53:12, last edited by Different55 (2016-08-09 05:54:54)
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
I would not believe
would you believe that I didn't think of that when I made it
EDIT: Also, final announcement on this issue is coming Wednesday. Don't want to do it tonight for reasons and I'm probably not even going to be able to make it on the forums tomorrow, so wednesday it is.
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#166 2016-08-09 11:11:53, last edited by Opengangs (2016-08-09 12:17:50)
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
well, obviously, if it's all anonymous and the votes are done by PM, there will be inconsistency in the voting process. I don't know if we can do it, but I suggest doing a public vote, but the list of people who voted for and against remain anonymous. That way, there will be no bias, as the results remain public, however, the list of voters can still remain private to reduce backlash from the subject being demodded. But yeah, just a suggestion. Feel free to ignore this, if everything is resolved.
Edit: Well, there won't be no bias, I feel like it will heavily reduce any sort of bias
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#167 2016-08-09 12:16:10
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
i can't wait until zoey does something stupid again
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#168 2016-08-09 12:25:01
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
I can see "The Weekly Pool: Should Zoey be mod this week?"
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#169 2016-08-09 12:34:34
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
moderators are allowed to deface signatures with gore without any repercussions.
>her 1 day demodding + ban is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" topic is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" 2nd topic is a repercussion
>this topic and this vote is a repercussion
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#170 2016-08-09 12:41:57
Re: Zoey possibly demodded
XxAtillaxX wrote:moderators are allowed to deface signatures with gore without any repercussions.
>her 1 day demodding + ban is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" topic is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" 2nd topic is a repercussion
>this topic and this vote is a repercussion
yeah but the longest time she spent being demodded is like 12 minutes or something
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#171 2016-08-09 12:43:34, last edited by Pyromaniac (2016-08-09 12:46:05)
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
she is the antithesis to success.
well that seems harsh and melodramatic, but I'm not sure what I expected from you.
I dont think a public vote would be a bad thing. I mean its not like we're voting on "who here is a white supremacist". The worst that would happen is that zoey wouldn't like you, but most of you dont seem to care about that anyway.
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#172 2016-08-09 13:31:14
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
Another person changed their vote. Last time it was because he either misclicked or misunderstood, this time because s/he thought the whole thing was a joke and went with the troll option. I imagine they aren't the only two but they're the only two so far at least.
+-------+-------+
| vote | votes |
+-------+-------+
| keep | 59 |
| demod | 53 |
+-------+-------+
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#173 2016-08-09 13:36:28
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
why are you letting people change votes? that's what made the irc voting complete ****
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#174 2016-08-09 13:39:57
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
well, obviously, if it's all anonymous and the votes are done by PM, there will be inconsistency in the voting process. I don't know if we can do it, but I suggest doing a public vote, but the list of people who voted for and against remain anonymous. That way, there will be no bias, as the results remain public, however, the list of voters can still remain private to reduce backlash from the subject being demodded. But yeah, just a suggestion. Feel free to ignore this, if everything is resolved.
Edit: Well, there won't be no bias, I feel like it will heavily reduce any sort of bias
The votes weren't done in PM, I created a special page for the occasion. Source code is here for anyone interested. I'm not sure what you mean by public vote but everyone having their vote out in the open is more likely to cause bias since they'd be more likely to vote with friends than against.
XxAtillaxX wrote:moderators are allowed to deface signatures with gore without any repercussions.
>her 1 day demodding + ban is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" topic is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" 2nd topic is a repercussion
>this topic and this vote is a repercussion
Her ban was like one day since that's all her warnings netted her but she stayed demodded longer than that.
maxi123 wrote:XxAtillaxX wrote:moderators are allowed to deface signatures with gore without any repercussions.
>her 1 day demodding + ban is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" topic is a repercussion
>"demod zoey" 2nd topic is a repercussion
>this topic and this vote is a repercussionyeah but the longest time she spent being demodded is like 12 minutes or something
4 days*
why are you letting people change votes? that's what made the irc voting complete ****
Are you saying that because it's true or saying that because they're moving away from the option you wanted?
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#175 2016-08-09 13:41:40
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Re: Zoey possibly demodded
Ninja wrote:why are you letting people change votes? that's what made the irc voting complete ****
Are you saying that because it's true or saying that because they're moving away from the option you wanted?
i'm saying it because it's true
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