Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

2b55b5g · 2021-04-17 20:35:09

Ooh, that makes sense. Also I was gonna say that scum might use Jester to eliminate a town but that might backfire, so that's out of the question I guess.

2b55b5g · 2021-04-17 23:24:11

Excoluss wrote:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I’ve never been jester but i’d imagine i would be very good at it.
The ToS had quite a nice Jester's tactic before it became overused. After the first night they kept saying "I'm Vigi I tried shooting x but he was immune". The thing about ToS Vigilantes is they can't shoot anybody on the first night - only on the latter ones. Basically such claim usually gave people thoughts that guy is Mafia or any other killing role so they were lynched

Hey at least we know that the Jester won't be that dumb!! if it exists in this game that is

2b55b5g · 2021-04-20 09:35:06

Well this is confusing.
There were 4 deaths, 5 attempted murders. Let’s look at the deaths.
Mafia can kill twice at max (Godfather + another mafia), I’m gonna assume that mafia did that. Who did the remaining 2 kills then? The only other roles who can kill N1 are, Vigilante, Veteran, Monster Slayer, and Serial Killer. Obviously Monster Slayer didn’t kill. Did 2 town kill then? Or does a Serial Killer exist?
Now some woman said that there was an attempted murder, so there are 5 killers, unless one of the dead somehow visited the Yandere’s target (unlikely but that’s still a possibility), that still means that 4 killers remain though.
I think a Serial Killer exists, I don’t know why would Vigilante shoot N1. But regardless I also think that a Town Killing role (either Vigi or Vet, or both) exists.

2b55b5g · 2021-04-20 13:42:14

I read the role list and the Godfather's kill doesn't count as the mafia's factional kill. (unless my memory goes wrong)

2b55b5g · 2021-04-20 18:14:03

i cant tell if onjit is joking or serious

2b55b5g · 2021-04-21 16:27:39

Onjit still can’t be sure that Orton is evil, even if he investigated Orton as a cop

2b55b5g · 2021-04-22 10:12:26

honestly whats happening

mrjawapa

2b55b5g · 2021-04-23 04:33:02

i think onjit is executioner or jester, though im really unsure

2b55b5g · 2021-04-25 10:51:18

what the ****
sure if there's no other leads then im willing to vote for orton
otherwise im literally not convinced

2b55b5g · 2021-04-26 00:35:31

Different55 wrote:

Not really. Killing Onjit (if he's a cop or cop-like) prevents him from doing any more damage. If he already outed Orton, the scum is out of the bag and killing Onjit only prevents further damage. If Onjit's cop, even if he was just hinting at it, I think that makes him the biggest target for scum to immediately throw under the bus. Instead it looks like they got lucky going after some woman. Unless I'm missing something, Onjit really should be dead right now if there was any truth to what he was saying
!vote Onjit

To be fair scum could’ve used some reverse psychology and not kill Onjit to trick you into thinking that, but who knows. some woman was quite helpful during day 1 and 2, and they claimed to be healed. Nurse can’t heal the same player twice in a row, so some woman was literally a free target for scum. I don’t see why scum wouldn’t go for them.
If Onjit is Cop, I’d really like to know who he investigated Night 2.

Different55

2b55b5g · 2021-04-26 06:17:27

!whisper

Minimania

2b55b5g · 2021-04-27 00:52:59

hopefully task isn’t an executioner and hopefully Onjit isn’t jester

!vote Onjit

goodbye!!

Minimania

2b55b5g · 2021-04-27 04:49:33

I mean sure it's likely Onjit is exe, but there's still a chance he's not exe and is trying to act like one.
I'm pretty sure exe can still win when he's dead, at least it's not specified that exe automatically loses if he dies.

If Onjit really is exe, why did he say this?

Onjit wrote:

there was nothing i could do dude
lmao good luck

Firstly if he was exe, if he knew that lynching Orton doesn't work, he could've changed his target. There is something he could've done.
Second, assuming that exe can still win after being dead, it's unnecessary to accept defeat and say that. We would've known that Onjit is exe after he's lynched anyway. I feel like what he said would make more sense if he's scum/Jester.

I think Onjit is either scum or Jester, if we don't lynch him today, if there is a Vigi, I'd suggest them to shoot Onjit.

2b55b5g · 2021-04-27 04:52:07

I'm gonna unvote anyway, I don't think we have much time though.

!unvote

Minimania

2b55b5g · 2021-04-27 04:55:52

Wait vigi is one-shot?? Damn.
I doubt vigi shot n1 though, that'd be kinda stupid.

2b55b5g · 2021-04-27 12:19:45

mrjawapa wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
I mean sure it's likely Onjit is exe,
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
I think Onjit is either scum or Jester
Which is it? Are you even paying attention to what you're saying?

I guess I worded it badly but I meant that Onjit could be exe, but I find it more likely that he's either mafia or Jester.

mrjawapa wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
Second, assuming that exe can still win after being dead, it's unnecessary to accept defeat and say that.
But if he's dead, he can't help the town.

Why would Onjit help the town though? So we can lynch his target?

mrjawapa wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
if we don't lynch him today, if there is a Vigi, I'd suggest them to shoot Onjit.
But...why? If he's the exe or Jester, he's not a threat to the town.

I say this because I think there's a chance that he is mafia, but if you guys think that he's not then it's whatever lol

2b55b5g · 2021-04-27 13:23:26

mrjawapa wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
Why would Onjit help the town though? So we can lynch his target?
Town promises to fulfill onjit's win condition, onjit essentially becomes a vanilla townie.
He could help one of the scum factions, but that would be obvious to the town, and he'd be lynched anyway.
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
I say this because I think there's a chance that he is mafia, but if you guys think that he's not then it's whatever lol
Onjit has played this game enough to know how incredibly stupid it would be for the mafia to start baseless bandwagon.
Especially since the mafia lost norboy N1. It would be wreckless.

That's fair I guess. I didn't consider that.

2b55b5g · 2021-04-28 14:34:58

oh
i guess we're all stupid after all

2b55b5g · 2021-04-28 15:45:40

why would he tell you or at least imply he's witch to you though lol
im kinda confused

2b55b5g · 2021-04-28 16:29:38

!vote orton

pls be evil

2b55b5g · 2021-05-01 11:00:46

Before you guys all lynch Orton, I have something to say.
I am Cookies, and I'll explain why I decided to claim.

Assuming there are initially 3 mafias (because it makes sense to me), there are 2 mafias left, so the game right now has 3 Towns, 2 Mafias, 1 Cookie, and 1 Witch (assuming Orton IS a Witch).
Now, you might be wondering why I'm claiming if the optimal play for me is to stay silent. Okay, if I don't claim today, assuming that the Witch is lynched today, 3 Towns, 2 Mafias, and 1 Cookie will remain at Night 4.

SCENARIO 1
Mafia attacks me, and I convert into mafia. Mafia holds majority and wins (3 vs 3 but mafia can choose not to vote).

SCENARIO 2
Mafia attacks a town, 2 Towns, 2 Mafias, and 1 Cookie remain. If I'm lynched, mafia wins. Of course, there is a chance that I won't be lynched, but is it worth the risk? If a town is lynched, town still loses, and I lose too. There is a 3 out of 5 chance that mafia wins in this scenario.

But hey, if the game is leaning towards Mafia right now, why did I claim and try to help town? This might sound stupid, but I think scenario one is unlikely to happen. Let's say that I'm somehow helpful and mafia wants to get rid of me, well, I think Task and Jawapa are quite helpful as well, plus Jawapa did try to stop us from lynching Onjit. Why would mafia kill me?
If I don't claim, scenario 2 will most likely happen, and I've already explained why this is bad for both me, and town.

I don't know if a Vigilante or a Retributionist exists, good if they do, but I'm still claiming anyway.
Anyway I have a plan, we try to find a mafia this day, and lynch them. If we really can't be sure on who mafia is, then I guess we're just gonna rely on luck lmao.
Idk if roleclaiming is a good idea for anybody else, but if you have any info, it's best to share them NOW.

Now, why should you trust me? Let's look back at the deaths at Night 1, Yandere, Milk Man, Detective, and Mayor died. 3 out of those 4 deaths are roles who can visit. Again, let's look at the roles that can kill N1, which are Vigilante, Veteran, Monster Slayer, Godfather + another mafia role, Yandere, and Serial Killer. Monster Slayer obviously didn't kill N1, if Serial Killer actually exists, I doubt they'll not kill during Night 2 and 3. The remaining roles that can kill are Vigilante, Veteran, Godfather + another mafia role, and Yandere. As I said before, 3 out of 4 deaths are roles who can visit, so I think it's likely that Veteran killed some people, it kinda makes sense for Vet to alert N1 as well. So what's my point? My point is that IF a Vigilante exists, I think that they didn't use their bullet, it's not wise to use their bullet N1 anyway. In a setup where Yandere, Executioner, Witch, and Milk Man exist, town was already in a huge disadvantage, I think it makes sense that Vigi exists in the setup to balance the roles a bit. You might argue that town is already strong enough when Mayor, Detective, and Cop all exist, but Detective and Cop can't really help us find who scums are easily, their results only give us insight as to who could potentially be evil. Maybe it's a bit too OP that both Vigi and Veteran might be in the setup, but Vigi is one-shot, Veteran's alerts can be wasted as well.

What does this all do with whether you can trust me or not? It's simple, if we do successfully lynch a mafia today, that makes it 3 Towns, 1 Mafia, 1 Cookie, and 1 Witch. Vigilante can shoot the Witch, then it'll be 3 Towns, 1 Mafia, and 1 Cookie. Even if mafia converted me, it'll be 3 Towns and 2 Mafia, you guys are gonna lynch me anyway. The wisest choice for mafia is to kill someone that's not me, and try to accuse me the next day (lol), then secure the win.

As long as Vigilante exists and shoots the Witch, I think town got the win in the bag. If somehow the Vigi doesn't exist, your best shot is to lynch me today (yes I'm saying this because it's literally impossible for me to win now anyways, I'm gambling on Vigi existing), and have the Vet alert, mafia has a 1 out of 3 chance to hit Vet if that's the case.

I hope the inactives can speak more btw.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-01 13:34:57

welp.
I guess I'm an idiot for claiming, I should've asked whether Vigi shot or not.
Gonna clarify something even though it'll make me ten times more suspicious, the whole Cookie roleclaim was bs made by me, wasn't really meant to make much sense when you think about it but I tried to be convincing.

I'm Vanilla Townie, I know it's a bad claim but what can I do lmao.

There are motives as to why I tried to claim Cookies.
So the situation right now is actually 4 towns, 2 mafias, and 1 witch. If we lynch the Witch, that makes it 4 towns, 2 mafias, surely mafia is gonna kill someone, making it 3 towns, 2 mafias. From now on everyday is just gonna be a LYLO.
Though if we lynch a mafia today, that makes it 4 towns, 1 mafia, and 1 witch. Mafia will kill, making it 3 towns, 1 mafia, 1 witch. Now it's not a LYLO, I think we win as long as we lynch mafia, since Witch can't really do damage to town unless mafia is alive. Another thing, if we're still somehow unsure about who to lynch the next day, we can vote to not lynch instead of relying on luck (who knows if we end up lynching a town lmao), giving us another day to vote.
Another motive (more like backup plan in case Vigi used their shot) was that if mafia decides to target me for the next night, at least they're killing a Vanilla Townie instead of a PR. Town would still be in the game as well as long as we lynch someone evil, it's just that we're gonna be LYLO as I said before if we end up lynching the Witch.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-01 13:36:50

I'm claiming VT instead of trying to keep up with my Cookies claim right now though because I realize there really isn't a point for me to keep that up.
The thing about me wanting mafia to kill a VT (me) is kinda stupid anyway and I rather stay alive and try to secure the win.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-01 13:43:59

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

So the situation right now is actually 4 towns, 2 mafias, and 1 witch. If we lynch the Witch, that makes it 4 towns, 2 mafias, surely mafia is gonna kill someone, making it 3 towns, 2 mafias. From now on everyday is just gonna be a LYLO.
Though if we lynch a mafia today, that makes it 4 towns, 1 mafia, and 1 witch. Mafia will kill, making it 3 towns, 1 mafia, 1 witch. Now it's not a LYLO, I think we win as long as we lynch mafia, since Witch can't really do damage to town unless mafia is alive. Another thing, if we're still somehow unsure about who to lynch the next day, we can vote to not lynch instead of relying on luck (who knows if we end up lynching a town lmao), giving us another day to vote.

To be fair I could've just said this without claiming Cookies, but who would care unless I make a claim lol, everyone is on about lynching the Witch.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-01 23:58:28

!whisper

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