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#28 2022-09-04 19:33:11
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
Elijah can you explain why you think BB and MM are mafia?
I looked back at BB's ISO and I don't understand your argument. You accuse him of promising to be active and then not being active (#47 in your ISO), but from his ISO I see him periodically checking in and participating (#9,#10 in BB's iso).
Why are you so convinced that it's BB? Do you have any other reasons? And do you have a case against MM?
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#29 2022-09-04 22:15:47
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
i’m curious to hear peoples opinions on onjit, bon jovi, and minimania
I have no idea about Onjit and Bon Jovi, but Mini's townreads seem okay. I wish there were more from Mini since Grilyon, Allen, Lumi, and me aren't super insightful townreads. If Mini is trying to narrow down the potential suspects by townreading people, I think he needs more townreads. Basically I feel better about Mini but I'd feel even better if they had more townreads.
!vote Marshmellow Marshall
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#30 2022-09-05 00:43:28
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
!unvote
I just thought I'd be like Gandhi and start randomly voting people to drum up activity.
I don't know why Gandhi voted BB after saying BB was one of his top townreads. I don't know why Gandhi voted the super inactive Bon Jovi.
Today has been really slow so far and I wanted something to happen.
But also you're a slot I'm really on the fence about. I reread your ISO and you've mostly been tunneling Elijah and asking for reads/opinions, but you haven't really given many yourself.
Also, whenever I think about it who the mafia pairs are, so far your name always shows up. Elijah blames you and BB. Gandhi blames you and Elijah. You OMGUS'd with Mini which made me wonder if you two were paired. You and Gandhi both tunneled Elijah and didn't give much of a reason for it. Like Lumi was asking you two a lot if you had a meta read on Elijah or any reason because it just seemed like you were relentlessly attacking Elijah for no good reason.
Can you help me read you by posting some opinions?
Tbh the people I really want to solve today are you, Gandhi, and Elijah.
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#33 2022-09-05 03:14:33
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
Ok so I made a compiled list of average reads. +1 for town +0 for null -1 for mafia, divided by the number of reads on that person.
1. 2B (1)
2. Gandhi (.66)
3. BB (.66)
4. Pqwerty (.625)
5. ShadowsEdge (.57)
6. Grilyon (0.5)
7. Mini (0.17)
8. MM (0.11)
9. Big Bon Jovi (0)
10. Onjit (-0.4)
11. Elijah (-0.66)
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#35 2022-09-05 03:29:40
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
I say we need to simplify. We have 2 Mischops until LYLO and if Elijah makes it to LYLO, the overall town read says he’ll probably get chopped. I think we need to put Elijah out of his misery and vote him today.
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#36 2022-09-05 03:33:08
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
Also I wouldn’t call it scientific sheeping. The hope is that we’ll get a more accurate opinion on everyone if we take in account everyone’s opinion. As in, hopefully the trusting opinions and paranoid opinions balance out and give us something accurate
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#38 2022-09-05 04:09:13
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
Ah Mini thinks they know my role. I think they said they might know what it is, but don’t want to share it. Maybe they misunderstood you asking for an explanation for their reads as you asking to explain what they think my role is?
I can find the post if you want, but I’m on mobile so I didn’t quote it here.
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#40 2022-09-05 14:25:10
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
So Elijah you wanted us to give reasons for voting you and I'm going to give my strongest reasons first and other reasons next.
1. I understand that it's hard to get reads, and I understand that you're struggling. The fact that you're so convinced that MM is mafia and Mini is town after saying you're struggling to make reads is unusual. This might be another case like Buzzerbee where you saw limited evidence and then got fully convinced, only to reevaluate later. Like maybe you just haven't reevaluated them yet. So either you're confident in your reads because you have inside information, or you're unjustifiably confident in potentially flimsy reads.
2. I don't want to take you to LYLO. If you're town, the condorcet indicates that you'll probably be the target of the chop on LYLO. If you're mafia and made it to LYLO, that means the town probably spent the last 2 days tunneling you and not reading anyone else. You're a hard slot to solve and I'd rather it be now than on LYLO.
3. You said so yourself at the end of #56 in your ISO that you pushed Mini and have him as 99% town. Why push a townread?
tldr; Upon further inspection, my vote on you is more of a policy lynch. If you can explain why MM is mafia I think I'd be more inclined to go that way, but you're my vote today until then. Actually I'm on you in spirit. I'm gonna unvote so that no one swoops in and hammers.
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#45 2022-09-05 18:17:43
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
Uh, we're sort of stuck.
I'm anti-town, Mini proposed looking for townreads above scumreads and averaging town opinions, Elijah is a slot that people are looking into, it's Grilyon's first game but they went MIA with Bon Jovi and your slot. Everything else is really dragging along. Lots of paranoia but people are finding each other, I think. We could use a fresh opinion cuz ours are kinda going stale
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#47 2022-09-05 18:46:43
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
What are your current thoughts Pqwerty?
I'm at a weird spot rn since I think a lot of people are town.
Grilyon gets a town pass for it being their first game. I like Elijah's responses today so he feels more town to me. I know I'm town. I'm at the point where I need to start reevaluating the people who got an early townread (2B, Shadow, BB, Gandhi) because at the end of the day, not everyone can be town.
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#48 2022-09-05 19:05:08
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
Why was shadow an early townread?
Shadow was giving a lot of general info on playing the game iirc. I thought it was mostly NAI but I guess people really liked it.
Why is gandhi resting his vote on a completely inactive player? what does he expect to gain from that
I think he was trying to drum up activity, but he also voted BB who is like one of his top reads. Looking back at both of their ISOs idk why we gave either a tr
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#49 2022-09-05 19:06:27
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Re: Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)
i think Pqwerty is flying too far under everyone's radar
it's interesting to say "i'm anti-town, lynch me if you want"
well maybe today is the day we get Pqwerty? it seems like everyone is at a stalemate, so lynching Pqwerty would at best get rid of 1 scum and at worst get rid of someone whose role could be detrimental to us moving forward
agree
!vote Pqwerty
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