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#26 2022-07-15 03:40:37
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
I don't see it. The voteflip immidiently before twiligiht is the same yesterday. If they were an executioner they would have won with that tactic. Why could 't a gladiator? preventing them from declaring 12 hours before the vote is over would be much smarter than invalidating all the votes.
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#28 2022-07-15 03:48:41
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
No, it isn't. either we play by the stated rules or not at all, I simply don't have time for last minute rule changes.
It's also quite "fun" that my vote just invalidated Norwee's vote. I guess they should play the game 24/7 too.
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#29 2022-07-15 03:51:17
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
Minimania: Your quote mentions nothing about redefining the term majority. In any democratic modern voting system the majority is determined by those that vote, which is exactly how the majority was determined last time. The Gladiator rules don't justify this change in definition.
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#30 2022-07-15 03:59:27
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
Yes, and?
Regardless of weather you mentioned it the defintiion *hasen't* been changed. Rules often have completely redundent parts to avoid people having to read everything to figure out what is right. In this case both vote styled mentol that a majority has to be reached (even if the normal rule sais "whichever player was voted for the most" which id the usual definition of majority)
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#32 2022-07-15 04:14:35
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
No, the normal rules say that the elimination does not occur *at the time of reaching majority* but rather on the end of day.
The only other interpretation you are suggesting that eliminations can never happen when a majority is reached, which makes no sense. A majority *was* reached yesterday which is exactly why the elimination took place.
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#33 2022-07-15 04:18:48
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
I am not sure why you think a sleuth would have no interest in eliminating an oppressor. It would verify me as sleuth for the rest of the game. I am only annoyed about the rules changing for no apparent readon.
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#34 2022-07-15 04:20:16
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
Era wrote:No, the normal rules say that the elimination does not occur *at the time of reaching majority* but rather on the end of day.
The only other interpretation you are suggesting that eliminations can never happen when a majority is reached, which makes no sense. A majority *was* reached yesterday which is exactly why the elimination took place.- A lynch will not occur when a majority has been reached. A lynch can only occur when the day ends. When a day ends, all lynch votes will be counted, and whichever player was voted for the most will be executed after factoring in role modifiers and abilities. If you do not vote, your vote will be counted as !sleep. Players can vote to not lynch anyone during the day by using the !sleep command.
See the bolded.
Yes, the word "when" refers to time, not to a conditional of logic.
"which player was voted for the most" is the definition of a majority.
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#35 2022-07-15 04:25:29
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
You putting things in bold does appsarently not help your reading comprehension. The only claim that paragraph makes is that lync votes will be counted at the end of the day at which point a majority is determined and the lynch does *not* occur immidiently upon reaching a majority
Why do you assume that counting votes is somehow not a thing for the gladiator vote? that makes no sense.
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#36 2022-07-15 04:26:43
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
To be fair, I do understand the miscommunication if you're not familiar with how the term majority is typically used. So I do think it's a genuine misunderstanding.
I am familiar with the term majority, I am familiar with severall voting systems, living in a democracy. This usage you are advocating for is just plainly wrong.
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#37 2022-07-15 04:38:37
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
Familiarity is irrelevant if is reinterpreted in the same ruleset twice to mean different things. I don't see how you expect people to know that "the rules are just wrong, we redefined these words, but only in some parts"
Anyway. The vote for gladiator should only take into account votes for the gladiator and the challengee to determine whom to lync. As the rules alreadys say by using the term majority...
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#43 2022-07-16 08:35:29
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
Yeah, this confuses me massively, why does this matter for a forum? In german there isn't really anything for this or a concept, only that nouns have a gender and you use the words for the gender of the noun, not the person.
I can try to use the they form if you really care...
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#45 2022-07-16 08:47:35
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
No, the goon info in the rules explicitly sais it is the only killing role.
The only alternative is that onjit is neutral, lied about beeing sentinel, randomly guessed the flagbearer and di not kill althea as vigilante. Which seems very unlikely
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#46 2022-07-16 08:51:29
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
Actually to my last post I meant more in the sense that they can only kill with a goon and there is no goon. I do think there's a 3rd mafia, which is pretty much what i was saying.
Yes thats possible, but threat assesment sais we should leave the mafia alone and focus on the plaquebearer.
After executing N1KF for killing the jailer.
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#50 2022-07-16 12:13:58
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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]
I considered giving some convoluted explanations for why Era's Serial Killer claim is wrong, but I know that won't convince anybody. Instead I can just hope you people keep me around longer, and focus your efforts to bigger threats to the town than a possible Serial Killer. I can elaborate more on this later.
Well, you did kill the Jailer which would have been a good thing to have around against the plaquebearer.
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