Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Norwee · 2022-08-29 15:50:57

Setup information

- 13 player slots
- There will be only 2 factions, the town and the mafia
- Mafia has daytalk.
- Closed setup, meaning most of the roles possible to find in the setup is a strict secret. However this will be an balanced setup with not too many power roles! (Hint: More than 2, less than 13)
- The mafia is confirmed to have an Traitor. The traitor is an member of the mafia that knows their teammates but can not communicate with their faction through other channels. And can not perform the factional kill unless they are the sole member remaining. The other mafia is not informed of this players identity in their role.
- Multi-tasking is in effect for any roles with multiple powers.
- Sample VT role pm:

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Game information

- 72 hour day deadline. 24 hour night. Majority vote to eliminate an player ends the day. Deadline ending without an majority vote results in no elimination made.
- To vote for an player type "!Vote Username"
Preferably with bold text. like so: !Vote Norwee
Unvoting: "!Unvote"
Additionally you may vote for no elimination by doing so: "!No Elimination" or "!No Lynch" or "!Sleep"

SURVIVOR: Minimania Mafia Goon
SURVIVOR: BuzzerBee Mafia Role Cop

ELIMINATED D1: AllenCaspe9510 Vanilla Townie
KILLED N1: Lumi Vanilla Townie

ELIMINATED D2: ShadowsEdge Traitor Watcher
KILLED N2: ElijahBaley Town Cop

ELIMINATED D3: Marshmallow Marshall Vanilla Townie
KILLED N3: Grilyon2 Vanilla Townie

ELIMINATED D4: 2b55b5g Town Neighbour
KILLED N4: Big Bon Jovi/Oliwaz144 Vanilla Townie

ELIMINATED D5: Nuclear Gandhi Vanilla Townie
ENDGAMED: Pqwerty Miller Vengeful Neighbour
ENDGAMED: Onjit/Gikkle Ascetic Fruit Vendor

BuzzerBee, Onjit, Grilyon2, ShadowsEdge, Pqwerty, Minimania

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 18:12:58

Hello everyone.

Anyone got a summary of the interesting stuff that has happened so far? Only 19 pages so I'll be able to read up fairly quick but a summary in the mean time would be helpful.

BuzzerBee

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 18:27:31

What are your current thoughts Pqwerty?

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 18:41:13

ShadowsEdge wrote:

With only 2 mafia who know each other

How do we know this? I don't see this anywhere in the OP.

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 18:46:28

ElijahBaley wrote:

Gikkle wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
With only 2 mafia who know each other
How do we know this? I don't see this anywhere in the OP.
Lmao I'd laugh if that was a scum slip, but... I recall reading that in normal games with 13 players, there are 3 scum. Since we know one of the scum is a traitor, I am guessing that leaves 2 scum that know each other 100%.

He says it very confidently though. Doesn't even mention that it's just his assumption.

Also a 300 second post cooldown? What's with that lol

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 18:50:19

Pqwerty wrote:

Gikkle wrote:
What are your current thoughts Pqwerty?
I'm at a weird spot rn since I think a lot of people are town.
Grilyon gets a town pass for it being their first game. I like Elijah's responses today so he feels more town to me. I know I'm town. I'm at the point where I need to start reevaluating the people who got an early townread (2B, Shadow, BB, Gandhi) because at the end of the day, not everyone can be town.

Why was shadow an early townread?

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 18:56:58

Why is gandhi resting his vote on a completely inactive player? what does he expect to gain from that

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 19:28:50

Pqwerty wrote:

I'm gonna be mad if the mafia is just quietly lurking and it turns out to be Bon Jovi, Gandhi, and Shadow.
I'm not saying they are mafia, but I am saying I'd be mad if they all were.

Gandhi is lurking?

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 19:31:35

ShadowsEdge wrote:

ElijahBaley wrote:
The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties.
This is from the Mafia scum page on Normal Games. @ShadowsEdge how do you know there's only 2 scum?
It was a slip, but not a scumslip, it relates to my role, I don't want to say a whole lot about it because there is more to it than just knowing how many mafia there are, but yeah, in any regard at least I can now publicly confirm that there's 2 mafia.

Hm.

What are your reads on everyone?

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 19:44:42

2b55b5g wrote:

hi i just woke up so i’ll backread later, but i’ll say this random fun theory that i had, note that this theory doesn’t really affect my view on Pqwerty, my brain just likes to think of theories that most likely don’t matter
what if Pqwerty is mafia fakeclaiming an anti-town role, using it as an excuse to not claim in the future?
obviously it’s just a dumb theory so im not gonna read Pqwerty based on that

2b55b5g wrote:

Pqwerty wrote:
Oh also 2b and Gandhi, do you have any opinions on people so far? I've seen a lot of theorizing but idk where your heads are at.
Gandhi looks townie to me, mainly for the same reason that Shadow townread them. i also like their approach of giving simpler reads to new people, it seems to me that they're making an effort to try and solve the game. i like their post about voting on D1 as well, it's probably common sense to vote D1, but they also added Norwee's intent to their reasoning, which further proves that they want to solve the game.
Marshmallow also looks like a townie. i like their response in post #31 regarding to Gandhi's idea about Elijah being the traitor that breadcrumbed. maybe it's just me but i feel like if Marshmallow was mafia, their response would've been more defensive? same goes to post #33 where they liked the reasoning.
another reason why i townread them is because they voted Pqwerty. Pqwerty claims to be an anti-town role, so it's probably the best for mafia to keep them alive, hence why i think Marshmallow probably isn't mafia.
side note i also like their take on traitor breadcrumbing (post #91)
i slightly townread BuzzerBee. it probably means nothing but i just like his enthusiasm to read into posts.
Pqwerty is interesting to me. i do kinda believe his anti-town claim, because claiming that as a mafia is pretty bold imo, especially in the first post, and like Shadow said, we'll likely see the effects of it at some point.
im not sure what to think or say about his reads. the main thing i wanna say is his argument about serious vs joke, it seems like a misinterpretation of what Marshmallow said, especially the joke part. i assume Pqwerty probably thought that Elijah's vote on BuzzerBee was a joke, but Marsh didnt assume that, so there was a bit of a disconnect there. he later clarified his thought as well on post #114, so i dont think he's necessarily trying to make Marshmallow look bad?
other than that i dont really know what to think of him. he seems like he's trying to help by constantly asking questions, so i guess i'll townread him for now (i guess because i dont really like his vote on Minimania), but i'll also wait to see more due to the anti-town situation.
i want to townread Elijah, but i'll wait to see more of them before townreading. there isnt much to say about them right now, they said stuff about wanting to lynch scum and not town, and how easy it is to make townie posts especially in early game. these aren't bad posts but idk if it's necessarily alignment indicative. though i like their defense/discussion about the traitor.
i also dont think there's much to say about Minimania. i like his question and response to Gandhi. he also said that he doesnt feel comfortable giving Gandhi a townread, and i think that's fair. however, he is also slightly inclined to believe that Grilyon is innocent, and i disagree with that.
other than that im confused why he unvoted after saying "what anti town role can you be if not Mafia". idk if i should townread him so i'll wait to see more
Grilyon probably never played before, but i dont think that affects their role. i also think they kinda know whats going on, because they have been wooting posts that placed a vote on Pqwerty (post #107, #119). im curious if Grilyon has any other reason for supporting the Pqwerty wagon, other than what's already been said. it's also strange how they wooted those posts but never voted.
i kinda like Shadow and his reads so far, especially on Pqwerty and Grilyon, but idk what to say other than that lol
i dont have an opinion on everyone else.
also i know that im probably townreading too many people, but thats just how i am

2b55b5g wrote:

minimania can be town as well for voting Pqwerty, due to the anti-town thing, i almost forgot about that

2b55b5g wrote:

sorry for triple-posting but i just realized this, is it a stretch to say that Grilyon = mafia, is the reason why they wooted posts, but never actually voted? because mafia doesn’t want to lose an anti-town role?

2b55b5g wrote:

2b55b5g wrote:
minimania can be town as well for voting Pqwerty, due to the anti-town thing, i almost forgot about that
wait im dumb, i forgot he also unvoted lol, i think this still makes sense though

I like these posts by 2b. Seems like I can actually see her brain working and trying to solve, and it seems genuine. The "i just realized this" post about Grilvon stands out to me a particularly townie train of thought.

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 19:47:33

These recent Buzzer posts vibe town imo

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 21:55:48

Pqwerty wrote:

Wait uh, Norwee said that there wouldn't be more than 3 mafia in the signup thread.
I just assumed that meant 2 mafia and a traitor because 1 mafia 1 traitor seems off.
Shadow is your role custom or something? Cuz why would a town role say "there are exactly 2 mafia"?

Where was this?

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 22:23:13

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Gikkle who are you scumreading right now?

I only just finished reading up.

The people I got patently bad vibes from are Minimania and Marshmallow Marshall. Well, and you, to a degree.

I feel like if Elijah is a wolf, they're the traitor.

2b55b5g - Liked their posts reading up. Thought process seemed natural, especially the quotes I quoted earlier.
Pqwerty - very slight town? I liked their post earlier trying to find reasons to town read everybody, and reasons to wolf read everybody. I think that shows an open mindedness that comes more from town than wolves. His "anti town role" thing is NAI bc I could see a wolf doing it for town points (or just to set up a claim for later).
Big Bon Jovi - They're my mason partner.
BuzzerBee - Liked their reads list and their most recent posts had good vibes.
Nuclear Gandhi - Really liked their day 1, particularly his entrance showing awareness of Elijah potentially trying to drop hints to his buddies. I also liked P#154. Other posts are just generally well thought out and I think would be difficult for a wolf to make. Pretty confident this is town.
Grilyon - No thoughts. Lumi thought this was town though so I'll sheep that.

Ordered, my initial reads look like this (though they will absolutely end up changing as I haven't yet had a chance to really interact with anyone yet):

-Town-
Gandhi
Big Bon Jovi

-Light Town-
2b55b5g

-Very light town-
BuzzerBee

-Null leaning town-
Grilyon
Pqwerty

-Null-
Elijah (don't feel like this is a wolf if this isn't the traitor)

-PoE-
Shadows
Minimania
Marshmallow Marshall

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 23:16:21

So have a little less than 17 hours? We should come to a consensus on a target then. I'll likely vote in the above. Assuming that doesn't change before the EoD.

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 23:17:54

Gikkle wrote:

So have a little less than 17 hours? We should come to a consensus on a target then. I'll likely vote in the above. Assuming that doesn't change before the EoD.

Above PoE*
Also of course it goes to a new page right when I refer to an "above post"

Gikkle · 2022-09-05 23:29:46

Gikkle wrote:

Pqwerty wrote:
Wait uh, Norwee said that there wouldn't be more than 3 mafia in the signup thread.
I just assumed that meant 2 mafia and a traitor because 1 mafia 1 traitor seems off.
Shadow is your role custom or something? Cuz why would a town role say "there are exactly 2 mafia"?
Where was this?

If Pqwerty is right about this, then I don't see why Shadows would have a role that would tell him about this at all.

I don't see any post by Norwee that would make Pwerty think this though. Maybe I'm missing something?

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 01:13:37

FINAL VOTE COUNT:
[7] AllenCaspe9510: Lumi, Grilyon2, ElijahBaley, 2b55b5g, Nuclear Gandhi, BuzzerBee, Minimania

[2] Minimania: Pqwerty, ShadowsEdge
[1] ElijahBaley: Marshmallow Marshall

[3] Not voting: Onjit, AllenCaspe9510, Big Bon Jovi

VOTE COUNT 3 HOURS BEFORE EoD:

[4] Minimania: Pqwerty, 2b55b5g, ShadowsEdge, ElijahBaley
[3] ElijahBaley: Marshmallow Marshall, Nuclear Gandhi, Minimania
[2] AllenCaspe9510: Lumi, Grilyon2
[1] Grilyon2: BuzzerBee

[3] Not voting: Onjit, AllenCaspe9510, Big Bon Jovi

What I find interesting here is that despite 2 other wagons that could have happened (both of which were bigger than Allen's wagon at this point), it all consolidated onto Allen, someone who FOUR PEOPLE on Allen's wagon said they town read or did not want to vote (minimania, Gandhi, Buzzerbee, 2b55b5g)

I question Gandhi especially, who scumread BOTH the alternate wagons, and said they thought Allen was "pure". He was also the one that made it pretty much impossible to have a lynch other than Allen.

2b55b5g wrote:

i’d prefer voting Elijah instead of Allen, idk, Allen’s reads were kinda weird and somewhat confusing, but i find Elijah to be more scummy. some people voted Elijah as well, so i don’t really see why we’re going with Allen

Minimania wrote:

I dont want to vote Allen here man, bruh

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

I want to go through a quick process of elimination to see whom I'm more ok to vote for elimination for Day1.
First 3 names I want to cross out are more principle based: Big Bon Jovi, Grilyon2, Lumi.
BBJ and Grilyon2 have never played before.
Lumi posted a "slank cover" in their signup.
It might not be to the likings of everyone, but those are not players I wish to Day1 eliminate for being inactive.
Marshmallow Marshall is the towniest player in this game as far as I'm concerned so far. Is the most active in the scumhunting process of the game + his progression in the game looks so linear and smooth to me. One thing that I did not understand and looked a little strange to me though was the question/conclusion at the end of #90. As Elijah said: "The vote on MM was the joke not buzzerbee"
Pqwerty is 2nd only to MM when it comes to active scumhunting (as opposed to passive scumhunting: providing observations and ideas from the side lines), and that's something that this game is lacking a bit. Just to be clear, I don't think of their ISO as clearing. They're more active hunting than most of us this game, but I don't think it's much for FM in general.
For me, 2b55b5g and BuzzerBee both hold the gold medal in providing unique and solid ideas in their reads lists. 2b55 has the highest post count at the present of the players in this list but I find more of their takes or actions disagreeable, so in my mind brain they share a spot with BB who's content is I think 1 reads list. Go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
AllenCaspe9510, I just find their reads list extremely based lol. I love it. I can see others wouldn't, but to me it's just so pure if that makes any sense?

To be yet decided
Minimania
Why I want to put Minimania in the list above:
1) They didn't know there's no third party. Possibly a town slip.
2) They at least have the minimal appearance of wolfhunting, which is more than I see in the players below.
Why I want to put Minimania in the list below:
1) Initially when Pqwerty called Minimania fillery - I agreed with that take. Minimania's reaction to what Pqwerty said was overly OMGUS, which was also the first post that didn't look like filler anymore. They immediatly took their OMGUS vote back with "Oh, yeah you know what, that's entirely fair." the moment Pqwerty said something like "I just wanted to see you talk". Granted, that's also when Minimania learned there's no third party in the game - which was what they accused Pqwerty of. But other than the slight sus on me and Lumi, that reaction was the only time it felt like a real participation in the game from them.
To adress the defense of Minimania: that there are way less active players so why aren't their posts called "fillers". The difference is - the posts of those other's aren't even trying to look like contributing, whereas the early Minimania's posts, they look more showy than of actual use.
ShadowsEdge
Other than commenting on general things like voting day1 or assuming optimal play, shadowedge has commented 3 things:
-My focus on myself is towny.
-Pqwerty's role claim is towny.
-Grilyon's passiveness is off-putting.
It feels more genuine than Minimania, but is still lacking and easily fakable.

Players I've in PoE
Onjit is posting, but isn't participating in the game. Someone said that's normal for them. Fair, voting there would be more random than anything, but eliminating such a slot can be only good for Town. To be fair, the same could be said about the 2 new players and Lumi - so there's something to be said about there not being enough room for policy eliminations like that.
I seen people say good words about ElijahBaley voting Marshmallow Marshall in their opening post. Trust me, you probably see that 90% of the games they're both in. With that in mind, can someone show me signs of interest in scumhunting/gamesolving by Elijah outside of the early vote on Bee?
The only other thing of interest to him was: not voting anti town role for being an anti town role. Ok, there was also the "Townie post but that doesn't really mean anything IMO. Easy to make townie posts, especially early game. Will be you waiting for hear more from you." post if you stretch it - but that's kinda filler.
Look at posts from 2b55 or Marshmallow or Pqwerty, then open Elijah's ISO to compare. Can someone genuinly tell me they see intent to scumhunt in there?

!vote Elijah

BuzzerBee wrote:

other note: i'm against voting to lynch AllenCaspe9510. doesn't look like he's said anything yet so i'd like to get a proper read first before just lynching for inactivity. hopefully he and Big Bon Jovi come back to say something soon

How did 4 people that didn't want to vote Allen, and I'm pretty sure all expressed suspicion on at least one of Elijah or Minimania, end up voting Allen?

2b55b5g wrote:

Minimania wrote:
I didn't think I had to actually come out and say this but I was mostly sus of Pqwerty because I thought he was bating us as a Serial Killer. I'm not sus on him anymore at all, besides the base level sus I have for everyone.
Minimania wrote:
But still then, what anti town role can you be if not Mafia?
i was confused because i thought you meant that an anti town role cant be anything but mafia
also theres a 3 way tie of 3 votes between mini, elijah, and allen right now. i'll switch my vote to allen since he's the one that spoke the least among those three.
@Allen you also posted earlier, do you mind voting someone?
!vote Allen

Here is @2b55b5g 's justification. But they explicitly said earlier they preferred an Elijah lynch.

This post is really targeted to @2b55b5g and @Nuclear Gandhi. Both contradicted earlier statements and made Allen an actually viable lynch over the other wagons. Buzz and Mini sort of have an excuse bc having a lynch *is* better than a no-lynch happening, and by the time of their votes there wasn't really an alternative.

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 01:22:20

Btw, @ protectives, don't waste your protects on me. Not that I think I'm gonna be a particularly popular protect target, but it still needs to be said.

Why? Well, let's just say I have my own means of protection

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 01:35:57

Minimania wrote:

Aight it's 5 pm but my sleep schedule is **** up, I just woke up
These are some cool developments, welcome to the forums Gikkle!
Immediate thoughts on Gikkle: made a claim to be masons with Big Bon Jovi. That's risky as **** to do early on if you're scum so I don't see that coming from there. Either they really are masons or perhaps Onjit was a cop and investigated Jovi, found he was innocent, and Gikkle took up the mantle. Either way, pretty townie so I'll trust him and Jovi

Not enthused about this justification for town reading me. You don't know my meta - what if I do risky scum gambits all the time?

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 04:19:31

!Vote ShadowsEdge

I'm gonna place my vote here for now, just in case I can't get on tomorrow morning. I may end up changing my vote if he gives me a reason to believe he's town.

This should place him on L-2, so nobody else vote until right before EoD.

2b55b5g wrote:

2b55b5g wrote:
Gikkle wrote:
Here is @2b55b5g 's justification. But they explicitly said earlier they preferred an Elijah lynch.

This post is really targeted to @2b55b5g and @Nuclear Gandhi. Both contradicted earlier statements and made Allen an actually viable lynch over the other wagons. Buzz and Mini sort of have an excuse bc having a lynch *is* better than a no-lynch happening, and by the time of their votes there wasn't really an alternative.
i only switched votes when there was a 3-way-tie of 3 votes between Mini, Allen, and Elijah (Elijah switched from Mini to Allen later in the day). I figured a lynch probably wouldn’t happen if I don’t switch. I could’ve voted Elijah but Lumi said to keep him, so I followed and voted Allen.
i didn’t explain that clearly when voting Allen, my reasoning was “he spoke the least” or something, but i still had what Lumi said in mind

Mmm. Why did what Lumi said dictate how you voted? Did you trust Lumi more than you scumread Elijah?

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 04:20:06

Pqwerty wrote:

I'm most likely going to be at school during EOD tomorrow, so I'm going to say some quick thoughts before bed.
Shadow's claim seems like a slip and also Lumi was suspicious of MM, ShadowsEdge, and Mini, and now they're dead.
If Shadow flips town, that's when we should start reevaluating slots like 2B/Gandhi.
!vote ShadowsEdge

oh, I was sniped
!unvote shadowsedge

Minimania

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 04:22:01

Pqwerty wrote:

I'm most likely going to be at school during EOD tomorrow, so I'm going to say some quick thoughts before bed.
Shadow's claim seems like a slip and also Lumi was suspicious of MM, ShadowsEdge, and Mini, and now they're dead.
If Shadow flips town, that's when we should start reevaluating slots like 2B/Gandhi.
!vote ShadowsEdge

I don't remember Lumi expressing suspicion on MM. I also was under the impression that Lumi changed their mind about Mini.

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 04:22:51

Gikkle wrote:

Pqwerty wrote:
I'm most likely going to be at school during EOD tomorrow, so I'm going to say some quick thoughts before bed.
Shadow's claim seems like a slip and also Lumi was suspicious of MM, ShadowsEdge, and Mini, and now they're dead.
If Shadow flips town, that's when we should start reevaluating slots like 2B/Gandhi.
!vote ShadowsEdge
oh, I was sniped
!unvote shadowsedge

Gonna have to make sure I get on early tomorrow then
not gonna vote now bc I don't a hammer to happen too early

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 04:23:51

Pqwerty wrote:

If Shadow flips town, that's when we should start reevaluating slots like 2B/Gandhi.

Only thing that really worries me about Gandhi is how they seemed to contradict themselves yesterday about Allen

Gikkle · 2022-09-06 04:41:35

Pqwerty wrote:

Lumi wrote:
Pqwerty wrote:
Wait how’d you go from agreeing with me that ShadowsEdge isn’t giving any reads to ShadowsEdge is town?
His posts lately are townie. He seems totally fine with just letting me lead without a conditionality to it of only liking me for pushing a particular player - in fact he's the one who got the vote on Allen before I did. Wolves generally don't see a confident town and then go "ya let's just sheep them before they've posted a read on me" - like that second part is critically important - ShadowsEdge came to the conclusion that I'm likely just town before I actually stated my read. I suppose he could have inferred it from me agreeing with his vote, but it's wolves get spooked at the idea of sheeping a leader type player that could then turn on them because they haven't actually stated a read on them yet.
He also liked my post earlier about me pointing out that people were townreading him despite him not actually having made any real substantive reads yet - soft unpairs him with those three and there's a decent enough chance that there is a wolf among that grouping >rand at the very least.
Lumi wrote:
Marshmallow Marshall feels awkward and uncomfortable.
Lumi wrote:
I don't know what the heck Minimania is doing right now, I thought his aggressive push was townie, but then he just immediately recanted it and gave up. No towncred there.
Also onjit and BigBonJovi seriously need to do something this game
His OMGUS early on felt unnatural and not like the kind of reaction I would expect from him. Like I saw nothing to suspect pqwerty and yet MM thought it was enough to warrant an OMGUS vote rather than like just going back and forth or something.
The suspicion onto Elijah also feels very misplaced.
Ah I misremembered. Lumi was suspicious of MM and Mini, and changed their mind about ShadowsEdge at the end.

Oh I got lumi's read on mini and shadow mixed up

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