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#61 2021-05-06 14:33:29
Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]
Either someone is *really* good at lying, or there is only one mafia member left.
Through whispers, everyone has role claimed, and there has been some grain of evidence to back those claims. Except Allen. Well, I 2B as well, but I think I know what he was doing, so I'm not counting that.
This game has an unusual setup, so I think it's entirely possible that the mafia only started with two people. Especially since Norboy had the ability to convert someone to the mafia faction, giving them the normal three man team. Since Norboy died N1, he never had the opportunity to do that.
Allen claimed he was the Jester to Task, without any reason to do so. It was completely random.
Because there was no reason for him to claim as Jester to task, it makes me think it was a fake claim to avoid being lynched, since most people actively avoid lynching the Jester. And, based on everyone else's role claims, it doesn't make *any* sense for Allen to be the jester.
Task called out Allen yesterday, and now Task is dead.
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#64 2021-05-06 14:43:22
Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]
Or maybe my Survivor claim was simply not convincing at all lmao.
Well since you've claimed cookies, VT, and survivor, I'm guessing it wasn't lol
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#68 2021-05-06 16:44:46
Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]
I'm just wondering why Task never killed the Witch. Is there a Consort?
No, but the witch could have made task target someone else
Or task sucks at slaying monsters
I don’t remember who was claiming to be witched
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idk if I'm dumb for not understanding what you're talking about but, how does it not make sense?
Everyone who has role claimed publicly, or to me in DM, had some kind of proof; except you and Allen. I'm only giving you a pass, because I think I see what your plan was, and what you've told me seems genuinely town based.
Task is dead so you can basically just lie about that.
I could, but I'm sure task told Exo the same thing, since those two were talking a lot.
Also, I have no reason to lie. I'm only playing the angle I am because it's the least amount of effort atm. I can literally let yall **** this up and I'll just jump ship. I hate to frame it that way, but it's true.
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#74 2021-05-06 23:21:34
Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]
I think Allen's Cookies claim kinda makes sense
Allen didn't counter when you claimed cookies.
Allen claimed he was the jester to Task. I asked him about it and he said it was "to avoid being voted out." According to task, Allen claimed jester unprovoked. Task said Allen asked for "stuff" and then later claimed for no reason. There wasn't even a push to lynch him yet.
Task said it was "very strange" and wondered why the jester would ask for "stuff". Then he called it a **** fake claim. Later on, Task said he believed the mafia was between Kkay and Allen, and he didn't believe Allen's claim.
It sounds like Allen was fishing for info and then tried to plant a seed of doubt.
Then you said he made another unprovoked role claim to you.
It doesn't make any sense for the Cookie to claim Jester. I can't think of any reason why that would happen.
it lines up as to why Task didn't attack the Witch too
Actually, he did. I kept picking at Task to figure out his role. I didn't think he could have been the monster slayer because Orton wasn't killed. I even mentioned that to you in whispers.
Eventually Task told me he was the monster slayer, and told me Orton made Task stake me instead. He told me that he asked Mini if Orton would learn what Task's role was, and was told no. Task thought Orton would target someone else, implying he was going to kill Orton last night. But now Allen is claiming he was converted by Task last night. Task wouldn't have known Allen was cookies. Allen told him he was the jester, and Allen admitted that he fake claimed to Task. Orton has already admitted to being the witch. If Task didn't aim to stake a confirmed Witch, and instead aimed as someone he suspected of being mafia, he was borderline game throwing.
Task said that if kkay didn't flip maf, then allen should be the next lynched. Kkay flipping werewolf was odd, but I don't think anyone thought there was a werewolf in this game. Allen wouldn't have known kkay was the werewolf anyway.
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#75 2021-05-07 00:17:37
Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]
When did this happen? Was it in Day 4?
Task told me about it very early into D4.
Based on time stamps I would assume Allen told task prior to D4, or literally just before Task told me. At the time, no one had made a push for him. You were the only person to cast a vote for him.
True, but later he did tell me not to lynch him.
...yes. That's how this game works. He claimed jester so he wouldn't be lynched. But what you're overlooking is why he would fake claim jester, and then later on claim to be the cookie. It doesn't make any sense.
It's probably another self-defense thing.
Self defense from what? He wasn't being attacked.
but being lynched is still a possibility. It does make sense for him to claim Jester just to try and stay alive.
It doesn't make sense at the time it happened. There was no reason for him to do it.
The cookie is like a mix between the jester and the survivor. They want to be targeted, but they also need to stay alive. When you publicly claimed cookies, it was a bit early. Being this late in the game, claiming cookies gives you more of a chance to pick where you want to go without it being a blind choice.
But at no point in the game does the Cookie really need to lie to protect themselves. Once they are converted, that changes, but they aren't the cookie anymore. If they're going to be lynched, they can just claim cookie. Now every faction takes a shot to convert them.
Task would definitely stake Orton
I'm not arguing that. But Orton already controlled task. Orton sending Task to the same person as before is safe. Orton sending task to someone new is risky, especially this late in the game.
I find it likely that Allen turned into town due to the Witch.
I find Allen's story to be very odd, and full of holes. He is the only one, besides yourself, but again you're different, whose role claim doesn't make sense. You called me out because there is nothing to back up my claim. Just the same, there is nothing to back up Allen's claim. You're town reading him based on a speculation that an extremely rare event happened.
You're ignoring that even Task labeled Allen as scum.
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