Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

2b55b5g · 2022-07-17 11:12:13

Norwee wrote:

I suppose the question then becomes: "Do we trust an outed serial killer to townside and not eliminate them" to which i bring forth an metaphor.
Do you trust an coyote to not raid the henhouse tonight?

eliminate if, N1KF = only person suspicious

N1KF

2b55b5g · 2022-07-17 11:18:14

N1KF wrote:

Era wrote:
What? How did you come up with that? No nightkill n1 because you were jailed seems far more likelx than a voodoo guessing that i should be targeted day1...
Or maybe the killer is an Arsonist, Novice, Simple, or they didn't kill night 1 to avoid leaving clues.

can criminologist investigate Zelda?

2b55b5g · 2022-07-17 11:26:00

criminologist is possibly unreal, ZB zbelieve zfor znow

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 03:56:49

can era investigate marten, overly quiet

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 03:57:56

send reads please marten

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:00:49

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

Norwee wrote:
AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
The no deaths is kinda funny, did something happen?
Only one scum player can technically make a kill. So it is entirely possible we have an no-kills scum team.
If that's true, does mafia even pose a threat to town? ^^;
If not, then maybe we should worry about plaguebringer then, if mafia can't even kill. How do we do that, or do we do something else?

▼huge

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

Era wrote:
https://i.ibb.co/V3DJTnk/mutantdevle-opressor.png
!vote mutantdevle
I didn't understand this at first. I think I sorta get it. I was confused why Norwee was susing mutant, and people saying era investigated mutant and found out that he's oppressor.
mutantdevle wrote:
This is literally the worst situation possible. I am very glad that y'all have taken such extreme actions without me even replying
I am a Coroner with the rolemodifiers bulletproof and flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Mafia doesn't even have an investigative role so it's not like you can argue that mafia is out to get you because they "knew" you were a flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Ok so consider this.
Minimania knows how to design a good and balanced setup.
Do you guys think Mutant’s supposed "role" would be considered good game design?
This could explain the no deaths from last night. There can't be serial killer unless serial killer attacked mutant. Mafia must've been lucky about finding out the town flagbearer because mutant claimed flagbearer after norwee declared on mutant and scum is trying push a lynch on them. But that'll only mean if Era is scum. I think who Era's alignment here needs to be further told. It's possible that Era is scum that is trying to make town instantly lose, and I don't want town to lose. Here's a scenario i came up with, Era is scum who shot a player who had basic defense and is trying to push lynch on mutant today because mutant has basic defense, to do that. They need to make a claim that makes it 100% convincible to town, Mafia Oppressor. Mafia know who mafia is, and since this is a semi-open set-up, Let's assume that, all other players are town and they basic defense like vigilante and just to point out, there are roles that exist that make a town role look scummy. I think norwee delared too early when day started, we didn't have enough information to what mutant is except era saying mutant is oppressor right off the bat. I think mutant's response is kind of strong. I mean, there's no kills last night and mutant was caught mafia while mutant claims attacked followed-up by althea supporting mutant's flagbearer claim and so far, there aren't any other sentinel claims if I read this thread carefully, sometimes I don't read carefully lol.
Althea wrote:
Yikes, this is a mess. Mutant is indeed flagbearer and I'm wishing Norwee waited for everyone to post before activating gladiator.
To be clear, I am hard claiming the sentinel modifier, and Mutant is a flagbearer

With the plagubearer in the game, I think having more people alive is better than not, so we should keep Norwee around which means sleeping today and hoping there's no powerful attackers that can bypass Mutant's bp.
N1KF wrote:
If mutantdevle is Oppressor, it would probably be a bad idea to keep him around because that means not only can he manipulate votes, but the extra night is extra time for Mafia to kill somebody (if they're able). Remember that Novice or Jail could have prevented Mafia from killing on Night 1. Or maybe they avoided killing anybody to try and confuse people.
Althea is claiming sentinel which is proving that mutant is town flagbearer. Flagbearer is already a dangerous role to claim with, I don't see a reason why mafia would do such a thing. Mutant can be scum ok, but this doesn't explain mutant being attacked which was claimed by him and the no kills last night. I don't wanna believe scum not being able to kill last night. Norwee, you said that there is no balance when town flag bearer has basic defense. What if I told you, mafia doesn't have a goon which means that the evil faction can't even kill, would you consider that balance? I think not and the only player who got attacked today was mutant whose claiming coroner flagbearer with basic defense. Think about it, if there is a Oppressor. That means there's a goon that must synergy with oppressor or else it'll be totally loose knots. Also, this is just Day 2, it's not yet end of the world yet xd.
Onjit wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
It might also help if we got claims from Althea and Onjit, since both of them are just claiming sentinel without much weight to back it.
i did say i would add more to my claim but you gotta ask reaaaaal nicely
Sentinel?
Norwee wrote:
Think about this. If his role is real, he can confirm himself as town because of sentinel. AND he is bulletproof. It is impossible for mafia to get rid of him.
The obvious solution is scum pushing lynch on town flagbearer which is actually happening right now. I take flagbearer with defense as host having kindness for town. I mean, it's even possible for mafia or even serial killer to get that clutch kill, and that clutch kill could have just happened today and you guys are making that happen by making a lynch on mutant. Norwee, I appreciate your offer and assistance to town but who are you exactly siding with? Scum or Town? It may sound like mafia can't kill the flag bearer who is town with defense and is using this opportunity to end the game but mafia can still win by majority. All it takes is not to lynch mutant who claimed town flagbearer.

defended mafia + mutant, sus

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:09:11

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
Norwee wrote:
AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
The no deaths is kinda funny, did something happen?
Only one scum player can technically make a kill. So it is entirely possible we have an no-kills scum team.
If that's true, does mafia even pose a threat to town? ^^;
If not, then maybe we should worry about plaguebringer then, if mafia can't even kill. How do we do that, or do we do something else?
▼huge
AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
Era wrote:
https://i.ibb.co/V3DJTnk/mutantdevle-opressor.png
!vote mutantdevle
I didn't understand this at first. I think I sorta get it. I was confused why Norwee was susing mutant, and people saying era investigated mutant and found out that he's oppressor.
mutantdevle wrote:
This is literally the worst situation possible. I am very glad that y'all have taken such extreme actions without me even replying
I am a Coroner with the rolemodifiers bulletproof and flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Mafia doesn't even have an investigative role so it's not like you can argue that mafia is out to get you because they "knew" you were a flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Ok so consider this.
Minimania knows how to design a good and balanced setup.
Do you guys think Mutant’s supposed "role" would be considered good game design?
This could explain the no deaths from last night. There can't be serial killer unless serial killer attacked mutant. Mafia must've been lucky about finding out the town flagbearer because mutant claimed flagbearer after norwee declared on mutant and scum is trying push a lynch on them. But that'll only mean if Era is scum. I think who Era's alignment here needs to be further told. It's possible that Era is scum that is trying to make town instantly lose, and I don't want town to lose. Here's a scenario i came up with, Era is scum who shot a player who had basic defense and is trying to push lynch on mutant today because mutant has basic defense, to do that. They need to make a claim that makes it 100% convincible to town, Mafia Oppressor. Mafia know who mafia is, and since this is a semi-open set-up, Let's assume that, all other players are town and they basic defense like vigilante and just to point out, there are roles that exist that make a town role look scummy. I think norwee delared too early when day started, we didn't have enough information to what mutant is except era saying mutant is oppressor right off the bat. I think mutant's response is kind of strong. I mean, there's no kills last night and mutant was caught mafia while mutant claims attacked followed-up by althea supporting mutant's flagbearer claim and so far, there aren't any other sentinel claims if I read this thread carefully, sometimes I don't read carefully lol.
Althea wrote:
Yikes, this is a mess. Mutant is indeed flagbearer and I'm wishing Norwee waited for everyone to post before activating gladiator.
To be clear, I am hard claiming the sentinel modifier, and Mutant is a flagbearer

With the plagubearer in the game, I think having more people alive is better than not, so we should keep Norwee around which means sleeping today and hoping there's no powerful attackers that can bypass Mutant's bp.
N1KF wrote:
If mutantdevle is Oppressor, it would probably be a bad idea to keep him around because that means not only can he manipulate votes, but the extra night is extra time for Mafia to kill somebody (if they're able). Remember that Novice or Jail could have prevented Mafia from killing on Night 1. Or maybe they avoided killing anybody to try and confuse people.
Althea is claiming sentinel which is proving that mutant is town flagbearer. Flagbearer is already a dangerous role to claim with, I don't see a reason why mafia would do such a thing. Mutant can be scum ok, but this doesn't explain mutant being attacked which was claimed by him and the no kills last night. I don't wanna believe scum not being able to kill last night. Norwee, you said that there is no balance when town flag bearer has basic defense. What if I told you, mafia doesn't have a goon which means that the evil faction can't even kill, would you consider that balance? I think not and the only player who got attacked today was mutant whose claiming coroner flagbearer with basic defense. Think about it, if there is a Oppressor. That means there's a goon that must synergy with oppressor or else it'll be totally loose knots. Also, this is just Day 2, it's not yet end of the world yet xd.
Onjit wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
It might also help if we got claims from Althea and Onjit, since both of them are just claiming sentinel without much weight to back it.
i did say i would add more to my claim but you gotta ask reaaaaal nicely
Sentinel?
Norwee wrote:
Think about this. If his role is real, he can confirm himself as town because of sentinel. AND he is bulletproof. It is impossible for mafia to get rid of him.
The obvious solution is scum pushing lynch on town flagbearer which is actually happening right now. I take flagbearer with defense as host having kindness for town. I mean, it's even possible for mafia or even serial killer to get that clutch kill, and that clutch kill could have just happened today and you guys are making that happen by making a lynch on mutant. Norwee, I appreciate your offer and assistance to town but who are you exactly siding with? Scum or Town? It may sound like mafia can't kill the flag bearer who is town with defense and is using this opportunity to end the game but mafia can still win by majority. All it takes is not to lynch mutant who claimed town flagbearer.
defended mafia + mutant, sus

if "huge" breaks alphabetical,

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:17:37

plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:20:25

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?

PB = safe, SK = threat

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:20:59

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?
PB = safe, SK = threat

big danger = pestilence

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:36:12

N1KF wrote:

It's far more likely the Pestilence will win than I would if I were a Serial Killer. It's simple logistics; the town should take out the biggest threat. There's a reason we aren't super concerned about the Mafia anymore.

unfortunately time = not enough

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:37:02

!vote Allen

i guess

N1KF

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 05:08:46

N1KF wrote:

This is assuming 2B and Norwee are the only Hammering player with a vote, because I don't remember anybody else.

im not

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 05:37:26

ShadowsEdge wrote:

As much as pestilence is a threat, pestilence cant rise until ALL players are infected, included deceased ones. That means we might not be in danger of pestilence rising right now. Furthermore, we have a decent lead of confirmed players: Me, Norwee, Onjit, Era (as stated before).
As of right now, leaving alive an immediate killing role (aka serial killer) is more of a threat than pestilence rising, as pestilence likely wont rise tonight, and if they do, we still have another night to figure things out. I think you know this, and that's why you keep grasping at any possible reason for another person to get lynched than you.
I don't disregard the sentiment that Allen isn't town-aligned, I agree wholeheartedly that Allen isn't town. The issue is that you took a statement to showcase allen's alignment as Mafia (which is a similar sentiment that I got, hence why I said earlier that Allen could be Mafia), and turned it into a campaign to suggest Allen is Pestilence without any evidence.
And I don't mean to downplay the threat that pestilence proposes, but also, Pestilence is easily bypassed by not visiting. By the time Pestilence rises, we should have enough information to determine who Pestilence is, and if we don't, we don't visit, and it prevents Pestilence from getting anymore than one kill.

exactly, thanks

!vote N1KF

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 05:42:15

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
As much as pestilence is a threat, pestilence cant rise until ALL players are infected, included deceased ones. That means we might not be in danger of pestilence rising right now. Furthermore, we have a decent lead of confirmed players: Me, Norwee, Onjit, Era (as stated before).
As of right now, leaving alive an immediate killing role (aka serial killer) is more of a threat than pestilence rising, as pestilence likely wont rise tonight, and if they do, we still have another night to figure things out. I think you know this, and that's why you keep grasping at any possible reason for another person to get lynched than you.
I don't disregard the sentiment that Allen isn't town-aligned, I agree wholeheartedly that Allen isn't town. The issue is that you took a statement to showcase allen's alignment as Mafia (which is a similar sentiment that I got, hence why I said earlier that Allen could be Mafia), and turned it into a campaign to suggest Allen is Pestilence without any evidence.
And I don't mean to downplay the threat that pestilence proposes, but also, Pestilence is easily bypassed by not visiting. By the time Pestilence rises, we should have enough information to determine who Pestilence is, and if we don't, we don't visit, and it prevents Pestilence from getting anymore than one kill.
exactly, thanks
!vote N1KF

unable to convey concisely because alphabetical

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?
PB = safe, SK = threat

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?
PB = safe, SK = threat
big danger = pestilence

2b55b5g · 2022-07-19 13:54:56

im just gonna say that i seriously want to be investigated because of how unbelievable my claim is if i do claim
i only suggested marten later because i figured that era wouldn’t investigate me

!vote Abiqi

2b55b5g · 2022-07-19 16:33:22

Era wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
im just gonna say that i seriously want to be investigated because of how unbelievable my claim is if i do claim
i only suggested marten later because i figured that era wouldn’t investigate me
!vote Abiqi
minimania wrote:
Arsonist - Once per Night, you can perform one of two abilities:
• Select a player to Douse (V).
• Ignite, dealing a Powerful Attack against all Doused players, after which all players are cleansed of being Doused.
Players that visit you are automatically Doused. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

i wish im arso

but yea fair enough i did see that coming, i can claim right now but as i said, it's not a believable claim at all, the only way for me to be confirmed is for me to be investigated (or have a vigi shoot me, which is unfortunately not possible)

2b55b5g · 2022-07-19 16:50:12

Era wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
im just gonna say that i seriously want to be investigated because of how unbelievable my claim is if i do claim
i only suggested marten later because i figured that era wouldn’t investigate me
!vote Abiqi
minimania wrote:
Arsonist - Once per Night, you can perform one of two abilities:
• Select a player to Douse (V).
• Ignite, dealing a Powerful Attack against all Doused players, after which all players are cleansed of being Doused.
Players that visit you are automatically Doused. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.

also, there's 8 people alive, we lynch abiqi today and there's 7 left. if im arso, i'll somehow have to douse 5 people in order to win. there's absolutely no reason for me to request to be investigated unless i doused 3 or 4 people on night 2 or 3 already, since i also requested to be investigated in the previous day. otherwise, im just gonna be lynched in the next day.
i dont think it's possible for the douse to spread by visiting an arso's target, and even if it is, unless someone visited me before this day, it's impossible for me to be arso.
correct me if there's any mistakes

2b55b5g · 2022-07-19 16:55:02

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Era wrote:
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
im just gonna say that i seriously want to be investigated because of how unbelievable my claim is if i do claim
i only suggested marten later because i figured that era wouldn’t investigate me
!vote Abiqi
minimania wrote:
Arsonist - Once per Night, you can perform one of two abilities:
• Select a player to Douse (V).
• Ignite, dealing a Powerful Attack against all Doused players, after which all players are cleansed of being Doused.
Players that visit you are automatically Doused. You are evil, and aligned with yourself. You win when there are none left to oppose you.
also, there's 8 people alive, we lynch abiqi today and there's 7 left. if im arso, i'll somehow have to douse 5 people in order to win. there's absolutely no reason for me to request to be investigated unless i doused 3 or 4 people on night 2 or 3 already, since i also requested to be investigated in the previous day. otherwise, im just gonna be lynched in the next day.
i dont think it's possible for the douse to spread by visiting an arso's target, and even if it is, unless someone visited me before this day, it's impossible for me to be arso.
correct me if there's any mistakes

i suppose if im arso i can just douse 4 people, keep the remaining mafia alive and hope they'll side with me. i have nothing to say about that so hopefully Abiqi's death will prove my innocence

2b55b5g · 2022-07-19 17:51:07

Norwee wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
also, there's 8 people alive,
*10 people alive

oh oops

2b55b5g · 2022-07-20 20:59:00

where is abiqi smh

2b55b5g · 2022-07-21 08:30:29

original rolecard if anyone is curious

Minimania, ShadowsEdge, AllenCaspe9510

2b55b5g · 2022-07-21 09:11:30

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Allen is definitely maf rn

top 10 predictions

2b55b5g · 2022-07-21 09:23:41

Norwee wrote:

I highly doubt any non-town role has any chance if winning at this point?
Is this even an game anymore now that there's no excitement?

2b55b5g · 2022-07-22 01:12:07

Pqwerty wrote:

Norwee wrote:
Are you from MU?
Yeah that's Illwei.

im pretty sure that's Lag

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#51 2022-07-17 11:12:13

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#56 2022-07-18 04:00:49

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!vote mutantdevle

#57 2022-07-18 04:09:11

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!vote mutantdevle

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#62 2022-07-18 04:37:02

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!vote Allen

#63 2022-07-18 05:08:46

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#64 2022-07-18 05:37:26

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!vote N1KF

#65 2022-07-18 05:42:15

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!vote N1KF

#66 2022-07-19 13:54:56

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!vote Abiqi

#67 2022-07-19 16:33:22

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!vote Abiqi

#68 2022-07-19 16:50:12

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!vote Abiqi

#69 2022-07-19 16:55:02

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!vote Abiqi

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