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Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Oh something I just realized, Era could be a Jester. As soon as Muntant flips then people would go after him. Though maybe Onjit could be too and Era is just executioner? That would explain Onjit's play at the end of the day yesterday.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Oh something I just realized, Era could be a Jester. As soon as Muntant flips then people would go after him. Though maybe Onjit could be too and Era is just executioner? That would explain Onjit's play at the end of the day yesterday.

this is blatant wheel-spinning from a panicked mafia lol

ie. its just throwing out so many hypotheticals to just confuse people more than actually help

instead of getting boggesd down in what is technically possible, we should focus on what is probable.

here are the facts:
1. era claimed that theyre the detective and that devle js the opressor
2. devle claimed to be the flag bearer (but also bullet proof) (ie. the perfect role to not get limmed)
3. althea claimed that theyre the sentinel and that devle is the flagbearer
4. onjit (thats me!) claimed that theyre the sentinel and that devle IS NOT the flagbearer

it might seem trite to list out what we already have heard, but i think it is important to consider what is more probable:
1. era and onjit are telling the truth, and we should lim devle (and devle and althea are lying --> mafia)
2. devle and althea are telling the truth, and devle just happens to have the exact role needed to dodge norbius's move, and also era and onjit are both lying, AND btw theyre both independent to each other and are both third party, unless of course theyre both mafia

honestly i can see how devle claiming flagbearer makes it a risk to vote for them, but that is why it is so blatantly false

even if i didnt have clear evidence that he was lying (ie. the real flagbearer's name in my role card), i would still not believe him for a second

All of this is irrelevant to me because I KNOW Mutant is town. I am dead tonight or tomorrow so wanted to make sure I put the possibilities of what's going on out there beforehand.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

I don't see it. The voteflip immidiently before twiligiht is the same yesterday. If they were an executioner they would have won with that tactic. Why could 't a gladiator? preventing them from declaring 12 hours before the vote is over would be much smarter than invalidating all the votes.

This is how gladiator always works. Don't blame mini and it's irrelevant since you ARE here to revote.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Yes, I am this time. But if this is expected I will simply throw the game because I can't make a 24/7 time commitment. That's just insane.

I really don't understand what you're going on about. The issue is resolved.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

The definitions Mini are using are common in the mafia world. If you play on any other site or any of the werewolf board games, majority specifically means majority of the players in the game not those who are voting.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

If that were the case then Marhmallow Marshall would not have died, but since they did I don't accept this explanation of "thats just the way it is lol"

Literally in the rules it says majority isn't needed for a normal elimination. I mentioned this before end of day. Gladiator says a majority is needed. Your failure of interpretation is no reason to be unpleasant.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

If Era's behavior the past couple of pages aren't indicative of him being an executioner, I don't know what would be. Sleuth has little reason to be upset in this situation since my flip will lead to the truth of the matter regardless.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

No, the normal rules say that the elimination does not occur *at the time of reaching majority* but rather on the end of day.
The only other interpretation you are suggesting that eliminations can never happen when a majority is reached, which makes no sense. A majority *was* reached yesterday which is exactly why the elimination took place.

- A lynch will not occur when a majority has been reached. A lynch can only occur when the day ends. When a day ends, all lynch votes will be counted, and whichever player was voted for the most will be executed after factoring in role modifiers and abilities. If you do not vote, your vote will be counted as !sleep. Players can vote to not lynch anyone during the day by using the !sleep command.

See the bolded.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

No, the normal rules say that the elimination does not occur *at the time of reaching majority* but rather on the end of day.
The only other interpretation you are suggesting that eliminations can never happen when a majority is reached, which makes no sense. A majority *was* reached yesterday which is exactly why the elimination took place.

- A lynch will not occur when a majority has been reached. A lynch can only occur when the day ends. When a day ends, all lynch votes will be counted, and whichever player was voted for the most will be executed after factoring in role modifiers and abilities. If you do not vote, your vote will be counted as !sleep. Players can vote to not lynch anyone during the day by using the !sleep command.

See the bolded.

Yes, the word "when" refers to time, not to a conditional of logic.
"which player was voted for the most" is the definition of a majority.

Nah. See the bolded.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

To be fair, I do understand the miscommunication if you're not familiar with how the term majority is typically used. So I do think it's a genuine misunderstanding.

Althea

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Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

To be fair, I do understand the miscommunication if you're not familiar with how the term majority is typically used. So I do think it's a genuine misunderstanding.

I am familiar with the term majority, I am familiar with severall voting systems, living in a democracy. This usage you are advocating for is just plainly wrong.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/electi … ty-systems

For the record, I meant familiarity with the term in mafia.