EE Guardian

ZeldaXD · Before February 2015

Squad wrote:

The Doctor wrote:
Totally off topic: I'm the youngest I win the most younger completion!
On topic:
I am convince that Squad is jealous.
Nah, once school starts I'm out of here on weekdays - and I'm going to try to get a life on the weekends.

Why should we be jealous of guardians?

nathskiix7811 · Before February 2015

the obvious solution to boycotting the guardian choices is to quit ee. or, you know, propose an actual solution instead of just complaining about it.

Koya · Before February 2015

ZeldaXD wrote:

Squad wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Totally off topic: I'm the youngest I win the most younger completion!
On topic:
I am convince that Squad is jealous.
Nah, once school starts I'm out of here on weekdays - and I'm going to try to get a life on the weekends.
Why should we be jealous of guardians?

Admin text, if they get that - if not, nobody wants to be a guardian.

Koya · Before February 2015

nathskiix7811 wrote:

the obvious solution to boycotting the guardian choices is to quit ee. or, you know, propose an actual solution instead of just complaining about it.

We have proposed actual solutions if you have been reading - 3 of the choices should be re-chosen or guardians removed completely.

Creature · Before February 2015

The guardian should be someone that isn't too childish or sarcasm, must be friendly with most users, be active and moderate right, if someone spams, just disable the chat, don't use permabanhammer. Koto is who most fit in those requirements, Ultrabass is alright.

Last edited by Creature (Aug 30 2014 1:11:52 pm)

Koya · Before February 2015

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XxAtillaxX · Before February 2015

If someone does become Guardian, you can have a private level in EE away from them.
Originally Honeybot Ghoster was to prevent bots from seeing rooms, would also apply to Guardians.

Creature · Before February 2015

The guardians shouldn't be able to join visibled false worlds, this is enough.

OrangeCrix · Before February 2015

MFL asked me to post this for him, as he wrote it.

Guardians? The Brat, the Traitor, and the Sleaze

The following is written as a response to this message I received:
"Hey MFL,
I know you've distanced yourself from the Everybody Edits spotlight for the last while, but I'm wondering what your opinions are on the new Guardians? Do you feel that they will do a good job? Are they a good selection to fill the void of community leadership and moderation left by EX Crew's retirement?
Your fan and friend,
TakoMan02"

I've familiarized myself with the details. I thought I was past being surprised when it came to EE administration. The situation isn't pretty. Typically I'm past commenting on such matters, but I am an advocate of Noblesse Oblige. Let's talk about the new leaders:

JAWAPA

I know the least about Jawapa, so I'll have to rely on some information from the forums that my contacts have relayed me:

First, and most alarming, is a quote from someone who wants to remain anonymous (you can find the event it refers to on the forums if you look far enough):
"SCREW YOU JAWAPA you know you fking lied about your 'designing' ANYTHING. I did the template, I have the .psds to prove it but obviously what am i sposed to do? Im not gonna talk to Puppy when its not his fault, its YOURS. But no, u ardy have the money. Congratulsations, u **** screwed me and evryone admires u for it."

Some of us have become desensitized to angry outbursts over the internet. Regardless of swears and capital letters, we often assume the emotional state of a message's author to be relatively benign and indifferent. But in matters of theft, especially in both creative and financial theft, we can believe that the erratic and uncorrected mistakes come from a place of deep, blinding outrage.

There's no record that shows how, or if, this situation was resolved. However, there are many communications of Jawapa himself which corroborate his character:

"My jaw hit the floor. How the hell does seeing a kid in a wheel chair who has no idea wtf is going on around him, brighten your day? The kid can't do anything. I know it would be extremely hard to take someone off of life support, but come on, have them die. WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!?"
"On top of that I think that people bring the remarks onto themselves... allow me to give you an example... Black People: Majority of the black people I know sag their pants to their knees, do drugs, and talk like dumba$$es (like: yo dawg, eh jus wen ta da mov-ie an watch cap-n amarca, it was good). This IS how black people act, FACT... I know this will probably lead to me being raped but oh well..."

As for myself I can only recall one personal experience with Jawapa:

He invited me to play a map of his (it was minis with a big pyramid on top, had an Egyptian feel to it) and asked me to offer a critique. Those of you who have had honest 1-on-1 feedback sessions with me can vouch that I give constructive and detailed feedback when I am asked to. Unfortunately, as I tried to explain the vices of long, dead-end-filled mazes, Jawapa's enthusiasm reversed quickly. Things escalated to profanities and kick threats. . . . Guardians should be able to both withstand and respond positively to feedback and criticism.

NVD

I admit that I am a little unnerved that Nvd has been selected for a Guardian position. I am not sure what kind of dealings haven taken place, and in what amount, but certainly there must be some kind of behind-the-scenes agreement to whitewash Nvd's checkered history and lengthily rap sheet. I've been out of the back channels and closed door meetings for a good while, but back when my connections were live and I was tapping them daily, this is what passed through my inbox regarding Nvd:

- The NBot account leak was intentional. The accounts and passwords are sitting in a .txt file available to Nvd and his coder friends. (scouted by a mole who remains unnamed as s/he is still active)
- Aslai's retirement was in part caused by Nvd's constant cracking and redistribution of his saver (animator)
- Used a private, unreleased bot that joined as a ghost into maps and broke keys for 24+ hours or until map emptied (scouted by doh)

Perhaps most disheartening is this 2012 private message intended for Cyph1e but intercepted by our ops team:

"Tell me what u used to do your snake
How do u do !faces??
I will keep crashing Shift until you talk to me "
I'm not sure what else to add. The nbotbomber map clogging abuse? The public spam bots? The world crashing? That he's banned from these very forums? I don't think more is necessary.

ULTRABASS

This name hit me fairly hard. It's the most personal. Quite honestly, if it wasn't for the intimate knowledge I have of events concerning Ultrabass, and if I knew him only by his in-game demeanor, I would be fine with him as a selection for Guardian. However, Ultrabass's volatility in his private affairs has affected a person close to me. This person is probably known to you as well.

The Bass5098 Affair:

Bass5098 would have been the natural pick for Guardian if he were still in the EE scene. Our old forum mod garnered respect early on from both newbies in the community and the veterans of the time. He even contributed to my maps on occasion.

Some of you may have only known him by his current alias - Bash. Those of you who were around for his name change likely thought nothing of it. A reason was never given, and none was needed. But the reason for it was not as trivial as the change itself.

We'll call the girl 'Amanda' to protect her anonymity.

'Amanda' and Bass5098 were semi-close friends on EE. They were even infrequent collaborators. Bass5098 was an older user on EE and held no disproportionate interest for girls on the internet. He knew 'Amanda' was likely a younger player on EE, and he treated her accordingly. 'Amanda' was not as learned when it came to internet relationships and anonymity. Her name on EE included her real name, which was a common name for a girl. This, we know, attracts a certain kind of attention; and so, one day in a map, a user by the name of Ultrabass started to talk to her. 'Amanda', as I've said, was naive. She thought that this was Bass5098's alternate account. She accepted the new, more direct attentions of this 'Bass', and reciprocated, thinking it was the same person.

Bass5098, having other obligations in his life, did not play EE as frequently as younger users. He played mostly on weekends. You can guess how far things can progress between two kids in only a week's time. A seed of false pretense bloomed rapidly into an e-relationship.

I don't know the details of how exactly Bass5098 realized what had happened, or how messy the reveal was, but it happened relatively quickly. Asking him about it then, it was clear that he was on the whole more amused by the situation than disturbed by it, but still . . . having someone assume your identity in order to gain the favor of a young girl on the internet? He was never that close with 'Amanda', but he felt some sense of responsibility to clear up the situation. Bass5098, being the decent guy that he is, saw the name change to Bash as the easiest way to dispel confusion in the EE community.

But what of Ultrabass? Well, the story continues in a private IRC (I won't name the name of it, but it had some other notable EE personalities there who were witnesses).

Ultrabass often came into the chat and complained about his girlfriend. Complained, is a gentle word. After ignoring a few outbursts, I took a personal interest in this guy - and then I pieced together that he was referring to Amanda. I confronted him about his attitude. Then, as he leaked out more details, I confronted him about the identity mix-up. And . . . it came out that Ultrabass was not so naive about how events transpired. He knew who Bass5098 was, as most people did. He actually knew what was happening, when it happened, with him and Amanda. He realized that 'Amanda's enthusiastic reception of him was disproportionate. He knew that she had mistaken his identity. He never corrected it. If I had to guess, the conflict he was constantly blowing up our IRC about was some kind of friction between her and him, when she had to figure out for herself that he wasn't who she thought he was.

I don't want to say that it was this event that caused Bass5098 to lose interest in EE and its community, but the timeline matches up pretty well. It's sad, because our former forum mod would have made a great Guardian in my opinion.

Oh, and besides all the questionable personal stuff, then there’s the fact that this fake Bass stole users away to a stolen clone of the game he’s supposed to now mod. Odd pick for a Guardian.

KINGOFTHEOZONE

Recusing myself from giving an opinion here, as I have both a personal and professional friendship with Kingoftheozone. Make of that fact what you will.

-

TL;DR: Hmm, the Guardians will have the ability to ban you and delete your maps. Are you sure you don't want to learn all the facts about them?

Last edited by OrangeCrix (Aug 30 2014 1:23:25 pm)

xKiran · Before February 2015

I totally agree with OrangeCrix couldn't explain better than that.
+rep

Koto · Before February 2015

Once/if we become Guardians, I fully plan on making a topoc that I can use to get Feedback/sugesstions on how to do a better job. Idk how much that will change in the long run, I just dont want to see half the forum have heart attacks over this.

mrjawapa · Before February 2015

OrangeCrix wrote:

First, and most alarming, is a quote from someone who wants to remain anonymous (you can find the event it refers to on the forums if you look far enough):

If you want to know something about me, ask.

OrangeCrix wrote:

"SCREW YOU JAWAPA you know you fking lied about your 'designing' ANYTHING. I did the template, I have the .psds to prove it but obviously what am i sposed to do? Im not gonna talk to Puppy when its not his fault, its YOURS. But no, u ardy have the money. Congratulsations, u **** screwed me and evryone admires u for it."

What? I have never been given money for anything online. And if you have psd files of a template that you have already been using for a while, allow me to see them, I would hate to be seen as someone who copies work of others.

EDIT: Wait, is that about processors website? I sent people the link to his credit page (because I couldn't find the actual website) saying that I made the "initial design". At the time I thought he was still using my template. After finding the actual website link in my emails from him, I seen it was completely different.

OrangeCrix wrote:

"My jaw hit the floor. How the hell does seeing a kid in a wheel chair who has no idea wtf is going on around him, brighten your day? The kid can't do anything. I know it would be extremely hard to take someone off of life support, but come on, have them die. WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!?"
"On top of that I think that people bring the remarks onto themselves... allow me to give you an example... Black People: Majority of the black people I know sag their pants to their knees, do drugs, and talk like dumba$$es (like: yo dawg, eh jus wen ta da mov-ie an watch cap-n amarca, it was good). This IS how black people act, FACT... I know this will probably lead to me being raped but oh well..."

I have right to give my opinion on things. You don't have to like, but you should try to respect it.

OrangeCrix wrote:

He invited me to play a map of his (it was minis with a big pyramid on top, had an Egyptian feel to it) and asked me to offer a critique. Those of you who have had honest 1-on-1 feedback sessions with me can vouch that I give constructive and detailed feedback when I am asked to. Unfortunately, as I tried to explain the vices of long, dead-end-filled mazes, Jawapa's enthusiasm reversed quickly. Things escalated to profanities and kick threats. . . . Guardians should be able to both withstand and respond positively to feedback and criticism.

I remember posting this on the forum, but I never invited someone personally to come to my world. Also, there would've been a legit reason for me to threaten to kick you, because I find kicking just leads to spam and a mess I don't want to deal with. I received feedback from many people on that world, why would I lose my head over you talking about a maze? Something else had to of happened there. There is a difference from feedback/criticism and being rude. If you are rude, I will probably become rude as well. I will try to keep calm, but you keep pushing, then you're asking for me to become irate.

Last edited by JaWapa (Aug 30 2014 2:00:34 pm)

Fdoou · Before February 2015

Heh, heh, heh.
Just watch our faith in jheaodfhjibkvdxcl go down with each post he makes!

Koya · Before February 2015

Fdoou wrote:

Heh, heh, heh.
Just watch our faith in jheaodfhjibkvdxcl go down with each post he makes!

I was at bedrock a couple pages ago.

Koto · Before February 2015

"All I'm going to say is nobody got mad when MrShoe became a mod, so why now with Gaurdians?"
*Actually thinks about it*
Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. Old habits die hard, I guess.

Cyclone or Meredith · Before February 2015

This is not the place for spam and off-topic posts.

I will be harsh on those who breach any rules from here on.

mrjawapa · Before February 2015

Fdoou wrote:

Heh, heh, heh.
Just watch our faith in jheaodfhjibkvdxcl go down with each post he makes!

You're right, why am I still commenting on this pointless argument.

Koya · Before February 2015

KingOfTheOzone wrote:

"All I'm going to say is nobody got mad when MrShoe became a mod, so why now with Gaurdians?"
*Actually thinks about it*
Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. Old habits die hard, I guess.

Well he is contributing to the game, guardians aren't.

Cyclone or Meredith · Before February 2015

Also I suggest that rather then posting rubbish about how guardians are crap you should post a solution. I shall be talking with Brian in great depth about this and I will do my utmost to ensure that no irresponsible immature or stupid person receives Guardian.

I also suggest that you voice your concerns about potential guardians on the blog.

mrjawapa · Before February 2015

Squad wrote:

KingOfTheOzone wrote:
"All I'm going to say is nobody got mad when MrShoe became a mod, so why now with Gaurdians?"
*Actually thinks about it*
Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Well he is contributing to the game, guardians aren't.

How is he contributing to the game? He left the game in the corner for a whole year. The guardians aren't even implemented yet, so they can't do anything.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

^ fanboy 2 lololol

Koya · Before February 2015

You forget about the year of updates he gave us, you may have joined after then though.

mrjawapa · Before February 2015

Meredith wrote:

Also I suggest that rather then posting rubbish about how guardians are crap you should post a solution. I shall be talking with Brian in great depth about this and I will do my utmost to ensure that no irresponsible immature or stupid person receives Guardian.
I also suggest that you voice your concerns about potential guardians on the blog.

As of right now, you need to give everyone a chance. I would even like to see how ultrabass does.

Koya · Before February 2015

JaWapa wrote:

Meredith wrote:
Also I suggest that rather then posting rubbish about how guardians are crap you should post a solution. I shall be talking with Brian in great depth about this and I will do my utmost to ensure that no irresponsible immature or stupid person receives Guardian.
I also suggest that you voice your concerns about potential guardians on the blog.
As of right now, you need to give everyone a chance. I would even like to see how ultrabass does.

I think once we know what guardians can do, we know how the guardians are going to act.

Koto · Before February 2015

Squad wrote:

KingOfTheOzone wrote:
"All I'm going to say is nobody got mad when MrShoe became a mod, so why now with Gaurdians?"
*Actually thinks about it*
Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Well he is contributing to the game, guardians aren't.

I was commenting more on, people would complain no matter who was picked. People have been complaining since the start. So honestly, there is no way this wasnt going to happen.

Could the selection have been better? The selection could always be better. There is a chance that whoever gets to act as one in the start, wont be one for long, and that there would be more than the four of us.

This is something huge, that is just starting, you can't get that mad that it isnt perfect from the start.
I need to stop posting here, this is annoying on my phone.

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